There is still hope....

[Tucker Case]

He did let you pee on him

Yeah, but in his defense, he did draw the line when I tried to dook on his chest.

 

[Spartacus FPV]

Their parents....

You claimed that "too much entertainment is a problem" and the subjective opinion of parent's is your standard for deciding how much is too much? You do realize that the majority of "video gamers" do not live with their parent's right?

Too much of anything is can be a problem, but when you make assertions about someone else's entertainment of choice as being problematic, I expected something a little more concrete than this.

How many is quite a few? Is it a designated career field, taught in schools?

How rude and condescending... What was your point in asking me this, since you cannot be stupid enough to have asked it honestly?

Do you honestly think that anything that isn't a "designated career field taught in schools" is a failing industry? That people do not either derive joy, money or value out of them?

Good hand/eye coordination is a problem without games? How did we manage before games?

Did I say that good hand/eye coordination was a problem without games?

Tell me, if I were to tell you that Orange Juice was a good source of calcium, would you then ask me if calcium intake were a problem pre-oranges? Or if we managed without them?

How is the fact that we could manage without something an argument against its alleged benefits? I still don't understand your issue with games and skateboarding... But I definitely find your responses quite luddite.

Games are not the ONLY waste of time.....just the one being discussed at the moment. Want to talk about game shows and "reality" TV?:2razz:

How can an activity for enjoyment be a waste of time? Or a billion dollar industry for that matter?

No I don't want to talk about TV with you... Nor do i think I want to finish this discussion. You assert your value judgments as truth, and strike me as the type of person to prevent a child from having fun because you personally see no value in their activity.

Who are you to decide what is a waste of time for someone else? What would you have done about the alleged "video game problem?"

And if you have a hobby, how would you feel about a stranger telling you that to engage in it is a waste of time and money? Is JOY not an end in itself?

 

[Thorgasm]

Yeah, but could you have defended yourself from him?

Yeah, I'd just put my hand on his forhead and hold him back. He was short. :mrgreen:

 

[Thorgasm]

Are you kidding? IT couldn't have defended himself from that guys little sister.

She hits hard!

 

[Thorgasm]

Yeah, but in his defense, he did draw the line when I tried to dook on his chest.

You are a man of honor.

 

[UtahBill]

You claimed that "too much entertainment is a problem" and the subjective opinion of parent's is your standard for deciding how much is too much? You do realize that the majority of "video gamers" do not live with their parent's right?


Got proof of that? I doubt it...

Too much of anything is can be a problem, but when you make assertions about someone else's entertainment of choice as being problematic, I expected something a little more concrete than this.




Do you honestly think that anything that isn't a "designated career field taught in schools" is a failing industry? That people do not either derive joy, money or value out of them?



Did I say that good hand/eye coordination was a problem without games?

Tell me, if I were to tell you that Orange Juice was a good source of calcium, would you then ask me if calcium intake were a problem pre-oranges? Or if we managed without them?

How is the fact that we could manage without something an argument against its alleged benefits? I still don't understand your issue with games and skateboarding... But I definitely find your responses quite luddite.

Oooh, I am a luddite...I am surprised you know what that is...did you learn it in a game?
When kids are spending too much time on games and not doing their school work, it is a problem...

How can an activity for enjoyment be a waste of time? Or a billion dollar industry for that matter?
Porn is likely a billion dollar industry, I suppose that makes it wonderful in your mind, and hand.
No I don't want to talk about TV with you... Nor do i think I want to finish this discussion. You assert your value judgments as truth, and strike me as the type of person to prevent a child from having fun because you personally see no value in their activity.
Then don't finish the discussion, go to the skate park, take your games with you, and contribute to the billion dollar industry.
Who are you to decide what is a waste of time for someone else? What would you have done about the alleged "video game problem?"
And if you have a hobby, how would you feel about a stranger telling you that to engage in it is a waste of time and money? Is JOY not an end in itself?

As a parent, I will decide what my kids do with their free time. They can have plenty of fun, as long as they don't obsess over one kind of fun, especially any kind of fun that keeps them from getting the education I am paying for so they can move out of my house....I love them, but don't want to have them living with me unless they are gainfully employed and paying rent, or in college, or in some pursuit that is meaningful and life enhancing. All the games, skateboarding, tatoos, body piercings, dope, smoking, drinking, drug use, street racing, or hanging with unemployed friends add up to maximum loserville.....
Defend it all you want, you are entitled to your opinion, and I am entitled to mine...
Get back to me when you are over your period....

