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These Are the 381 Books Removed From the Naval Academy Library

Josie said:
I agree that it's smells bad.

We don't live in a time where we're unaware of anything that isn't right in front of us so I don't think anyone would be unaware that some books even exist. I would venture to guess that most people go to the internet for research before going to check out a physical book from the library.
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Why would they research the topic if it never comes up? Personally, I like to take a look inside a book to see what the writing style is like, and if it seems interesting.. I think they'd be much better off going to the library; Google 'books on racism," get a few billion hits, and then what?
 
MaryP said:
Why would they research the topic if it never comes up?
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Why wouldn't the topic come up?

MaryP said:
Personally, I like to take a look inside a book to see what the writing style is like, and if it seems interesting.. I think they'd be much better off going to the library; Google 'books on racism," get a few billion hits, and then what?
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There are numerous different ways of checking out books or purchasing books. You can do that electronically or in person. And, the number one way younger people find out about books today --- there are thousands of social media channels discussing books on a variety of different topics.

Again, that doesn't mean they should be removed from a library for adults.
 
Josie said:
Why wouldn't the topic come up?
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Not in classes, anyway. It's against the directive, isn't it?

Well we'll not solve the world's problems tonight, I guess. I'm going to bed. Sleep well.
 
MaryP said:
Not in classes, anyway. It's against the directive, isn't it?

Well we'll not solve the world's problems tonight, I guess. I'm going to bed. Sleep well.
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I'm half-asleep myself right now. :p Have a good night.
 
vesper said:
This is the easiest one I could come up with that you may understand. If your house is on fire do you care what the color of their skin or sexual orientation is of the fireman/ women showing up to put the fire out?
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Did you know that the African American firefighter could not get the job without legal action because they racist goons doing the hiring wouldn't hire non-whites?

Then the law changed, and he was able to get in the door.
 
vesper said:
This is the easiest one I could come up with that you may understand. If your house is on fire do you care what the color of their skin or sexual orientation is of the fireman/ women showing up to put the fire out?
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This has nothing at all to do with DEI.
 
No libraries should have books removed based on politcal or ideological reasons. This is outright censorship of ideas that a group in power disapproves of. In this case, it is flat out about government sponsored censorship. It is not about curating or any other euphemism meant to disguise what is happening. It has nothing at all to do with it being an adult library. This applies to all libraries. This is the stance of the American Library Association and it should be the stance taken by a government which supposedly protects free speech. But under Trump, right wing fascist ideology is the guiding principle in what ideas can be allowed in libraries.

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Loulit01 said:
Nonsense. The books were banned from the Naval Academy Library. That's a ban. Many of those books have been banned from other libraries. This is the government restricting the 1st Amendment right to free speech.

If you own a bookstore, you can ban all the books you want. But the government banning books is unconstitutional, dangerous, and leads to slippery slope or further restrictions on free speech. Turns my stomach, really.
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According to Google, in 2010 there were approximately 130,000,000 unique titles for books that had been published. Is it a restriction on your 1st amendment rights if the library doesn’t proved all of those, plus the additional books that have been published since?
 
bongsaway said:
That is not the point at all. Do you want your government telling you what you can and can't read?
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The issue is what books are available for selective reading by students at a US military academy. US military academies have extensive codes of conduct regulating every aspect of student behavior including reading material.

Slots at the US military academies are highly sought after. I'd venture the applicants are fully aware their lives will be heavily regulated.
 
Moon said:
According to Google, in 2010 there were approximately 130,000,000 unique titles for books that had been published. Is it a restriction on your 1st amendment rights if the library doesn’t proved all of those, plus the additional books that have been published since?
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If they are made unavailable by the government? Yes.
 
Luce said:
If they are made unavailable by the government? Yes.
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Define “made unavailable”. If a library doesn’t include them for whatever reason, does that constitute being made unavailable?
 
Moon said:
Define “made unavailable”. If a library doesn’t include them for whatever reason, does that constitute being made unavailable?
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In terms of a library, public, academy or other?

"Made unavailable" means intentionally removed from the library system as a whole. IE, not available at the library or through library to library loan when it was previously available. If was not previously available, you couldn't make it unavailable.

What the hell did you think I was saying?
 
Luce said:
In terms of a library, public, academy or other?

"Made unavailable" means intentionally removed from the library system as a whole. IE, not available at the library or through library to library loan when it was previously available. If was not previously available, you couldn't make it unavailable.

What the hell did you think I was saying?
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Just wanted to make sure I was clear on what you were trying to say.
 
Moon said:
According to Google, in 2010 there were approximately 130,000,000 unique titles for books that had been published. Is it a restriction on your 1st amendment rights if the library doesn’t proved all of those, plus the additional books that have been published since?
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You guys are experts at not playing on a level field and twisting the meaning of anything to suit whatever point it is you are trying to make. It's a damn stupid question and you asked it trying to be a smart ass.

Did you know ONLY over a million people died in America from COVID? Considering there are over three hundred and fifty million people in America a million is but a pittance, right. You folks on the right consistently deal in bad faith, like your statement.
 
i mean they were telling people they were going to do this in project 2025
 
bongsaway said:
You guys are experts at not playing on a level field and twisting the meaning of anything to suit whatever point it is you are trying to make. It's a damn stupid question and you asked it trying to be a smart ass.

Did you know ONLY over a million people died in America from COVID? Considering there are over three hundred and fifty million people in America a million is but a pittance, right. You folks on the right consistently deal in bad faith, like your statement.
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This thread has nothing to do with Covid, but it does have to do with people shrieking about censorship because a library removed some books that are still available. It seems the only thing that will make you guys happy is for every public library to hold copies of every single book ever published.
 
PeacefulWarrior said:
Of course people that have never read a book will dismiss libraries as unimportant.

I mean.....a tax cut for billionaires will better serve our children. Am I right? AMIRITE?
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Sure, because Trump equates a wealthy America with a few of his sycophantic donors becoming filthy rich while the rest of us get poorer. His promise of wealth does not extend to his blind followers who foolishly put him in power and who he no longer needs and never cared about except as dupes to be used to gain that power.
 
Moon said:
This thread has nothing to do with Covid, but it does have to do with people shrieking about censorship because a library removed some books that are still available. It seems the only thing that will make you guys happy is for every public library to hold copies of every single book ever published.
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It is a form of censorship as this library is being censored for political and ideological reasons.
 
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