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The worlds newest dictator

Trajan Octavian Titus said:
LMFAO I've been doing some research into this Larry Birns character head of COHA and he's a ravid anti-Bush pro-Chavez pro-Allende Pro-Castro socialist.

I could give two craps what him or his organization have to say on the matter.

Who cares who he is as long as his information is accurate? Do you or do you not have the ability to back up your argument?
 
Trajan Octavian Titus said:
His info isn't accurate it's pro-Chavez propaganda.

So find proof that Capriles is NOT the head of Primero Justicia and they're main goal is NOT to overthrow Chavez and the US does NOT fund them.
 
Trajan Octavian Titus said:
So was Hitler.

What's your point? All elections can turn into dictatorships. You have yet to prove that this one has
 
Again one has to say that comparing Cuba in 1959 and Chile 1970 then Venezuela 2005 is futile. That's like comparing the war in Viet Nam with the war in Iraq. They have nothing to do with one another.

Land reform - nice title but not always what it seems. So far as I can tell from the Venezuelan press:
http://www.onlinenewspapers.com/venezuel.htm

Chavez is not just indiscriminately seizing¡g this land and just turning it over to landless farmers. There is a process that has been legislated. It doesn't seem to be being done on a large scale (but the only ones who know that are those who have recently been Venezuela. Who here has physically spent time in that country since 2000? Nobody I am almost 100% sure.),

Chavez is simply using the process of "Eminent Domian". Every heard of that? Sure you have it's in the 5th amendment to the US Constitution as is used everyday right here in the good ole USofA. It is a device by which the government can seize private land to improve the conditions of the community by building useful things like office building but just as often Casinos, five star hotels. The land is seize by the government and then sold at a much higher price to private individuals and developers. The government not only gets the money back plus a profit. it also gets a higher tax base from the new building put up on the property. There are cases of this going on in every state of the union everyday. It's government seizure of private land. ****! That's creeping socialism and right here in the Constitution!

Nationalization: When, what and who.
Many capitalist nations have national health care, a nationalairline (KLM) and the railroad is owned by the government. As a matter of fact this perfectly describes The Neatherlands. The nation that is considered the father of mercantilism and capitalism. Call a Dutchman a communist and he'll kick you in the groin with his wooden shoes then hostiley take over your business.

In the US Amtrak is a government enterprise. The government own millions of acres of land. Are we a socialist nation because of this. Does the practice of Eminent domain make us a bunch of commies? Of course not.

Many capitalist nations exercise government control over the manufacture of military arms. This is done so that their own arms will not be used against them like ours often are. The first United or AA flight downed by Al-Quaeda using a US manufactured missile will bring on a firestorm by the citizen calling for tighter government arms control. And that scenario is not an "if" it's a "when".

"Chavez is a dictator moving his country down the road to financial ruin." says the anti-Chavez crowd.

"Bush is a dictator who doesn't listen to his people and he is carrying his nation to rack and ruin." So say the anti-Bush crowd.
Both are full of ****. Neither Bush nor Chavez is a dictator..................yet.
 
nex ut tyrannus licentia vel nex



sic semper tyrannus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm so happy cuz today I found my friends cuz today aww fuq it quz today I have found god yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa yaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

I'm so lonely that's ok and just maybe I'm to blame for all I've hurt.

I'm so happy cuz today I found my friends in a daze cuz I found god!!!!!!!
Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
 
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Trajan Octavian Titus said:
nex ut tyrannus licentia vel nex



sic semper tyrannus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm so happy cuz today I found my friends cuz today aww fuq it quz today I have found god yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa yaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

I'm so lonely that's ok and just maybe I'm to blame for all I've hurt.

Uh huh....how's the hooch tonight?
 
Trajan Octavian Titus said:
not good enough I'm here right ;)


ever heard of Nirvana unplugged in New York

Sure...but I don't know what that has to do with Chavez...
 
Kelzie said:
Sure...but I don't know what that has to do with Chavez...


Alpha 66:

Our purpose for having a Web-Page on the Internet:

There appears to be a relentless campaign spearheaded by the tyrannical government that misappropriated the island of Cuba, interested organizations, and other foreign governments that pretends that the Castro-Communist system is about to release its grip on the Cuban people and that peace with them is at hand.

This campaign which pretends to believe that little by little the system will surrender all its power and freedom will come to our people lacks perspective and is absolutely wrong. First, it forgets the character of the tyrant -- a totalitarian subhuman incapable of any noble feelings, who has mercilessly taken away from the Cuban people all their human rights.