 

[Wessexman]

One might have less need of such training if one stayed out of bars...:lol:
A co-worker once told me how he got into a fight with a friend at a bar, both were intoxicated of course. I told him that I never heard of any good thing happening in a bar. He said he met his second wife in a bar, the one he was currently cheating on. I rested my case.....

I'm 19, everything good seems to happen in bars.

The problem is that in Sydney alcohol fuelled violence is becoming extremely common and going out on the weekend means you risk getting bashed or glassed or something.

 

[Spartacus FPV]

Got proof of that? I doubt it...

Actually I do. The Entertainment Software Association puts out a wealth of statistics regarding video games in fact. For example:

-The average game player is 35 years old and has been playing games for 13 years.
-The average age of the most frequent game purchaser is 40 years old.
-Forty percent of all game players are women. In fact, women over the age of 18 represent a significantly greater portion of the game-playing population (33 percent) than boys age 17 or younger (18 percent).
-In 2008, 26 percent of Americans over the age of 50 played video games, an increase from nine percent in 1999.
-Ninety-four percent of game players under the age of 18 report that their parents are present when they purchase or rent games.

Your preconceived notions about who is playing video games has nothing to do with reality, losers aren't the only ones playing games. Lots of people from all walks are, and the %'s are growing annually.

You didn't know the Nintendo Wii was a hit in retirement communities?

Oooh, I am a luddite...I am surprised you know what that is...did you learn it in a game?

Actually no I did not. Its interesting that when called out for being rude, your response is to get worse.

When kids are spending too much time on games and not doing their school work, it is a problem...

True, and if a person has their house in order and their work done, save the existence of another priority there is no such thing as "too much time" or a "waste of time" when joyfully engaging in an entertainment medium of your choice.

I wouldn't argue against exercising unless one chose to do it at the expense of a higher priority, for example skipping a day of work to go on another run. ALL THINGS in moderation.

Porn is likely a billion dollar industry, I suppose that makes it wonderful in your mind, and hand.

Sorry, but my mind doesn't work like that. Just because something is not a waste of time does not also make it wonderful. I for example have no interest in skateboarding, I simply take issue with your presumptuous opinion about the value in the actions of other people.

You sure have a lot of prejudicial pre-conceived notions about skaters or people who play video games.

Then don't finish the discussion, go to the skate park, take your games with you, and contribute to the billion dollar industry.

Who said that I skateboard?

I'll do as I like, as much as you hate it you're not my or anyone else's mother.

Tell me, IRL if someone points out how insulting you're behaving, do you also get worse with them and tell them to leave? I sure hope your children pick up on those kinds of values rather than wasting their time...

As a parent, I will decide what my kids do with their free time. They can have plenty of fun, as long as they don't obsess over one kind of fun, especially any kind of fun that keeps them from getting the education I am paying for so they can move out of my house....

That's fine, as I said, all things in moderation.

I love them, but don't want to have them living with me unless they are gainfully employed and paying rent, or in college, or in some pursuit that is meaningful and life enhancing.

So if they weren't you would throw them out? If they disagree'd with your opinions on meaningful careers or lifestyles? Wow...

All the games, skateboarding, tatoos, body piercings, dope, smoking, drinking, drug use, street racing, or hanging with unemployed friends add up to maximum loserville.....

Its interesting you lump all these things together as if they were vices, or correlative.

The most sucessful people I know, in my field (accounting) and in my personal life, do or have done almost all of those things. Except for unemployment and drug use, I wouldn't consider any of those "loser indications."

I don't know what your gripe is w/ tatoos, or drinking, or even having friends who are unemployed. I don't know if you've been paying attention to the economy but a lot of people, people who could not be called losers in the capitalistic sense were recently fine, and are now unemployed.

If you truly look down on these people as losers, rather than see'ing the economic causes... I really don't care who you regard as a loser.

Defend it all you want, you are entitled to your opinion, and I am entitled to mine...
Get back to me when you are over your period....

My period? How pleasant you are... I'd tell you to come back to me when you're less rude, but then it wouldn't be you then would it?

I don't know about you, but I'm more than fine. You're the one with sand in your vagina about skaters and super mario.

