Then there's THIS...

[Bassman]

How is an ideology that has been in place in the US since the 1930s, and practiced by every developed nation in the world warped. To be fair to your thesis, I believe that benefits should be earned whenever possible. But th right seems to focus on benefits to the poorer among us, ignoring other welfare-like benefits provided those at the top. Makes sense, as the right tends to represent those at the top with a "trickle down" economic analysis, sort of in line with their view that "I must be moral, after all I have more." The left tends to represent those at the bottom with a "percolate up" view.

Percolate up? HAHAHA. Meanwhile, you believe that no business should ever make a profit, that they should just barely break even.

 

[Questerr]

-II Thessalonians 3:10-12. Even Scripture commands that people be productive and not rely on the government. : "For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: 'If am man will not work, he shall not eat'. We hear that some among you are idle. They are not busy, but busybodies. Such people we command and urge in the Lord Jesus Christ to settle down and earn the bread they eat" Some translations interpret the second part of the rule as "NEITHER should he eat". Basically, this has been my reasoning AGAINST unconstitutional welfare programs that allow able bodied people to milk the system for everything they got.

Cool, if we're going to integrate scriptural doctrines in law, how about Deuteronomy 15:1?

BTW, do you think the Bible defines what is Constitutional?

 

[Kiwimac]

We do not rely on Paul for our secular laws. Compassionate nations put in place welfare laws because we recognise that sometimes life is unfair and that from time to time we all need help. Note, here I am not mentioning those who are unable to work or who are the working poor.

 

[Yakshi]

These Trump supporters have been so completely misled.

 

[Nickyjo]

Percolate up? HAHAHA. Meanwhile, you believe that no business should ever make a profit, that they should just barely break even.

Not at all. Businesses make more profits and often create more jobs. Workers get raises, spend money and create more jobs. Just explaining the different economic theories, both valid to a certain extent, and both reflecting the interests of the different classes.

 

[Luce]

How is an ideology that has been in place in the US since the 1930s, and practiced by every developed nation in the world warped. To be fair to your thesis, I believe that benefits should be earned whenever possible. But th right seems to focus on benefits to the poorer among us, ignoring other welfare-like benefits provided those at the top. Makes sense, as the right tends to represent those at the top with a "trickle down" economic analysis, sort of in line with their view that "I must be moral, after all I have more." The left tends to represent those at the bottom with a "percolate up" view.

Prosperity doctrine goes all the way back to John Calvin. "I am of the elect, therefore God likes me and I get all the stuff. The poor are not of the elect, and will burn forever."

Pretty much the exact opposite of what Jesus had to say.

 

[Captain America]

-II Thessalonians 3:10-12. Even Scripture commands that people be productive and not rely on the government. : "For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: 'If am man will not work, he shall not eat'. We hear that some among you are idle. They are not busy, but busybodies. Such people we command and urge in the Lord Jesus Christ to settle down and earn the bread they eat" Some translations interpret the second part of the rule as "NEITHER should he eat". Basically, this has been my reasoning AGAINST unconstitutional welfare programs that allow able bodied people to milk the system for everything they got.

Ahhhh.... so you're an old testament kinda guy, huh?

I must admit, it is tempting. Where else would we be justified stoning our smart-ass teenager's to death?

Yeah, let's just go with the old testament and piss on what Jesus tells us to do. Right? I'm with ya Bassman.

[/sarcasm]

 

[bullseyelqcs]

Percolate up? HAHAHA. Meanwhile, you believe that no business should ever make a profit, that they should just barely break even.

Horsefeathers.

There IS, however, a point where you give advantages to businesses in the name of furthering those around them, and when they don't use those advantages for those reasons, its fair to question why we should continue to give those advantages in the first place.

 

[Bassman]

Horsefeathers.

There IS, however, a point where you give advantages to businesses in the name of furthering those around them, and when they don't use those advantages for those reasons, its fair to question why we should continue to give those advantages in the first place.

So just tax them into oblivion, amirite? Typical Communist.

 

[Bassman]

Ahhhh.... so you're an old testament kinda guy, huh?

I must admit, it is tempting. Where else would we be justified stoning our smart-ass teenager's to death?

Yeah, let's just go with the old testament and piss on what Jesus tells us to do. Right? I'm with ya Bassman.

[/sarcasm]

OT? Uhh II Thessalonians is NT. Part of the Pauline Epistles.

 

[can2man]

Tired, dated argument - most people just want to live a life with dignity and inclusion.
More than enough to go around.

 

[bullseyelqcs]

So just tax them into oblivion, amirite? Typical Communist.

See, that is how far we have gotten off track.

Removing the tax breaks that they aren't properly using is not "taxing them into oblivion". You know how you get to keep those tax breaks? Hire more people and raise wages, not continually buy back stock, which wasn't the reason those breaks were given.

In much the same way people bitch about welfare queens with Escalades and Jordans and Iphones needing to be kicked off welfare, I'm simply saying that those not using tax breaks for the purpose those breaks were given for should also stop receiveing them.

Its not communist.....its a goose/gander thing. The majority of people are against socialism unless that socialism benefits them.....then they can contort themselves into any form of pretzel trying to justify why THAT socialism is good....or even better, why its not socialism at all.

