There is absolute proof that the DELUGE actually happened

[Allan]

anyone can stow animals on a Big Boat

The boat was about 1.5 cubic feet. Even if you stacked the critters on top of each other that's not enough room.

 

[Revelation]

The boat was about 1.5 cubic feet. Even if you stacked the critters on top of each other that's not enough room.

they were new borns.

the AI Bot says: 'Yes we can'....


Creationist interpretations argue Noah only needed to bring "kinds" (a broader category than species, closer to families or genera), not every species. This reduces the number to around 1,400–16,000 animals, depending on how "kind" is defined. https://www.perplexity.ai/search/can-the-world-s-animals-fit-on-YuP_bGEXRM.GhBU3SxFlXQ



blessings.

 

[Logician Man]

nor did she ANNNNOY other people who had visions like me and try to Embarrass them on these almost friendly forums.


please go away and watch some Crystal Vision tonight.

thanks.




blessings. July 9 and the new August 1, dig prep and pray.

Revelation said:


i don't think a Paddle would help this forum, even from a guy with the Strongest arm.

i have Resorted to distributing a case of Dunce hats and sending people off to the corner for a Long time. let yur parents deal with you all.

 

[LittleNipper]

You shame no one but maybe yourself, you sure give it your best shot though...

If anyone imagines I've shamed them, I'm sorry. Perhaps there was a feeling that what they believe has been rejected by me. However, just because I reject what someone believes or thinks is right, doesn't mean that I reject them as an individual. Again, I'm sorry, but my faith has to rest in the LORD JESUS CHRIST whom I worship (combined with the FATHER and the HOLY SPIRIT) and not interpretations by some organization that wishes to tell me what the Bible actually means according to their doctrine and interpretations. Criticism is never an easy thing to take.

Psalms 51:16-17 You do not delight in sacrifice, or I would bring it; you do not take pleasure in burnt offerings. My sacrifice, O God, is a broken spirit; a broken and contrite heart you, God, will not despise.

Daniel 7:9-14
9 “As I looked,

“thrones were set in place,
and the Ancient of Days took his seat.
His clothing was as white as snow;
the hair of his head was white like wool.
His throne was flaming with fire,
and its wheels were all ablaze.
10 A river of fire was flowing,
coming out from before him.
Thousands upon thousands attended him;
ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him.
The court was seated,
and the books were opened.
11 “Then I continued to watch because of the boastful words the horn was speaking. I kept looking until the beast was slain and its body destroyed and thrown into the blazing fire. 12 (The other beasts had been stripped of their authority, but were allowed to live for a period of time.)

13 “In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. 14 He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.

 

[Terryj]

But scientist do agree on a couple of great floods, the Glacial Lake Missoula flood about 18000 years ago. the largest flood on the planet, sorry Noah, this one is backed up by evidence. Glacial Lake Bonneville another great flood, again backed up by science. If you were in the way of any of these floods you'd be history, all life wiped away, even the bedrock in places was stripped away.

 

[LittleNipper]

Thankfully, this little guy and his mating partner made it just in time before the skies opened and Noah and his boys shut the ark door.

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You do realize that no sea creatures were on the ark to be saved. Genesis 7:15 Pairs of all creatures that have the breath of life in them came to Noah and entered the ark.
And GOD shut the door. Genesis 7:16 The animals going in were male and female of every living thing, as God had commanded Noah. Then the LORD shut him in

 

[LittleNipper]

But scientist do agree on a couple of great floods, the Glacial Lake Missoula flood about 18000 years ago. the largest flood on the planet, sorry Noah, this one is backed up by evidence. Glacial Lake Bonneville another great flood, again backed up by science. If you were in the way of any of these floods you'd be history, all life wiped away, even the bedrock in places was stripped away.

They were not there, and there is no way they can say with certainty that these events were not part of the whole. They do express their views based upon their view of the select data.

 

[Daisy]

If anyone imagines I've shamed them,

Oh, don't think for a minute that you've done any such thing because you can't...but you've certainly tried so don't say you haven't...

 

[Allan]

Or the ticks...or the flies...or the stink bugs...

And at some point in the planning someone suggested "hey, we should make sure to bring a couple of bed bugs".

Bed bugs. On a cruise!

 

[Tangmo]

the AI Bot says: 'Yes we can'....

Creationist interpretations argue Noah only needed to bring "kinds" (a broader category than species, closer to families or genera), not every species. This reduces the number to around 1,400–16,000 animals, depending on how "kind" is defined. https://www.perplexity.ai/search/can-the-world-s-animals-fit-on-YuP_bGEXRM.GhBU3SxFlXQ

blessings.

We know that everyone who died in this deluge is in a better place now. Liberated from the confines of their families and all earthly passions and hates. In Texas. Christians.

Ted Turner who people globally know as founder of CNN as the first 24-7-365 cable news network in the early 1980s once opined about floods.