Secondly, great efforts are being made to conceal the fact that there is a revolution already going on inside Cuba. That this underground revolution could explode at any moment unexpectedly and that throughout the island thousands of secret groups are working day and night to bring about this moment of liberation.

Occasionally news of clandestine operations, sabotages, slowdowns, silent and not so silent protests which keep the prisons full at all times, demonstrates a movement that has only one objective: TOTAL VICTORY. History has shown us that once a people enter into a revolutionary state of mind, in pursuit of its rights, nothing will deter them from obtaining the final triumph.

To inform the world of this revolution in the making, which ALPHA 66 has been a part of since its inception; to give a voice to those Freedom Fighters who are risking their lives and to hold accountable those who are helping the tyrant, we bring our information to the Internet.

We invite all to visit our Web-Page, to work with us, to participate in the pursuit of the glorious day when Cuba's liberation will mark one of the golden pages in the history of the 20th century. All those that work with us will be proud to have had a part in this unique event of seeing the end of Communism in our America.

ALPHA 66 was organized in Puerto Rico at the end of 1961 with 66 men. Alpha is the first letter of the Greek alphabet, but to us it means the beginning of the fight against communism in Cuba. Thus the reason for its name. Most of the 66 men were professionals; accountants, workers and revolutionaries who had fought against the Batista dictatorship.

ALPHA 66 was created with the intention of making commando type attacks on Cuba to maintain the fighting spirit of the Cuban people after the failure of the Bay of Pigs invasion.

FIRST ACTIONS

The first attacks on Cuba were to the port of Isabela de Sagua and Juan Francisco Beach in 1962. Afterwards a Russian ship was attacked in a Cuban port, and G-2 headquarters (Castro's dreaded military police) were ransacked at Isabela. In both attacks at Isabela our men were on Cuban soil. Those actions were followed by many others. The Militia training camps in Tarará were attacked on three different occasions. Other actions and infiltrations took place in the years from 1962 to l964, such as Matanzas Bay, the port of Havana and Caibarien where a British ship was attacked.

In 1964, ALPHA 66 decided to take stronger actions rather that just commando raids and began to work on the "Omega Plan" which consisted of situating a guerrilla force, well equipped, inside Cuba. From the Dominican Republic where ALPHA 66 had a training camp, Major Eloy Gutiérrez Menoyo with three other fighters landed in Oriente Province, leaving behind a force of fifty men, who were never able to land in Cuba. Gutiérrez Menoyo and his men were made prisoners and we had to leave our training camp due to the American government's pressure on Dominican authorities.

NEW OPERATION PLANS

Andrés Nazario Sargén, who also had been a Major in the struggle against Batista's regime and one of the founders of the organization worked in different capacities, such as Organization Secretary in charge of maintaining training camps well supplied, became General Secretary of the organization and, in October 1968, Captain Vicente Méndez was appointed in charge of the military operations. ALPHA 66 started a very strong drive to raise enough money to prepare a new plan to land a guerrilla force in Cuba under the command of Vicente Méndez. This operation was to take place before the end of 1969.

By December of that year Vicente Méndez, promoted to Colonel by the organization, was in Cuban waters trying to find a suitable place to land. Their first attempt was unsuccessful. In the first week of 1970, the two boats of the landing force were approaching the Cuban coast when a tropical storm hit and one of the boats capsized. We lost one man on this operation, Captain Julio César Ramírez. Finally, the other boat was rescued by an American ship and they were taken to Guantánamo.




March 18, 1998




http://www.alpha66.org/english/purpose.htm
 
But Colonel Méndez and his men were not discouraged. They started all over again, and ALPHA 66 mobilized its 63 delegations, making a frantic effort to raise new funds for the second trip. Money in large quantities was needed for new rifles, boats, equipment, etc., and all of ALPHA's men worked hard to raise money mainly among hard working Cubans and other sympathizers and, in two months, Colonel Vicente Méndez was ready again to try for a new landing in Cuba.

Against adversity, fate, and death, he finally landed in Baracoa, Oriente Province, on April 17, 1970. The day must be marked in history, because it is the turning point in the fight against Fidel Castro and his communist regime.

The commotion was world wide. The Castro regime was shaken to its foundation. His famous "ten million tons of sugar harvest" effort was paralyzed in Oriente Province after April 17. This caused a big set back to his goal of sugar production. The Cuban people had a new hope and ALPHA 66 was a new symbol.

ALPHA 66 struck again in May 1970 and two of Castro's boats were sunk and eleven prisoners taken. These fishermen boats were used to transport arms to communist guerrillas in Colombia and Venezuela and they were also on the lookout for our comando boats in order to give notice to the authorities. Castro, impotent against our attacks blamed the United States and put diplomatic pressure on us to let free the prisoners.

