The War in Heaven

[Airborne375]

It has all the ingredients of mythology. Lucifer disagreeing with God over taking a human form. The war which resulted in Lucifer being cast out by Micheal and many Angels following him.

Problem is I cannot find anything about it in a bible. I'm wondering if it's covered in the Jewish holy books or even the Koran.

Any and all insight appreciated,

Thanks

 

[Paralogic]

Any and all insight appreciated,...

It's a myth.

People come up with all kinds of imaginary, fantastic scenarios to explain the world around them. That's why all religions are false by definition.

 

[Airborne375]

It's a myth.

People come up with all kinds of imaginary, fantastic scenarios to explain the world around them. That's why all religions are false by definition.

I believe it's a myth but am wondering where the story originated.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

It's a myth.

People come up with all kinds of imaginary, fantastic scenarios to explain the world around them. That's why all religions are false by definition.

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[Moot]

It has all the ingredients of mythology. Lucifer disagreeing with God over taking a human form. The war which resulted in Lucifer being cast out by Micheal and many Angels following him.

Problem is I cannot find anything about it in a bible. I'm wondering if it's covered in the Jewish holy books or even the Koran.

Any and all insight appreciated,

Thanks

Sounds similar to what Mormons believe....

War in Heaven

War in Heaven - The Encyclopedia of Mormonism

 

[Airborne375]

Sounds similar to what Mormons believe....

War in Heaven

War in Heaven - The Encyclopedia of Mormonism

Ah that looks like it. Thank you.

 

[Moot]

Ah that looks like it. Thank you.

You're welcome.

 

[Goshin]

Revelations, Ch 12 vs 7.

 

[24107]

It has all the ingredients of mythology. Lucifer disagreeing with God over taking a human form. The war which resulted in Lucifer being cast out by Micheal and many Angels following him.

Problem is I cannot find anything about it in a bible. I'm wondering if it's covered in the Jewish holy books or even the Koran.


Any and all insight appreciated,

Thanks

There was no war in Heaven some punk disobeyed God and was kicked out in a flash.

 

[Daktoria]

Revelations. It's the best book in the Bible for people looking for excitement.

 

[Goshin]

Also referenced in Isaiah 14:12

 

[Slartibartfast]

Also the basis for a really badass movie starring christopher walken.

 

[Goshin]

Also the basis for a really badass movie starring christopher walken.

Was there ever any movie Christopher Walken was in where he wasn't badass? I'm fairly sure his picture is next to the word in Webster's Dictionary.... :mrgreen:

 

[Sig]

Was there ever any movie Christopher Walken was in where he wasn't badass? I'm fairly sure his picture is next to the word in Webster's Dictionary.... :mrgreen:

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[Goshin]

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WTF?? :lamo

 

[Sig]

WTF?? :lamo

This was actually a very funny movie for both kids and adults. It is also one of my favorite Walken performances in a minor role.

 

[Risky Thicket]

Allow me to begin by saying that I don't have a dog in this fight.

Either "God" as Christians refer to it is All and all powerful or "God" is not All and not omnipotent. God is All or God is less. If you believe there is a war in heaven then you believe in a vulnerable and incomplete god that is not omnipotent.

 

[Paschendale]

Probably the popular image of sword wielding angels came from medieval artists rendering their beliefs in a way that fit their culture. And the literary interpretations of a war in heaven was based on that same medieval culture. A lot of the more popular Christian imagery comes from the overlay of these (quite brutal) practices from the Dark Ages over more traditional Jewish images. These images are simply the ones that survived. Older Roman ones didn't last quite the same way.

I think a much better question to ponder is WHY DID CHRISTOPHER WALKEN TETHER HIMSELF TO HIS VAN!?!

 

[Goshin]

Allow me to begin by saying that I don't have a dog in this fight.

Either "God" as Christians refer to it is All and all powerful or "God" is not All and not omnipotent. God is All or God is less. If you believe there is a war in heaven then you believe in a vulnerable and incomplete god that is not omnipotent.

More like Lucifer saying "hey, this God guy, he's not all that... come on and team up with me, we're gonna take over and run dis place, see?"

So Lou and his 1/3rd of the angels try to jump Jehovah and dah Big J goes

SPLAT

in about 0.48 Femtoseconds....