I'm not saying that there aren't stoned losers playing video games in their parents basements, I'm saying that they aren't the majority nor does playing video games make one a loser. Those stoned losers that do exist weren't made losers by their XBOX's, they were losers from the start who lost track of their priorities. Its the gateway drug argument all over again, marijuana doesn't make people try crack. You have to be the kind of person who is willing to try crack in the first place.

If drinking was for losers, then how many Fortune 500 CEO's are losers and how many are sober? It is in fact possible to walk like a duck, but still be a successful person, and thus NOT a duck.

 

[UtahBill]

Actually I do. The Entertainment Software Association puts out a wealth of statistics regarding video games in fact. For example:

-The average game player is 35 years old and has been playing games for 13 years.
-The average age of the most frequent game purchaser is 40 years old.
-Forty percent of all game players are women. In fact, women over the age of 18 represent a significantly greater portion of the game-playing population (33 percent) than boys age 17 or younger (18 percent).
-In 2008, 26 percent of Americans over the age of 50 played video games, an increase from nine percent in 1999.
-Ninety-four percent of game players under the age of 18 report that their parents are present when they purchase or rent games.

Your preconceived notions about who is playing video games has nothing to do with reality, losers aren't the only ones playing games. Lots of people from all walks are, and the %'s are growing annually.

You didn't know the Nintendo Wii was a hit in retirement communities?







You sure have a lot of prejudicial pre-conceived notions about skaters or people who play video games.







That's fine, as I said, all things in moderation.



So if they weren't you would throw them out? If they disagree'd with your opinions on meaningful careers or lifestyles? Wow...




I don't know what your gripe is w/ tatoos, or drinking, or even having friends who are unemployed. I don't know if you've been paying attention to the economy but a lot of people, people who could not be called losers in the capitalistic sense were recently fine, and are now unemployed.

If you truly look down on these people as losers, rather than see'ing the economic causes... I really don't care who you regard as a loser.




I'm not saying that there aren't stoned losers playing video games in their parents basements, I'm saying that they aren't the majority nor does playing video games make one a loser. Those stoned losers that do exist weren't made losers by their XBOX's, they were losers from the start who lost track of their priorities. Its the gateway drug argument all over again, marijuana doesn't make people try crack. You have to be the kind of person who is willing to try crack in the first place.

If drinking was for losers, then how many Fortune 500 CEO's are losers and how many are sober? It is in fact possible to walk like a duck, but still be a successful person, and thus NOT a duck.

we must travel if vastly different circles. I don't even know anyone who plays video games except for kids...guess the adults I know have other things on their minds...
and my notions about losers who waste their time is not preconceived, but based on observation. I have siblings who are poor, and find lots of ways to waste their time still, even in their old age...old habits are hard to break.
At least they have finally stopped asking me for money.
The numbers are small, perhaps, when it comes to people who reject education for entertainment, but those are the ones I call losers. They are in their 20's, no job, living with mom and dad, hanging with other losers during the day. Community college classes are available to practically anybody who signs up, but they remain children, dependent on others for food and shelter.
I agree that games are OK if they are not displacing important things in life. My grandkids get to play games, as long as their chores are done, homework is done, and grades are good. See, my kids are mean to their kids, just like I was to them. But my kids are college grads, employed, doing well, and somehow have no interest in video games, not that they don't find their own ways of killing time, as I do. Mine is here, arguing wtih people....thanks for playing.:2razz:

 

[Spartacus FPV]

we must travel if vastly different circles. I don't even know anyone who plays video games except for kids...guess the adults I know have other things on their minds...

Perhaps they do, the fact remains that your stereotyping did not reflect reality; Millions of adults in fact play video games.

and my notions about losers who waste their time is not preconceived, but based on observation. I have siblings who are poor, and find lots of ways to waste their time still, even in their old age...old habits are hard to break.

So you're taking a personal encounter with a loser, then using it as the basis to insult an entire group of people, and it doesn't even apply to the majority of that group. How is that not prejudice, or a preconceived notion?

If someone mentions "that person plays alot of games" do you not then jump to a visualization of your siblings?

At least they have finally stopped asking me for money. The numbers are small, perhaps, when it comes to people who reject education for entertainment, but those are the ones I call losers.