On September of the same year, the landing on the north coast of Oriente Province by Colonel José Rodríguez Pérez, with a group of men heading for the "Sierra Maestra" mountains, provided one of the most daring and heroic deeds of this epic fight against communism in our homeland. On a long ride through the Province, when they were in the outskirts of the city of Baire ready to penetrate the mountains, they confronted Castro's army and militia and fought valiantly, but the number of forces against them was impossible to overcome.

Castro announced total annihilation of the different guerrilla forces that had landed, but although some of them were taken prisoners and others killed in action or in front of firing squads, reports from the Cuban underground proved the existence of different groups of resistance in the mountains.

The landing of Vicente Méndez on April 1970, unsuccessful as it was in its main objective, gave impulse inside Cuba to the idea of fighting communism; the Cuban people understood that in exile there was a force named ALPHA 66 that was fighting for their cause. ALPHA 66 cells began to appear everywhere. A complete underground network took shape and the results were a series of sabotages, bombs in Havana, the burning of sugar warehouses, cane fields, tobacco houses, factories and anything that would harm the oppressive government.

At the same time, several expeditions headed for Cuba were intercepted by American authorities. Ships, arms, and ammunition were confiscated, but ALPHA 66 always understood that it had to overcome a mountain of difficulties and there is no other way.

THE MAXIMO GOMEZ PLAN

The experience showed us that one thing the Cuban people on the Island needed was a constant message. They needed something that would instill in them, even under the most difficult circumstances, a will to break away from a system that has been so oppressive, that has tried to make them into machines, denying the right to not only express their feelings but to have feelings at all or to think for themselves.

This is the reason we produce a constant barrage of radio programs to Cuba with ALPHA 66 messages of hope, hammering our perspective as to how to confront the tyranny. These radio messages, plus a series of new landings during the 1980's was called "The Máximo Gómez Plan," in honor of one of our liberators in the war against Spain.

In recent years the emphasis has been in calling the attention to the tourists who are cooperating with the cuban regime's official exploitation of prostitution that has flourished due to hunger and the miserable life under communism. Our commandos have had confrontation with Castro's forces on several occasions at the tourists facilities of Cayo Coco. Cells of ALPHA 66 in Cuba, in conjuntion with other forces fighting Castro inside the island, have sabotaged tourists attractions and other places where the common cuban people cannot visit due to the fact that everything revolves around dollars... which they don't have.

The magnitude and repercussions of the revolutionary changes in the communist world of the past few years are still difficult to comprehend. Yet, one thing does remain clear: the collapse and demise of Marxism-Leninism projects a conscience of freedom and liberty that will permeate throughout the coming century as a breath of fresh air.

For many years, communism was considered an indestructible system and philosophy. Nevertheless, in 1976, at the World Anti-Communist League convention in Taiwan, ALPHA 66 publicly stated "...that Marxism-Leninism is a failure; its economic system and the totalitarian direction taken, is destroying its own course in history; and therefore, it will disappear."

Mankind has long struggled for the optimum path toward progress, justice, and liberty compatible with the dignity of man. As we approach the 21th Century, the signs of the new era, aiming toward a renewal of moral values, the redistribution of wealth, labor, global independence, and freedom for all the people of the world, are visible.


ALPHA 66, the historic organization with more than 37 years of revolutionary effort, has created a force unlike any other struggling against Castro-communism. It has defied the norms, requested permission from no one, spared no sacrifice, and has acted without apprehension. With this spirit, ALPHA 66 will play a determining role in the fall of the Cuban tyranny, and will bear the responsibility of working with the future government to insure a triumphant democratic revolution.

Supported by the majorities within the island, as well as in exile, ALPHA 66 today is summoned to transform itself into a national political party. Its proper course will enable it to provide solutions to the demands of the people and to unify the nation on the road to an independent and sovereign republic.

ALPHA 66 has worked toward the demise of Castro's communism; it has lived the experience of the previous political process, while forging a spirit of respect toward others. It has planted seeds in Cuba's heart, and has shed its blood, fertilizing these seeds with honor. The road remaining is short; the revolution will erupt, and Cuba will be free. The tryst is over there, with the will to serve our country and desire to fulfill its hopes and dreams.

ALPHA 66 is not only a symbol of hope to see Cuba free again, it is a reality on the road to freedom.
 
Trajan Octavian Titus said:
The only way to win is to kill the tyrant kelz.

Okay, first of all. Drunk posting is only for those who can handle it.

Second, Castro has nothing to do with Chavez.