Not much of a war, no.... sorta like the US Military vs the Iraqi Republican Guard, but more so. :lamo



Edited to add: Say, maybe that was the Big Bang.... :lamo (j/k)

 

[Goshin]

This was actually a very funny movie for both kids and adults. It is also one of my favorite Walken performances in a minor role.

Actually I've seen it, it had just slipped my mind. My son laughed so hard he almost hacked up his spleen, and I thought it was funny too. :mrgreen:

 

[Airborne375]

Allow me to begin by saying that I don't have a dog in this fight.

Either "God" as Christians refer to it is All and all powerful or "God" is not All and not omnipotent. God is All or God is less. If you believe there is a war in heaven then you believe in a vulnerable and incomplete god that is not omnipotent.

Hey! There is a dog on your Avatar pic!

I don't much understand religion, save it requires a certain type of faith.

Someone once told me, who I then took as wise in such matters. That it used to be believed, I guess amongst the Jews, or some side sect maybe that everything the Old Testament says about God was really about two different Gods. You have the nurturing helpful God and then the turning people into salt pillars and Noah's Genocide God but these were indeed two different entities. Not knowing a whole lot about scripture this seemed to make sense to me.

Angels are everywhere in popular fiction today almost as much so as Vampires.

I was reading some piece of fiction a while ago. (Don't remember.) And I just had an idea. What if God just got fed up with Lucifer's insolence and the supposed insurrection of a third of the 'Angelic Host'. What if he washed his hands of it, seems rather cold-hearted bu think of the Flood. According to angelic lore, it was the Archangel-Micheal who battled the first of all that God created, Lucifer, defeated him and tossed his tainted behind into hell.

Then I sort of thought, why wouldn't God have bitch slapped Lucifer himself > which lead to > If God washed his hands of Lucifer what if he no longer could/would > Which is why I brought it up here.. I don't mean to start a deep religious debate but I sort of like the notion that the evil in the world, and there is FAR too much of it everywhere.. Isn't REALLY under Gods control meaning he doesn't spark it or extinguish it.. That would be the doing of the devil and we have a truly bad guy to blame.

I'll close by saying I'm an Agnostic or Deist depending on which day you catch me. I warble back and forth but the definitions are close.

I certainly didn't mean to offend anyone. Except maybe the wrinkly dog in the Avatar Pic.

 

[Airborne375]

Probably the popular image of sword wielding angels came from medieval artists rendering their beliefs in a way that fit their culture. And the literary interpretations of a war in heaven was based on that same medieval culture. A lot of the more popular Christian imagery comes from the overlay of these (quite brutal) practices from the Dark Ages over more traditional Jewish images. These images are simply the ones that survived. Older Roman ones didn't last quite the same way.

I think a much better question to ponder is WHY DID CHRISTOPHER WALKEN TETHER HIMSELF TO HIS VAN!?!

Excellent point.

But all advertising isn't lying.

 

[Panache]

The war in heaven mythology was chiefly developed in 1667 with an Epic Poem by John Milton called Paradise Lost. It is a cornerstone of Western literature. Highly reccommend it.

 

[Quantrill]

It has all the ingredients of mythology. Lucifer disagreeing with God over taking a human form. The war which resulted in Lucifer being cast out by Micheal and many Angels following him.

Problem is I cannot find anything about it in a bible. I'm wondering if it's covered in the Jewish holy books or even the Koran.

Any and all insight appreciated,

Thanks

The war in Heaven that takes place as described in Revelation and other parts of the Bible, is just a continuation of the spiritual war that is ongoing at this time. The Spirit warfare involves the spirit realm which consists of the angels both good and evil, and the spirits of those who are alive unto God, known as Christians, and the spirits of those who are dead to God, known as the Godless or unbelieving.

Those who are angels, and men who are born-again, are aware and are willful and active participants. The unbelieving are particapants no matter how much they disbelieve. Indeed, even their disbelief is part of the war.

Quantrill

 

[Surtr]

Was there ever any movie Christopher Walken was in where he wasn't badass? I'm fairly sure his picture is next to the word in Webster's Dictionary.... :mrgreen:

**** gets real when he doesn't get more cowbell.

On the topic of the thread, I don't believe war is an accurate term. Skirmish, maybe. Lucifer was defeated by Michael, which resulted in his banishment. However, I have my doubts about Revelations.