If someone is "rejecting" education for entertainment, you are right in calling them a loser. However if you assume that a person playing a game is doing it despite having something better to do, I'm going to have to ask you how you know that.

If you don't know their priorities, or anything about them, but presume to judge their character... you're the loser in my book.

They are in their 20's, no job, living with mom and dad, hanging with other losers during the day. Community college classes are available to practically anybody who signs up, but they remain children, dependent on others for food and shelter.

You have no disagreement from me, such a person would be a loser in my book. Thats a correct diagnosis, however an incorect one would be assuming that one is a loser because they have one of the symptoms. One can play games and have their **** together.

I agree that games are OK if they are not displacing important things in life. My grandkids get to play games, as long as their chores are done, homework is done, and grades are good. See, my kids are mean to their kids, just like I was to them. But my kids are college grads, employed, doing well, and somehow have no interest in video games, not that they don't find their own ways of killing time, as I do. Mine is here, arguing wtih people....thanks for playing.:2razz:

That's all as it should be, however you'd be hard pressed to convince me that debating online is any better (or less of a waste of time) than gaming.

It may simply be better, by certain standards, or to certain people. All of that being said, I've gotta stop debating online... I've got finals on wednesday!

 

[UtahBill]

Perhaps they do, the fact remains that your stereotyping did not reflect reality; Millions of adults in fact play video games.



So you're taking a personal encounter with a loser, then using it as the basis to insult an entire group of people, and it doesn't even apply to the majority of that group. How is that not prejudice, or a preconceived notion
If someone mentions "that person plays alot of games" do you not then jump to a visualization of your siblings?



If someone is "rejecting" education for entertainment, you are right in calling them a loser. However if you assume that a person playing a game is doing it despite having something better to do, I'm going to have to ask you how you know that.

If you don't know their priorities, or anything about them, but presume to judge their character... you're the loser in my book.



You have no disagreement from me, such a person would be a loser in my book. Thats a correct diagnosis, however an incorect one would be assuming that one is a loser because they have one of the symptoms. One can play games and have their **** together.



That's all as it should be, however you'd be hard pressed to convince me that debating online is any better (or less of a waste of time) than gaming.

It may simply be better, by certain standards, or to certain people. All of that being said, I've gotta stop debating online... I've got finals on wednesday!

one more step....go back to my post that you took objection to, #17, and read it again, without your own personal bias, IOW, objectively, if you can.
Show me where I used the broad brush and painted everyone with it.
Did I leave out the word SOME so you assume ALL?
Then read your response to my post and tell me you aren't being overly defensive, and insulting.
You have an excuse, you are very young, and live in libertarian fantastyland. :2razz:
Good luck on your exams. Gets lots of education. That and some common sense will likely serve you well....

 

[Spartacus FPV]

one more step....go back to my post that you took objection to, #17, and read it again, without your own personal bias, IOW, objectively, if you can.
Show me where I used the broad brush and painted everyone with it.
Did I leave out the word SOME so you assume ALL?

Go back and reread my posts, then show me where I have demonstrated the assumption that you meant "all." I am quite certain my position has always been that you thought it was "most" of them, and that engaging in that activity was indicative.

Then read your response to my post and tell me you aren't being overly defensive, and insulting.

People tend to get defensive when you insult their values. If I was insulting, it was in response to rudeness and presumptuousness.

What do you expect from people when you go around calling people losers who you know nothing about? Making generalizations that are not supported by the statistics of the group you have so many hateful preconceived notions about.

I know that I was being insulting when I was, did you? If you want respect, start giving it... If you think my standard operating procedure includes opening with venom, you should check my posting history. I only get nasty when I have to deal w/ nastiness.

Keep that in mind whenever you regard people @ skateparks "old enough to shave" as contemptible. You don't know these people, you could be looking at a CPA who shaves on the days he goes to the office.

You have an excuse, you are very young, and live in libertarian fantastyland. :2razz:

I think you need to go back and reread your posts and see if you can't find more passive aggressive insults like this one.

None of my opinions are a result of my age, people who think my age is relevant to the arguments I am making are committing the logical fallacy of appeal to authority (experience.)

And to regard my political ideology as "fantasyland" shows your utter lack of respect for it.... But what is worse is that when you said that I genuinely believe you did not know you were being insulting...

Good luck on your exams. Gets lots of education. That and some common sense will likely serve you well....

