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[Thorgasm]

There is nothing we can do about these mass shootings. Society has decided that they are acceptable. The only thing society can agree on is to pray for the victims and their families when they happen. And that is quite literally, the least we can do.

Schools have shootings regularly. We can have moments of silence, but that doesn't seem to help. We aren't interested in preventing it from happening again.

Even if we were interested in preventing shootings, the toothpaste is out of the tube. There are so many guns in this country, even if the government decided to confiscate them all, it would be impossible. And don't worry, the government won't ever decide to confiscate guns. The gun control debate is over.

So here we are. Mass shootings are here to stay. They are a fact of life, in America.

 

[Superfly]

Unfortunately, I realized this when 20 kindergartners were mowed down and nothing happened.

 

[Rucker61]

Unfortunately, I realized this when 20 kindergartners were mowed down and nothing happened.

What could have been done after Sandy Hook?

 

[Bodi]

This has been true for a long time now... all we can do is make shootings more difficult to pull off.

 

[Superfly]

What could have been done after Sandy Hook?

Oh, I don't know -- some kind of common sense gun legislation? Something? ANYTHING?

But no - instead of trying to make our country safer, we are going in the other direction, by trying to relax laws allowing mentally ill people to obtain a firearm.

Just what we need!

 

[VanceMack]

There is nothing we can do about these mass shootings. Society has decided that they are acceptable. The only thing society can agree on is to pray for the victims and their families when they happen. And that is quite literally, the least we can do.

Schools have shootings regularly. We can have moments of silence, but that doesn't seem to help. We aren't interested in preventing it from happening again.

Even if we were interested in preventing shootings, the toothpaste is out of the tube. There are so many guns in this country, even if the government decided to confiscate them all, it would be impossible. And don't worry, the government won't ever decide to confiscate guns. The gun control debate is over.

So here we are. Mass shootings are here to stay. They are a fact of life, in America.

Whoa. Time out there. New York enacted new gun control laws after the Sandy Hook shooting that had zero impact on their crime or incidents of shootings. They seized the day and passed laws restricting ownership of weapons that were not used even once in any of the over 1000 rounds shot in NYC in a given year. Connecticut tightened up its already strict gun laws which did nothing to stop then Sandy Hook shooting. So to say we cant do anything about these incidents...well...thats just wrong. We can ignore the day to day gun violence in inner cities that kills 9000 people a year and focus on the incidents that average 2 a year. We can focus on weapons that sound scary but are in reality seldom used in day to day criminal acts or even mass shootings. We can clamor for passage of laws already in place in many states which have had zero impact on prevention. We can ignore the reality of the ineffectiveness of drug bans and call for an implementation of gun bans which will not prevent people already barred from gun ownership getting weapons they are already getting. We can drag out the NRA Baba Yaga and blame them for all the evils in society.

Theres LOTS we can do about these shootings.

 

[Praxas]

There is nothing we can do about these mass shootings. Society has decided that they are acceptable. The only thing society can agree on is to pray for the victims and their families when they happen. And that is quite literally, the least we can do.

Schools have shootings regularly. We can have moments of silence, but that doesn't seem to help. We aren't interested in preventing it from happening again.

Even if we were interested in preventing shootings, the toothpaste is out of the tube. There are so many guns in this country, even if the government decided to confiscate them all, it would be impossible. And don't worry, the government won't ever decide to confiscate guns. The gun control debate is over.

So here we are. Mass shootings are here to stay. They are a fact of life, in America.

The Oklahoma City Bombing killed 169 and injured 670. Fact is, bad people are going to do bad things regardless of what is legal or illegal. Banning guns is not going to stop bad things from happening to people.

 

[Rucker61]

Oh, I don't know -- some kind of common sense gun legislation? Something? ANYTHING?

Be specific. What laws could/should have been passed in response to Sandy Hook, to what desired effect, and how would they be Constitutional, effective and enforceable? It's easy to say that we should have done something, but harder to say what that should be and if it would have done any good.

But no - instead of trying to make our country safer, we are going in the other direction, by trying to relax laws allowing mentally ill people to obtain a firearm.

Just what we need!

No, the GOP Did Not Just Repeal the Background Check System or Give Guns to the Mentally Il | National Review

 

[VanceMack]

Oh, I don't know -- some kind of common sense gun legislation? Something? ANYTHING?

But no - instead of trying to make our country safer, we are going in the other direction, by trying to relax laws allowing mentally ill people to obtain a firearm.

Just what we need!

"Common sense gun legislation"...Such as? Background checks? Registration? Calling for trigger locks? Waiting periods? AR bans?

Ah...the mentally ill. Is that who is responsible for this latest shooting? Is that who is responsible for the day to day shootings across America (why dont you address those)? How will you define and implement your mental wellness standards? In addition to barring gun ownership will you also bar access to children? Cars? gasoline and other chemicals? Pointy objects?