Turner said God creates floods to rid all of the useless people while He spares the people worth preserving. Which sounds to me that we should rejoice in this rational and beneficial work of the Good Lord and God Almighty who created and determines all -- world without end. So it looks like these Christians who God HImSelf sorted out need to hail their God's good works that continue over the ages and produce God sent floods forever more.

 

[AConcernedCitizen]

You do realize that no sea creatures were on the ark to be saved. Genesis 7:15 Pairs of all creatures that have the breath of life in them came to Noah and entered the ark.
And GOD shut the door. Genesis 7:16 The animals going in were male and female of every living thing, as God had commanded Noah. Then the LORD shut him in

Dolphins, whales, porpoises, sea lions, otters, manatees and all other marine mammals have the breath of life.

 

[AConcernedCitizen]

Does the video explain how Noah managed to get more than 14 million critters in the Ark, how he fed them and what he did with all the poop?

God shrank the animals down to a microscopic size and gave Noah a convenient fanny pack to carry them around in. Obviously.

And the ark was equipped with an 18-inch window to shovel all the poop out of.

 

[LittleNipper]

Oh, don't think for a minute that you've done any such thing because you can't...but you've certainly tried so don't say you haven't...

Disagreeing is not shaming. And just because a person begins to see another's point of view, doesn't mean they lost.

 

[Daisy]

Disagreeing is not shaming. And just because a person begins to see another's point of view, doesn't mean they lost.

Disagreeing and moving on, correct...maybe you should try that...just sayin'...

 

[roguenuke]

So prove that biological life can be manufactured from inert substances. If that is impossible then GOD did it.

I already provided evidence that we have created organic compounds from inorganic compounds in labs. That is the basis of life. We know it can be done. We simply haven't been able to fully replicate the time when life began, the exact conditions. That doesn't mean it can't happen. It is simply a limitation of humans, who are quite young ourselves so we didn't have anything to do with it to begin with. The fact that we can make organic compounds from inorganic though is strong evidence that it is possible, is evidence to support the theory that abiogenesis is how life began.

Abiogenesis | Definition & Theory | Britannica

Abiogenesis, the idea that life arose from nonlife more than 3.5 billion years ago on Earth. Abiogenesis proposes that the first life-forms generated were simple and gradually became increasingly complex. Biogenesis, in which life is derived from the reproduction of other life, was presumably...

www.britannica.com

The main step is showing that inorganic compounds can become organic compounds. Once that happens, the rest is just a matter of conditions being right to bring those compounds together to produce actual life. But there is also a time scale issue because it likely took far longer than our lifetimes for these things to happen.

 

[roguenuke]

How would one prove a miracle? Do you feel that GOD never works within boundaries of nature? Is it wrong when HE does not?

That's the point. You can't provide evidence of a miracle so then your argument is a god of the gaps fallacy, claiming that if you can't explain it scientifically, despite evidence showing a scientific explanation, that it must be god. The biggest issue you have is that we can explain it without any god and you want to dismiss it only because you want to stick with your beliefs, not because you have evidence to support your claims.

 

[LittleNipper]

God shrank the animals down to a microscopic size and gave Noah a convenient fanny pack to carry them around in. Obviously.

And the ark was equipped with an 18-inch window to shovel all the poop out of.

The fact is that NOAH only needed to deal with land animals. Consider the following: https://arkencounter.com/animals/how-many/
As for tending the animals, what else did Noah and his family have do? They stayed busy and took care of the animals. Also since the animals were not running around seeking food, their metabolism slowed so they didn't need as much for energy. There obviously were insects on board the ark, and it's likely they also worked to clean up. The ark's window is now seen to possibly have been an 18" inch high vent that ran along the top of the Ark as a venting system. Here is why --- please consider the following in that reguard: https://apologeticspress.org/the-window-of-the-ark-1466/
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[roguenuke]

The ocean is concentrated water ------- where is the heat problem? As water washes over various areas at different times, by tsunami, I would be surprised that there would be uniformity from one location to the next. In some location the terraferma would be already underwater and in other locations it would face scouring by tsunami ...

The heat problem is not simply a few degrees difference on a thermometer. We are talking enough generated heat to cause the oceans to boil away almost instantly. All living matter to be destroyed.

Flaws in a Young-Earth Cooling Mechanism | National Center for Science Education

Modern young-earth creationist theories invoke huge quantities of heat — enough to boil most of the oceans and melt the earth's rocks.

ncse.ngo

10^28 Joules of heat is far more than you are attempting to describe it as.

 

[roguenuke]

The fact is that NOAH only needed to deal with land animals. Consider the following: https://arkencounter.com/animals/how-many/
As for tending the animals, what else did Noah and his family have do? They stayed busy and took care of the animals. Also since the animals were not running around seeking food, their metabolism slowed so they didn't need as much for energy. There obviously were insects on board the ark, and it's likely they also worked to clean up. The ark's window is now seen to possibly have been an 18" inch high and that these ran along the top of the Ark as a venting system. Here is why --- please consider the following in that reguard: https://apologeticspress.org/the-window-of-the-ark-1466/
.