 

[Captain America]

OT? Uhh II Thessalonians is NT. Part of the Pauline Epistles.

Oh.

Damn.

At least I got the bible part, right? It's in the Bible right? So many Holy Writings. I haven't even read the Quran yet so I still have much to read in God's library. So many Gods and Prophets and religions these days, it's just hard to keep up. It's next door to Corinthians Two, right? Not Deuteronomy? Same book though, right?

 

[Irwin Corey]

They have to reassess their priorities.

How about the people that don't work and have so god damn much they don't know what to do with it because they've bought the government and rely on it to do their bidding so they can get ever more wealthy?

 

[bullseyelqcs]

How about the people that don't work and have so god damn much they don't know what to do with it because they've bought the government and rely on it to do their bidding so they can get ever more wealthy?

Thats different.

 

[Bassman]

How about the people that don't work and have so god damn much they don't know what to do with it because they've bought the government and rely on it to do their bidding so they can get ever more wealthy?

Your class envy is showing. It is NOT the job of the wealthy to take care of anyone else. I will never begrudge anyone their fortune, why should you? Unless of course you would be a far Left Marxist.

 

[D_NATURED]

-II Thessalonians 3:10-12. Even Scripture commands that people be productive and not rely on the government. : "For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: 'If am man will not work, he shall not eat'. We hear that some among you are idle. They are not busy, but busybodies. Such people we command and urge in the Lord Jesus Christ to settle down and earn the bread they eat" Some translations interpret the second part of the rule as "NEITHER should he eat". Basically, this has been my reasoning AGAINST unconstitutional welfare programs that allow able bodied people to milk the system for everything they got.

What about the George Ws of the world who are morons that happen to be from a wealthy family? What about the trust fund losers who've never worked a day in their lives?

You don't value work, you value wealth. Quit worrying about the constitution if the ****ing Bible is your source of inspiration. Jesus never asked a sick, blind or poor individual what they did to earn his help. You're exactly what Jesus hated.

 

[Bassman]

What about the George Ws of the world who are morons that happen to be from a wealthy family? What about the trust fund losers who've never worked a day in their lives?

You don't value work, you value wealth. Quit worrying about the constitution if the ****ing Bible is your source of inspiration. Jesus never asked a sick, blind or poor individual what they did to earn his help. You're exactly what Jesus hated.

See above post for my universal answer against class envy. Christ never commanded His disciples to be dirt poor either.

 

[Irwin Corey]

Your class envy is showing. It is NOT the job of the wealthy to take care of anyone else. I will never begrudge anyone their fortune, why should you? Unless of course you would be a far Left Marxist.

No, it's not envy, I have lived a life of abundance, I envy no one. My post is about the unfair advantages the wealth obtain by using their wealth to buy politicians that do their bidding and pass laws that work in their favor. It is the wealthy's "job" to pay their fair share, since Regan's trickle down - voodoo economics they haven't been. Wealth has, in fact, trickled up and left many AmeriCANs behind and the middle class, the econimic engine that made America Great, is disapearing.

 

[Irwin Corey]

Thats different.

Yes, it's very different. There is a small wealthy class that has bennifited greatly for two generations by laws the have gutted the progress the working man had bennifited from post WW II. Jobs were shipped overseas, unions we eviserated, taxes on the wealthy were cut in, over, half and social safty nets disappeared. All the while the wealthy have increased their wealth greatly because of the favors they have bought from politicians.

 

[Guyzilla]

See above post for my universal answer against class envy. Christ never commanded His disciples to be dirt poor either.

Christ demanded that they DIE. Horrible painful deaths. I think that is worse than poor. How much WORk do you think Jesus did? What did he wash dishes? Build a wood deck? Childcare? No, he did a little pep talk, and expected dinner. For all. They were hippie layabouts. Liberals.

Jesus took them from REAL work, as fishermen and such. To follow him and party. Your depiction is faulty.

 

[Grand Mal]

-II Thessalonians 3:10-12. Even Scripture commands that people be productive and not rely on the government. : "For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: 'If am man will not work, he shall not eat'. We hear that some among you are idle. They are not busy, but busybodies. Such people we command and urge in the Lord Jesus Christ to settle down and earn the bread they eat" Some translations interpret the second part of the rule as "NEITHER should he eat". Basically, this has been my reasoning AGAINST unconstitutional welfare programs that allow able bodied people to milk the system for everything they got.

You really don't want to open that can of worms. The best outcome for you would be being shown to be a shameless cherry-picker.

 

[Grand Mal]

Uhh I gave specific chapter and verse. Even Christ commanded us to be productive and yield results (Parable of the Talents). But you love to cherry pick Scripture that best serves your warped ideology.

You really don't see any irony here?

 

[Guyzilla]

See above post for my universal answer against class envy. Christ never commanded His disciples to be dirt poor either.

It doesnt make you morally superior, to root for the rich. They dont need anyone rooting. But, our culture is enthralled by the rich.

Lifestyles of The Rich and Famous with Robin Leach, from 1993 - YouTube

 

[Grand Mal]

OT? Uhh II Thessalonians is NT. Part of the Pauline Epistles.

Yeah, one of the letters that old sinner Paul wrote to congregations here and there, full of his personal opinions.
News for you- that burning bush didn't come to him at night and whisper in his ear. He made all that stuff up himself.