Promoting empty anti-gun rhetoric makes for lousy 'policy'.

 

[holbritter]

There is nothing we can do about these mass shootings. Society has decided that they are acceptable. The only thing society can agree on is to pray for the victims and their families when they happen. And that is quite literally, the least we can do.

Schools have shootings regularly. We can have moments of silence, but that doesn't seem to help. We aren't interested in preventing it from happening again.

Even if we were interested in preventing shootings, the toothpaste is out of the tube. There are so many guns in this country, even if the government decided to confiscate them all, it would be impossible. And don't worry, the government won't ever decide to confiscate guns. The gun control debate is over.

So here we are. Mass shootings are here to stay. They are a fact of life, in America.

I don't believe in banning all guns, but I do agree with common sense legislature regarding background checks and to close loopholes allowing anyone to buy a gun in venues like gun shows without passing a federal check examining their criminal record.

You need to concentrate on the State level. After Sandy Hook, CT adopted some of the strictest gun laws. Violent crime has since dropped 23 percent in Connecticut between 2012 and 2015, and from 2014 to 2015 the state saw its lowest number of incidents since 1967.

What Have We Done Since Sandy Hook? Four Years on from Newtown, Connecticut Mass Shooting


Federally, they did pass the Mental Health Reform Act of 2016.

 

[haymarket]

There is nothing we can do about these mass shootings. Society has decided that they are acceptable. The only thing society can agree on is to pray for the victims and their families when they happen. And that is quite literally, the least we can do.

Schools have shootings regularly. We can have moments of silence, but that doesn't seem to help. We aren't interested in preventing it from happening again.

Even if we were interested in preventing shootings, the toothpaste is out of the tube. There are so many guns in this country, even if the government decided to confiscate them all, it would be impossible. And don't worry, the government won't ever decide to confiscate guns. The gun control debate is over.

So here we are. Mass shootings are here to stay. They are a fact of life, in America.

Agreed. The least the NRA can do is build a really big ornate marble wall and place upon it all the names of the innocents who died so that others can live in a nation which allows these weapons and open carry of them.

They could call it the MARTYRS OF THE SECOND AMENDMENT MONUMENT.

Just make sure its really big to be able to fit all the names on it. And leave lots of empty space for the future cause they are gonna need it.

 

[VanceMack]

Unfortunately, I realized this when 20 kindergartners were mowed down and nothing happened.

What did you want to see happen? New York used that incident to pass new gun laws which have had precisely zero impact in their state. Connecticut already had strict gun laws on the books (and those laws were followed).

So again...what exactly do you want to see happen?

 

[Lutherf]

Where the **** do you come up with the idea that this kind of thing is "acceptable"? I'm so sick and tired of that line. There is nothing "acceptable" about mass shootings or even crime in general and no rational person (certain Twitter and Facebook posters aside) has suggested that it's in any way acceptable.

 

[Thorgasm]

Whoa. Time out there. New York enacted new gun control laws after the Sandy Hook shooting that had zero impact on their crime or incidents of shootings. They seized the day and passed laws restricting ownership of weapons that were not used even once in any of the over 1000 rounds shot in NYC in a given year. Connecticut tightened up its already strict gun laws which did nothing to stop then Sandy Hook shooting. So to say we cant do anything about these incidents...well...thats just wrong. We can ignore the day to day gun violence in inner cities that kills 9000 people a year and focus on the incidents that average 2 a year. We can focus on weapons that sound scary but are in reality seldom used in day to day criminal acts or even mass shootings. We can clamor for passage of laws already in place in many states which have had zero impact on prevention. We can ignore the reality of the ineffectiveness of drug bans and call for an implementation of gun bans which will not prevent people already barred from gun ownership getting weapons they are already getting. We can drag out the NRA Baba Yaga and blame them for all the evils in society.

Theres LOTS we can do about these shootings.

There are no feasible solutions. People wishing to carry out these heinous acts will always be able to.

 

[Jredbaron96]

Where the **** do you come up with the idea that this kind of thing is "acceptable"? I'm so sick and tired of that line. There is nothing "acceptable" about mass shootings or even crime in general and no rational person (certain Twitter and Facebook posters aside) has suggested that it's in any way acceptable.

Because nothing is done to stop them, at least in the grand scheme of things?

Thorsgasms main criticism (I believe) is how utterly common these things have become to the point where there hardly noticed. Did you hear about the shootings at Mattoon High School, University of Akron, North Little Rock High School, Tennessee State University, or Texas A&M University? All of them happened in September alone.

