The "Working class", whatever happened to it?

[Lafayette]

DIDDLY-SQUAT

The working class is not as universal as you think it is. Working adults are a majority, but not by very much. So what is this social contract between working adults and non-working adults?

Yes, the "working-class" is very broad and it includes everybody who "works", which encompasses presidents of corporations. And which is why it has known such recent disussage.

It's better known as the Poor Working Class and that means (any economist will tell you) those that work at or below the Pöverty Threshold ($26K per year for a family of four). That's a bit more than $2K a month, just less than around $70 a day - which will leave one financially diddly-squat per-day if you consider monthly rental-costs.

Which means most are located (for a lifetime) in accommodations that do not belong to them and are run by the state or city.

And, believe me, given that most low-brow manufacturing has already left the US for China and/or Central-America, that does not leave much for those people without professional qualifications in the US!

Aint no way to live a lifetime ... and we Yanks should have seen coming the utter destruction of Manufacturing in the US that now employs less than 12% of the total workforce. All the rest are in the "other category" known as Services-Industries!

So, what's a country to do? Extend the responsibility for Education to the "state-plus-federal-government" for Vocational Training and Post-secondary Schooling (at very low cost*) ....

*One can send their kids into a post-secondary education in the European Union for one tenth of what it costs in the US in a state-run school! And as for private postsecondary schooling about one-tenth the cost in the US today!

 

[Mycroft]

DIDDLY-SQUAT



Yes, the "working-class" is very broad and it includes everybody who "works", which encompasses presidents of corporations. And which is why it has known such recent disussage.

It's better known as the Poor Working Class and that means (any economist will tell you) those that work at or below the Pöverty Threshold ($26K per year for a family of four). That's a bit more than $2K a month, just less than around $70 a day - which will leave one financially diddly-squat per-day if you consider monthly rental-costs.

Which means most are located (for a lifetime) in accommodations that do not belong to them and are run by the state or city.

And, believe me, given that most low-brow manufacturing has already left the US for China and/or Central-America, that does not leave much for those people without professional qualifications in the US!

Aint no way to live a lifetime ... and we Yanks should have seen coming the utter destruction of Manufacturing in the US that now employs less than 12% of the total workforce. All the rest are in the "other category" known as Services-Industries!

So, what's a country to do? Extend the responsibility for Education to the "state-plus-federal-government" for Vocational Training and Post-secondary Schooling (at very low cost*) ....

*One can send their kids into a post-secondary education in the European Union for one tenth of what it costs in the US in a state-run school! And as for private postsecondary schooling about one-tenth the cost in the US today!

We have a much simpler option: Support Trump's agenda.

You talk about the "utter destruction of Manufacturing", and we just had a President who's primary goal was to bring manufacturing back to the US. And what happened? The people who WANT manufacturing to leave the US did everything they could to destroy the guy. (And they are STILL doing it because he is STILL a danger to them.)

And what do we have now? The same kinds of people in control as the ones who destroyed the working class over the last 40 years.

But hell, we can't just blame those globalists. Yes...they destroyed the working class, but WE LET THEM.

Blame yourself.

btw Lafayette, I didn't miss your typical push for more government in the form of socialized education. I dismissed it. As Reagan famously said, "...government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem."

 

[The Stars Tremble]

In the US, the Social Security trust fund was the beginning of the end. Working people were forced to invest in the Means of Production. And now there are private retirement funds too.

Oh one other thing. The major investment of most people is their house/home. While not strictly Means of Production, houses do reward investors for the inflation of a limited natural resource (land).

 

[The Stars Tremble]

You talk about the "utter destruction of Manufacturing", and we just had a President who's primary goal was to bring manufacturing back to the US. And what happened? The people who WANT manufacturing to leave the US did everything they could to destroy the guy. (And they are STILL doing it because he is STILL a danger to them.)

In another thread, I showed that America's trade balance IN GOODS got worse every year of Trump's incumbency. So what did he do, exactly, to bring manufacturing back?

Also if you don't mind, acknowledge that manufacturing by factory-door price, and manufacturing JOBS, are entirely different things. To be competitive the US needs highly automated manufacturing, because even illegal immigrants won't work for Chinese wages.

 

[Mycroft]

In another thread, I showed that America's trade balance IN GOODS got worse every year of Trump's incumbency. So what did he do, exactly, to bring manufacturing back?

Also if you don't mind, acknowledge that manufacturing by factory-door price, and manufacturing JOBS, are entirely different things. To be competitive the US needs highly automated manufacturing, because even illegal immigrants won't work for Chinese wages.

Trump didn't succeed in his goal...and I told you why.

You'll have to define "factory-door price" because I've never heard that term and got nothing when I looked it up.