It takes several manhours per day to properly care for each animal type, even as babies. You can't simply leave them to their own devices while on a ship. And just shoveling feces alone for an elephant would take hours. That's not counting the many other types of species. And no, it doesn't matter if you make them babies, since that requires more care just in a different way and would lead to questions about how they survived on their own afterwards.

And no, the venting would not work.

Did you know that they didn't put a petting zoo into the Ark Encounter because the amount of ventilation they would have needed would have been immense?

 

[LittleNipper]

That's the point. You can't provide evidence of a miracle so then your argument is a god of the gaps fallacy, claiming that if you can't explain it scientifically, despite evidence showing a scientific explanation, that it must be god. The biggest issue you have is that we can explain it without any god and you want to dismiss it only because you want to stick with your beliefs, not because you have evidence to support your claims.

But to make up a probability that sounds "natural" or "logical" enough may just as well be a big lie. You cannot explain everything with proof, anymore than I can explain everything with proof. Sometimes one needs to simply say "I don't know and realize that GOD does some things we cannot fully understand. That isn't a terrible. However, disregarding GOD to hear oneself think up anything other than divine intervention is inherently evil and really doesn't answer the question honestly.

 

[Allan]

The boat was about 1.5 cubic feet. Even if you stacked the critters on top of each other that's not enough room.

Correction on this: I meant 1.5 million square feet.

So it works out to 9 critters per square foot.

 

[roguenuke]

But scientist do agree on a couple of great floods, the Glacial Lake Missoula flood about 18000 years ago. the largest flood on the planet, sorry Noah, this one is backed up by evidence. Glacial Lake Bonneville another great flood, again backed up by science. If you were in the way of any of these floods you'd be history, all life wiped away, even the bedrock in places was stripped away.

There is evidence of massive, cyclic flooding of Rocky Mountain region of the US, from Canada down to Mexico that occurs about once every 5k to 7k years. It also appears to alternate between salt water and fresh water flooding. Fossil Butte in Wyoming has some amazing layering of fossils that show these different layers of salt water, land, fresh water, then land again life.

 

[roguenuke]

But to make up a probability that sounds "natural" or "logical" enough may just as well be a big lie. You cannot explain everything with proof, anymore than I can explain everything with proof. Sometimes one needs to simply say "I don't know and realize that GOD does some things we cannot fully understand. That isn't a terrible. However, disregarding GOD to hear oneself think up anything other than divine intervention is inherently evil and really doesn't answer the question honestly.

No. It is easier to see than "god did it" when you care about the actual evidence.

I don't need to explain everything to simply not fill in the gaps with a god. I'm perfectly comfortable saying I don't know, without having to make something up.

 

[Revelation]

God shrank the animals down to a microscopic size and gave Noah a convenient fanny pack to carry them around in. Obviously.

And the ark was equipped with an 18-inch window to shovel all the poop out of.

good one AConcerned, at least yur thinking Creatively, which is way above par for most Atheists that visit here.

we don't know how Noah and God did things: they just got the Job done. Job number one is getting the Job done in Life that God has for you. yur first Job is to repent and believe.

you can start in a variety of ways, i suggest a Mourner's Bench and cry out to God until he responds. grab yur bible each day and encourage the Christians; find a real Bible church and a ministry to help out in.

i wouldn't worry about Noah's Ark, best to worry about yur own Ark.

this is July 9, get out and do Something, prepare getting out in the Rapture with us. it probably be here this year, maybe September during the feast of Trumpets.


blessings, July 9 = Beans Bibles and bullets.

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[LittleNipper]

The heat problem is not simply a few degrees difference on a thermometer. We are talking enough generated heat to cause the oceans to boil away almost instantly. All living matter to be destroyed.

Flaws in a Young-Earth Cooling Mechanism | National Center for Science Education

Modern young-earth creationist theories invoke huge quantities of heat — enough to boil most of the oceans and melt the earth's rocks.

ncse.ngo

10^28 Joules of heat is far more than you are attempting to describe it as.

I feel that much of the earth's surface was like mud. And yes, there are area's that bucked up and formed the Alps, but this didn't occur all at the same time. Interestingly, the Bible does say that there was a strong wind that dried out the land surfaces. I'm sure this had a cooling affect. You have a good point, but you really cannot say with absolute certainty what would happen. Woulda, coulda, shoulda, are not absolutes! Some day I'd love to talk to Noah, and perhaps I will...

Genesis 8 1But God remembered Noah and all the wild animals and the livestock that were with him in the ark, and he sent a wind over the earth, and the waters receded. Now the springs of the deep and the floodgates of the heavens had been closed, and the rain had stopped falling from the sky.