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Theresa May to face vote of no confidence today!




You’re so far off the mark in regards to attitudes towards brexits it’s actually hard to read. If you actually lived here you would understand that brexit is unprecedented and you can’t look at it in such black and white terms. If May had lost that vote then there is absolutely no chance that a new leader would have been allowed to complete the process. The calls for a 2nd referendum are already pretty loud over here but if May had gone it would of been deafening. The sheer pressure from the public and the opposition would have forced their hand.
Also you might want to do some reading before you try and condescend someone about his own country. Here you are trying to tell me that Europe would have respected the vote regardless of the result whilst today the EU refused to renegotiate with May and the Irish actually went over the PMs head and tried to appeal directly to MPs to force a second referendum.

https://news.sky.com/story/ireland-...nd-appeals-directly-to-mps-on-brexit-11580093


This 19th century view on UK and European politics you have does not translate in this post brexit world.
 

I never disputed your analysis of the popular opinion of Brexit, only that any successor to Ms. May WITHOUT recourse to a general election would be viewed as "unelected" (that is to say "illegitimate").

Do you dispute the right of any political party to chose its own leader anytime it feels the urge to do so?

If Ms. May does resign, as she has said she plans on doing, do you say that the laws (written and unwritten) of the UK compel the calling of a general election?
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
True, I believe that the Gaelic term is "beagan a 'bualadh suas"



Would you trade them for Mr. Trump and "Team Trump"?
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f**k Trump and f**k the UK ..... Scotland's future is outwith this one sided union
 


Not immediately but I would expect a snap election to be called within the first 12 months similar to 2017. Brexit almost prevents the slow ease into a general election like when John Mayor took over from Thatcher and went over two years before facing an election.
 
Godric1970 said:
f**k Trump and f**k the UK ..... Scotland's future is outwith this one sided union
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You nationalists crack me up. Let’s hope you have a better currency plan than last time.
 
Godric1970 said:
f**k Trump and f**k the UK ..... Scotland's future is outwith this one sided union
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My family has the unique distinction of picking the wrong side in EVERY Anglo/Scottish war (admittedly they tried to avoid going 0 for 3 in the last one by coming out on BOTH sides).

I'm not quite certain that Scotland (alone) is capable of being economically self-sufficient at the "developed world" level - and I am positive that it isn't without membership in the EU - which isn't a certainty if Scotland separates and becomes an independent country - the EU likes to see something that sort of looks like it resembles an economy that more or less could be confused with a stable one before granting admission and an independent Scotland simply won't have one right after separation.

The fact that the odds are highly in favour (to the point of almost certainty) of failure, however, has never discouraged one true Scotsman (to coin a phrase?) - has it?
 
Higgins86 said:
You nationalists crack me up. Let’s hope you have a better currency plan than last time.
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Oh come on now!!!

Exactly what was wrong with currency named the "Haggis" (1 "Haggis" = 10 "Tatties" [1 "Tattie = 10 Neeps"]) that was backed by peat and sheep?
 

So why continue to pursue brexit at all?
 

you seriously haven't a clue about the Scottish economy .... we have vast reserves of untapped virgin oil and gas around our western maritime waters worth trillions and North sea alone has £1 trillion in oil and gas reserves, we have 80% of the Whisky market world wide, our computer game industry is worth over £6 billion a year is centered in Dundee with titles such as grand theft auto, our tourist industry is worth £15 billion a year to Scotland we have a £20 billion service and banking industry .... we have the potential to provide a massive chunk of the EU's renewable energy ... we have Europe's richest fishing grounds

 
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Scotland's (gross) GDP falls just between that of Peru and Portugal and its GDP per capita falls just between Lithuania and Estonia.

I don't say that Scotland WOULD not be an economically viable country, I just have my doubts as to whether it would be as economically viable as those who don't want you to bother to look at all of the facts tell you it would be.
 

I know what you said, my point is that making excuses for why you won't follow through on a referendum only means that excuses will continue until those who didn't like the outcome are satisfied.
 

Scotland's GDP per capita is almost double than that GVA nonsense spouted by Wikapedia

Scotland's GDP is not fully known ... UK hid our oil revenues as coming from a "Unknown region" that is why they say they can say they are making no money from North Sea while Norway is raked in over $100 billion extracting the same volumes as Scotland last year ... our exports that leave from English airports and ports are not included in our GDP .... Heathrow's 2 biggest customers are Scottish Salmon and Scotch Whisky and the UK's figures GERS ... says the English economy grew 69.7% last year ... we are now understand how GERS work .. UK receives £70 billion in taxes from Scotland and returns just under £40 billion back for Holyrood to run services NHS, Police, Transport etc and in return according to GERS the UK government spends £45 billion on behalf of Scotland hence £13 - £15 billion deficit included in the £40 billion returned to Holyrood is a budget for capital projects in otherwords all capital projects are paid for by Scotland and we also have to contribute to over £2 trillion in capital projects around the rest of the UK plus our business have to pay billions in service charges to the UK service charges in the rest of the UK businesses don't have to pay

when Scotland leaves the UK we will soon see who's economy is stronger
 
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jmotivator said:
I know what you said, my point is that making excuses for why you won't follow through on a referendum only means that excuses will continue until those who didn't like the outcome are satisfied.
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Well, I thought we were done with this, but now another thought has occurred to me, since momentum seems to be building for another referendum.

Would you support a third vote if the second vote overturns the first vote?
 
Disraeli said:
Well, I thought we were done with this, but now another thought has occurred to me, since momentum seems to be building for another referendum.

Would you support a third vote if the second vote overturns the first vote?
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I wouldn't support the second vote, I would support the first.
 
Godric1970 said:
Scotland's GDP per capita is almost double than that GVA nonsense spouted by Wikapedia
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I'll go with the World Bank data until someone comes up with better numbers than "No it's not.".

Godric1970 said:
Scotland's GDP is not fully known ...
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Quite likely.

That, on the other hand, doesn't actually provide any data and is merely a variation on "No it's not."

Godric1970 said:
Heathrow's 2 biggest customers are Scottish Salmon and Scotch Whisky
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Not really enough to base the economy of a whole country on - it is?

Godric1970 said:
when Scotland leaves the UK we will soon see who's economy is stronger
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Indeed we will.

BTW, the total GDP of the UK is around US$2.622Tr. Scotland's GDP is around US$21Bn. The English GDP is around US$2Tr. If we assume that Scotland's **R*E*A*L** GDP is three times the reported size, then that would mean that Scotland's GDP would be around 31.5% of the English GDP.

Should Scotland become independent, it would NOT be (automatically) a member of the EU and regaining its current level of access to the European market might take some time - especially if the then members of the EU thought that they could squeeze Scotland because Scotland had been economically cut off.

Not only that, but (again, should Scotland become independent) it would NOT (automatically) enjoy its current access to the North American market place. Regaining its current level of access to the North American market might take some time - especially if the then members of the North American market (read as "Donald John Trump") thought that they could squeeze Scotland because Scotland had been economically cut off.

It would be nice to see Scotland as an independent nation. Seeing it as an economically depressed independent nation isn't quite so nice.
 

Scottish GDP is £21 Billion ... nurse ... according to wikipedia 6 months ago when it was using GDP it said the Scottish economy was $250 billion .... Scottish Salmon and Whisky was an example ... the bulk of our exports leave from England and is accredited to England and not Scotland .... according to UK figures Scottish exports make up 14% of the total UK exports ... as part of the EU we will be trading the same we we are now WTO rules
 
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