Third. Don't post whole articles. Summarize it. It's part of the rules. And nobody wants to read through that much crap.
 
Kelzie said:
Okay, first of all. Drunk posting is only for those who can handle it.

Second, Castro has nothing to do with Chavez.

Third. Don't post whole articles. Summarize it. It's part of the rules. And nobody wants to read through that much crap.

Ya well if you lived in Fl. and knew what alpha 66 was you would know that it doesn't stop with Castro, ever hear of the Contras???
 
Trajan Octavian Titus said:
Ya well if you lived in Fl. and knew what alpha 66 was you would know that it doesn't stop with Castro, ever hear of the Contras???

I don't live in Florida, I don't know who alpha 66 is, and I highly doubt they have anything to do with Chavez. Do you have a point?
 
Kelzie said:
I don't live in Florida, I don't know who alpha 66 is, and I highly doubt they have anything to do with Chavez. Do you have a point?

Chavez is scared shitless of Alpha 66 so is Castro so was Allende, and with good reason, counter revolution reactionary . . . . nevermine
 
Trajan Octavian Titus said:
Have you ever met a Cuban who escaped Castro . . . . I have.

Congrats. This here thead's about Venezuela.
 
Kelzie said:
Congrats. This here thead's about Venezuela.

Nope Chavez is the next Castro:

Alpha 66:

Our purpose for having a Web-Page on the Internet:

There appears to be a relentless campaign spearheaded by the tyrannical government that misappropriated the island of Cuba, interested organizations, and other foreign governments that pretends that the Castro-Communist system is about to release its grip on the Cuban people and that peace with them is at hand.


sound familiiar???????
 
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Trajan Octavian Titus said:
Nope Chavez is the next Castro:

Alpha 66:

Our purpose for having a Web-Page on the Internet:

There appears to be a relentless campaign spearheaded by the tyrannical government that misappropriated the island of Cuba, interested organizations, and other foreign governments that pretends that the Castro-Communist system is about to release its grip on the Cuban people and that peace with them is at hand.


sound familiiar???????

No. No, not really.
 
The hypocrisy and contradictions of some of the opinions being expressed here are nothing short of astounding. A typical US attitude, breathtaking in its arrogance, seems to be - 'We're all for democracy, as long as you choose the person we want. - If you dont, then we will help install (and the evidence here is overwhelming) a dictatorship that will last at least a decade (during which time most members of opposition parties will be killed, tortured or imprisoned) until you have learnt your lesson.' The assumption is that these poor misguided 'peasants' dont know what's best for them* and who they vote in doesnt matter because if its someone counter to US interests then they somehow arent democratic (ie the US government wouldnt have voted for them). I suppose youve met loads of refugees of the Allende regime in Miami have you Trajan? Hmmm. Nonsense. Allende was a moderate socialist who was trying to renationalise industries that he felt had been stolen from the Chilean pe ople by multinationals. Apart from that he was running a moderate capitalist state that wouldnt have been out of place in Western Europe. The fact is that, for Latin American governments, anything except lying down and letting yourself be raped by the multinationals, even if this means 90% of your population remain in poverty even though your country is rich in resources, has been greeted by the US as tantamount to Stalinism. I dont think there is anything wrong with standing up for yourself and deciding that a bit more of your country's natural resources should be distributed amongst the people - after all who should it belong to in the end? This isnt the same as saying private businesses and property shouldnt exist, and they were never stopped under Allende and they havent stopped under Chavez. I still havent seen anything except rabid right-wing news sources from you yet Trajan either. Wheres those non-US media sources I was hoping for?

*Although the poor in South America are generally a hell of a lot more politically and historically aware than most people in the US because it is literally a matter of life or death for them.

If you want to see how much of a crazy communist Chavez is, look at the UK Trade and Industry website where it is made clear that the country is still keen on international businesses...https://www.uktradeinvest.gov.uk/uk...nfpb=true&_pageLabel=venezuela&HidePages=true
He just wants to work with them on a more even playing field.
(note the 65% approval rating quoted again here - could that be why he keeps winning elections?)
 
Kelzie said:
Okay, first of all. Drunk posting is only for those who can handle it.

Second, Castro has nothing to do with Chavez.

Third. Don't post whole articles. Summarize it. It's part of the rules. And nobody wants to read through that much crap.


Really Trajan. You don't have to cut and paste whole articles. Just put the link down. One good reason is to see who is really interested in the subject. Those who are will go to the link. I have a lot of interest in the Cuban situation. I worked with the INS on the Mariel Project from1988 to 2000. The Alph66 site was interesting but that whole thing is another thread in itself. However it has nothing to do with the subject at hand.
 
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