In any case, the biggest impediment to manufacturing in the US isn't wages. It's a destructive tax structure and unfair trade practices in other countries. That's why Trump changed the tax code...as much as he could...went after the Chinese, made trade deals with various asian countries, was working with the UK...and had his sights set on the EU...until his second term was stolen from him.

Look. I'm not going to get into a pissing contest about "Trump bad"/"Trump good". The events throughout the world speak for themselves. Even with massive opposition, manufacturing in the US increased and wages increased. After Trump...manufacturing is down again and inflation is eating away at those wage gains.

Just think of what we could have if Trump and his agenda was supported instead of opposed and look at what we now have again with the globalists in charge.

 

[bongsaway]

We have a much simpler option: Support Trump's agenda.

You talk about the "utter destruction of Manufacturing", and we just had a President who's primary goal was to bring manufacturing back to the US. And what happened? The people who WANT manufacturing to leave the US did everything they could to destroy the guy. (And they are STILL doing it because he is STILL a danger to them.)

And what do we have now? The same kinds of people in control as the ones who destroyed the working class over the last 40 years.

But hell, we can't just blame those globalists. Yes...they destroyed the working class, but WE LET THEM.

Blame yourself.

btw Lafayette, I didn't miss your typical push for more government in the form of socialized education. I dismissed it. As Reagan famously said, "...government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem."

Government is the problem, unless of course the government is controlled by trump. Trump's agenda was to tell people what they wanted to hear. How much manufacturing did trump 'bring back' to america? All of these corporations left america for cheaper labor and more profit which republicans love. More profit for the top ten percent, perfect, who cares if the average working person is losing their job in the process. All of these companies starting leaving america under reagan.

 

[Loulit01]

Trickle down economics happened.

 

[soylentgreen]

DIDDLY-SQUAT



Yes, the "working-class" is very broad and it includes everybody who "works", which encompasses presidents of corporations. And which is why it has known such recent disussage.

It's better known as the Poor Working Class and that means (any economist will tell you) those that work at or below the Pöverty Threshold ($26K per year for a family of four). That's a bit more than $2K a month, just less than around $70 a day - which will leave one financially diddly-squat per-day if you consider monthly rental-costs.

Which means most are located (for a lifetime) in accommodations that do not belong to them and are run by the state or city.

And, believe me, given that most low-brow manufacturing has already left the US for China and/or Central-America, that does not leave much for those people without professional qualifications in the US!

Aint no way to live a lifetime ... and we Yanks should have seen coming the utter destruction of Manufacturing in the US that now employs less than 12% of the total workforce. All the rest are in the "other category" known as Services-Industries!

So, what's a country to do? Extend the responsibility for Education to the "state-plus-federal-government" for Vocational Training and Post-secondary Schooling (at very low cost*) ....

*One can send their kids into a post-secondary education in the European Union for one tenth of what it costs in the US in a state-run school! And as for private postsecondary schooling about one-tenth the cost in the US today!

You contradict yourself.
"Yes, the "working-class" is very broad and it includes everybody who "works", which encompasses presidents of corporations" + " It's better known as the Poor Working Class and that means (any economist will tell you) those that work at or below the Pöverty Threshold ($26K per year for a family of four) " = a contradiction. Unless you want us to believe that ceo's are earning so little.

The poor working class also include the homeless as well as the unemployed. Of which america does not document because then it would have to do something about it.

You do know that america has the poorest of records when it comes to workers rights. That as a class of people they have no representation in government as the republicans back industrial leaders not workers and the democrats have long forgotten the working class to seek favour from the middle class.

You are suggesting socialism. Americans fear that word.

 

[What if...?]

We have a much simpler option: Support Trump's agenda.

You talk about the "utter destruction of Manufacturing", and we just had a President who's primary goal was to bring manufacturing back to the US. And what happened? The people who WANT manufacturing to leave the US did everything they could to destroy the guy. (And they are STILL doing it because he is STILL a danger to them.)

And what do we have now? The same kinds of people in control as the ones who destroyed the working class over the last 40 years.

But hell, we can't just blame those globalists. Yes...they destroyed the working class, but WE LET THEM.

Blame yourself.

btw Lafayette, I didn't miss your typical push for more government in the form of socialized education. I dismissed it. As Reagan famously said, "...government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem."

Well, mccconnel.is definitely still in charge, and it's his party that has been letting their donors make off with the silverware for decades.

Good you acknowledged the problem. But it's gonna take time.to undo.

Cut us a little slack, OK?

 

[bomberfox]

Neoliberalism of course.

 

[What if...?]

You contradict yourself.
"Yes, the "working-class" is very broad and it includes everybody who "works", which encompasses presidents of corporations" + " It's better known as the Poor Working Class and that means (any economist will tell you) those that work at or below the Pöverty Threshold ($26K per year for a family of four) " = a contradiction. Unless you want us to believe that ceo's are earning so little.