Thorgasm hasn't called for any measures nor offered any solutions. He's pointing out instead how despite the frequency of these events (far higher than any other developed state), long term changes on the national scale are rare. In a few months people will forget about Las Vegas, just as they forgot about San Berandino, Sandy Hook, Aurora, and so on and so forth.

 

[JANFU]

What could have been done after Sandy Hook?

What could have been done prior- some people do not even support background checks.

 

[Rucker61]

What could have been done prior- some people do not even support background checks.

How would a universal background check for private sales have affected Sandy Hook? The buyer passed a background check and registered her gun with the state. The shooter murdered her in her sleep and stole the gun.

 

[haymarket]

Because nothing is done to stop them, at least in the grand scheme of things?

Thorsgasms main criticism (I believe) is how utterly common these things have become to the point where there hardly noticed. Did you hear about the shootings at Mattoon High School, University of Akron, North Little Rock High School, Tennessee State University, or Texas A&M University? All of them happened in September alone.

Thorgasm hasn't called for any measures nor offered any solutions. He's pointing out instead how despite the frequency of these events (far higher than any other developed state), long term changes on the national scale are rare. In a few months people will forget about Las Vegas, just as they forgot about San Berandino, Sandy Hook, Aurora, and so on and so forth.

We just have to face reality here: some innocent Americans simply have to look at it like a victimized 'bitch' in prison does..... its your fate and there is nothing you can do about it so stop complaining and relax and let Master do his thing knowing he is coming back again and again. In this case, Master is the NRA and those who follow it as a religion.

 

[Grand Mal]

There is nothing we can do about these mass shootings. Society has decided that they are acceptable. The only thing society can agree on is to pray for the victims and their families when they happen. And that is quite literally, the least we can do.

Schools have shootings regularly. We can have moments of silence, but that doesn't seem to help. We aren't interested in preventing it from happening again.

Even if we were interested in preventing shootings, the toothpaste is out of the tube. There are so many guns in this country, even if the government decided to confiscate them all, it would be impossible. And don't worry, the government won't ever decide to confiscate guns. The gun control debate is over.

So here we are. Mass shootings are here to stay. They are a fact of life, in America.

These things happen where the toothpaste is still in the tube, too. Given that the weapons used here were full-auto and (I'm guessing) illegally obtained, you could say the toothpaste was still in the tube here, too. This isn't a gun-control thing, these mass killings, they're a 'America is too violent a society' issue.
There's lots that can be done, but it has to be done in the right place, trying to address the cause of the problem.

 

[Chillfolks]

Oh, I don't know -- some kind of common sense gun legislation? Something? ANYTHING?

But no - instead of trying to make our country safer, we are going in the other direction, by trying to relax laws allowing mentally ill people to obtain a firearm.

Just what we need!

We should cut off the trigger finger of anyone caught illegally possessing a hand gun. This makes it tougher for them to use a gun in a crime in the future. If they use the handgun to commit crime we chop off their hands. Make it almost impossible to commit future crimes, however second offense automatic execution. Execute mentally ill only way to insure they never get close to a gun.

Are these the Something Anything solutions you wanna see Or are you hoping for more laws criminals will ignore

 

[haymarket]

How would a universal background check for private sales have affected Sandy Hook? The buyer passed a background check and registered her gun with the state. The shooter murdered her in her sleep and stole the gun.

Why do background checks have to have stopped Sandy Hook for them to be a solid idea Americans want in their society?

 

[Thorgasm]

Where the **** do you come up with the idea that this kind of thing is "acceptable"? I'm so sick and tired of that line. There is nothing "acceptable" about mass shootings or even crime in general and no rational person (certain Twitter and Facebook posters aside) has suggested that it's in any way acceptable.

It's acceptable in the context of collateral damage. In order to keep my Second Amendment right, I am willing to accept that massacres will happen. My right to protect my family is greater than the few strangers that will be victims of these shootings. Those who sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

 

[Northern Light]

As I said in another thread, what we need is Federal level research on gun violence, but it's continually blocked by congress and pro-gun lobbying. Because there is no government data, we are stuck with biased research organizations, the media, and partisans to debate endlessly the root causes of mass shootings.

We can speculate and come up with some very likely causes (like psychiatric issues), but the fact is we don't know for sure. It's like nobody wants to know the real truth because it might mean some serious soul searching for our country.

 

[Rucker61]

As I said in another thread, what we need is Federal level research on gun violence, but it's continually blocked by congress and pro-gun lobbying. Because there is no government data, we are stuck with biased research organizations, the media, and partisans to debate endlessly the root causes of mass shootings.

Here's the data:

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2017: Data From Mother Jones’ Investigation – Mother Jones

 

[Northern Light]

Here's the data:

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2017: Data From Mother Jones’ Investigation – Mother Jones

This isn't what I'm talking about, and also this data is not from the government.