Its my last semester, but I will never stop educating me. Very little that I know I got from a teacher, I am an autodidact.

Personally no one can ever "have an education," education is a lifelong process and anyone who stops is already dead IMO.

 

[1069]

You didn't know the Nintendo Wii was a hit in retirement communities?

My dad's in his mid-50s, and he loves his Wii. Claims to be getting a lot of exercise with it.

 

[UtahBill]

notions about.

I know that I was being insulting when I was, did you? If you want respect, start giving it... If you think my standard operating procedure includes opening with venom, you should check my posting history. I only get nasty when I have to deal w/ nastiness. not true, read your first response to my postKeep that in mind whenever you regard people @ skateparks "old enough to shave" as contemptible. You don't know these people, you could be looking at a CPA who shaves on the days he goes to the office.



I think you need to go back and reread your posts and see if you can't find more passive aggressive insults like this one.
there was a razz icon behind it....do you know what that means?:2razz:
None of my opinions are a result of my age, people who think my age is relevant to the arguments I am making are committing the logical fallacy of appeal to authority (experience.)trust me, experience is a great teacher

And to regard my political ideology as "fantasyland" shows your utter lack of respect for it.... But what is worse is that when you said that I genuinely believe you did not know you were being insulting...
how many libertarians get elected?


Its my last semester, but I will never stop educating me. Very little that I know I got from a teacher, I am an autodidact.

Personally no one can ever "have an education," education is a lifelong process and anyone who stops is already dead IMO.

Very true, those who quit learning are also boring...:lol:

 

[Spartacus FPV]

not true, read your first response to my post

Is it? And who decides how much is too much?

I don't see whats wrong with men who enjoy skateboarding, in fact quite a few make a very good living that way.

Good hand/eye coordination helps in MANY other fields as well, and there are other proven benefits to video games and other forms of entertainment.

I just don't see what your problem is with them...

I have, and I see nothing insulting, where's the beef? Perhaps you should read your reply to that.

there was a razz icon behind it....do you know what that means?:2razz:

When you write your reply in my quotes, I see no icon; So no I don't know what it means. But please stop doing that, it makes it very hard to reply to.

trust me, experience is a great teacher

Experience is useful, but do not confuse knowledge with wisdom. To appeal to ones experience as a counterargument is a logical fallacy, simply being more experienced does not make you right. You do understand the fallacy of appeal to authority right?

how many libertarians get elected?

Do you think that is a point against libertarianism or against the system? Your logical fallacy here is called the appeal to population, the planet could be absent of libertarians; that wouldn't make a single one of its principles wrong. Or to put it simply, everyone once thought the earth was flat.

Surely popularity is not your standard for truth....

I personally was impressed with Ron Paul's performance in the primaries, and was surprised at his following. Weren't you? I mean did he lose a single debate according to the polls?

Honestly I don't understand why anyone who considers themselves a patriot (by that I mean someone who will defend the constitution against all enemies, foreign or domestic) could not be a libertarian. And I regard those the cop out of "I agree, but we don't have to go to extreme's" as utter cowardice. IMO everyone should be a libertarian when it comes to their rights, and their leaning should only pertain to their state.

I believe that because I was taught that the whole point of a constitution is that no matter what you think, democrat or republic or whatever, nobody has the right to vote away their rights.

I was in a debate earlier w/ The Silenced Majority about who is the real conservative, and his argument was that since I wont compromise on conservative principles, I'm not a conservative. I just couldn't understand that...

How anyone can knowingly support a violation of the constitution, for any reason (especially safety) is as unbelievable to me as the fact that well off people commit suicide. I can understand someone who just didn't read the patriot act, or doesn't understand the constitution, and denies the separation of church and state. I even think I can understand the underlying psychology behind the denial, but to know and still ...

Its one thing to claim that the founders could not have foreseen a given thing, like the internet, but its another thing entirely when you're talking about monetary policy that they explicitly warned against.

I think we should never forget the warnings of the founding fathers... please explain to me how that is "fantasyland." Because if the country were as free as I wanted it to be, I honestly think it would be a much less happy place, let alone a fantasy land. In fact I'm certain there would be more income inequality, crime, segregation, and overall danger; But I still want it.

Very true, those who quit learning are also boring...:lol:

If you've had one conversation with them, you'll never need a second.