The poor working class also include the homeless as well as the unemployed. Of which america does not document because then it would have to do something about it.

You do know that america has the poorest of records when it comes to workers rights. That as a class of people they have no representation in government as the republicans back industrial leaders not workers and the democrats have long forgotten the working class to seek favour from the middle class.

You are suggesting socialism. Americans fear that word.

Given their resources and complete lack of morality, they could have made the same people fear lollipops.

The vast majority don't even know that socialism.and communism are NOT synonyms.

Beautiful bit of propaganda, actually. Took a lot to accomplish in time and money.

Funded by the "capital" in capitalism, of course.

 

[CaughtInThe]

I think they post on the Internet all day long.

 

[Lafayette]

A TRULY HUMONGOUS DEBT

btw Lafayette, I didn't miss your typical push for more government in the form of socialized education. I dismissed it. As Reagan famously said, "...government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem."

What Reagan new about debt would fit a thimble. How American's could have elected a Hollywood has-been as PotUS was incredulous.

But, that's America for you - whenever the fit-hits-the-shan people make jokes to avoid the patent anger.

We cannot go on forever with the humongous-debt we all carry around on all our shoulders. We just can't ...

 

[Mycroft]

Well, mccconnel.is definitely still in charge, and it's his party that has been letting their donors make off with the silverware for decades.

Good you acknowledged the problem. But it's gonna take time.to undo.

Cut us a little slack, OK?

Oh...don't go blaming McConnell and the GOP. The Dem Elites are the other side of the same globalist coin.

I have ALWAYS acknowledged this problem and it's not going to change until the voters kick them out. The Republican rank and file are working on it...the Dems...well, they are still stuck in useful idiot mode.

It's going to take a LOT of time.

 

[Mycroft]

A TRULY HUMONGOUS DEBT



What Reagan new about debt would fit a thimble. How American's could have elected a Hollywood has-been as PotUS was incredulous.

But, that's America for you - whenever the fit-hits-the-shan people make jokes to avoid the patent anger.

Reagan wasn't joking.

We cannot go on forever with the humongous-debt we all carry around on all our shoulders. We just can't ...

I agree...but the political Elites don't care.

 

[What if...?]

Oh...don't go blaming McConnell and the GOP. The Dem Elites are the other side of the same globalist coin.

I have ALWAYS acknowledged this problem and it's not going to change until the voters kick them out. The Republican rank and file are working on it...the Dems...well, they are still stuck in useful idiot mode.

It's going to take a LOT of time.

Really sucks for you then that the only legislation of moment he got passed was a tax cut for globalists so they can afford more globalling, huh?

Kinda puts the lie to your narrative, doesnt it?

 

[Mycroft]

Really sucks for you then that the only legislation of moment he got passed was a tax cut for globalists so they can afford more globalling, huh?

Kinda puts the lie to your narrative, doesnt it?

Wrong.

Trump's tax cut was for Americans. The globalists didn't like anything he wanted to do...especially the stuff he wanted to do in that tax reform that the globalist lackeys in Congress wouldn't go for...such as extensive removal of corporate loopholes. Congress made sure those stayed in for the globalist paymasters.

 

[Peter]

As Reagan famously said, "...government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem."

Try living in a country without a government and then maybe you can claim government is the problem.
It's not a great quote and is in fact quite stupid.

 

[Mycroft]

Try living in a country without a government and then maybe you can claim government is the problem.
It's not a great quote and is in fact quite stupid.

Try dialing back the hyperbole, eh?

Nobody is talking about living in a country without a government. We just want a country with a government that doesn't screw over its citizens.

 

[Peter]

Try dialing back the hyperbole, eh?

Nobody is talking about living in a country without a government. We just want a country with a government that doesn't screw over its citizens.

By giving them a decent education and safety nets when people need it?
Yep, what utter, utter bastards and you're the last person on here who can tell anyone to stop using hyperbole as it's your entire posting style.
You claim everything the left does will end in disaster.

 

[SenorXm/Sirius]

The working class.
? The Republicans destroyed the unions. They showed their true colors...

 

[Mycroft]

By giving them a decent education and safety nets when people need it?
Yep, what utter, utter bastards and you're the last person on here who can tell anyone to stop using hyperbole as it's your entire posting style.
You claim everything the left does will end in disaster.

sigh...

You are dismissed.

 

[TurtleDude]

The working class.
? The Republicans destroyed the unions. They showed their true colors...

no, globalism and the ability of many companies to use cheaper off-shore labor killed unions in manufacturing.

 

[Hamish Howl]

We have a much simpler option: Support Trump's agenda.

Nope.

 

[Mycroft]

Nope.

shrug...

Okay.

Then we keep the stuff Lafayette was talking about in his OP. That's what you want, right?