Alexandria's way too good of a place to just give up to the Saviors. Not to mention Alexandria has a 50+ population. I don't know how that many of them could survive on the open road like that.
I meant Rick's core group.
I know Daryl is a captive now, but it seems like a different part of the country would be better at this point.
Last episode of last season made that unlikely IMO. It was all about them trying to out maneuver the Saviors, and they lost every single time.I know it is not in the script, but I wonder why they don't get everybody that is left and get as far away from that area as possible.
The country is a pretty big place.
Last episode of last season made that unlikely IMO. It was all about them trying to out maneuver the Saviors, and they lost every single time.
They were a step ahead of Rick's group the entire time, it wasn't even close.
How are they gonna get out? On foot? Maybe, but the ass beating they took the last 2 episodes, its plausible they are defeated for a while.
It has been a few episodes.
Do we still like this series?
It has been a few episodes.
Do we still like this series?
It has been a few episodes.
Do we still like this series?
I THINK that they are trying to make the viewing audience feel as helpless and desperate as Rick and the other survivors. They want us to be conflicted and angry like Carl and Michonne and ready to fight, but as stuck and lost as Rick. They want us to be torn. Putting yourself in that scenario, you would sit back and run through scenarios over and over and over and over til you figure out what YOU would have done differently. Then figure out for yourself how it wouldnt work.It has been a few episodes.
Do we still like this series?
It only sucks because you are stuck with them. Thats what the writing is supposed to do.It seems like the show will continue to suck until they'll decide it's time for the group to start fighting back.
It only sucks because you are stuck with them. Thats what the writing is supposed to do.
Sure...but thats the experiential part of the viewing experience.It sucks because people don't want to see more than one or two episodes of them being miserable and hopeless.
Thats where the whole plot hole things start to come in. Negan has apparently hundreds...but we dont see that. We see groups...20/30 at a time and we know they can knock off groups.Well, we're back to Carl as a synonym for Stupid, again. Pity, I like the boy.
Actually though there's tons and tons of Stupid to go around... characters that by now should KNOW better doing stupid newbie crap.
Rick, trying to stare down Negan AFTER the big opening demonstration and AFTER letting him and his men in passively... really really dumb.
Rick actually giving in as opposed to seeming to... dumb. Un-Rickly also.
Carl pitching a bitch fit with a little pistola in the face of Negan's overwhelming numbers AFTER seeing what happens to people who piss Negan off... really stupid, Carl.
Not caching some weapons and ammo off-site and off the books before Negan's arrival. REALLY dumb.
Michonne, SHOWING HERSELF in the @#%%@#$ window of the abandoned house while Negan's men were still in front of the gate, forcing Rick to give up the sniper rifle, when she darn well could have stayed hidden out of sight.
Not sure how much stupid I can tolerate before I give up.
Thats where the whole plot hole things start to come in. Negan has apparently hundreds...but we dont see that. We see groups...20/30 at a time and we know they can knock off groups.
I agree Carl kinda boobed when he had the 2 at gunpoint, but at that point, when Negan walked in...thats when I would have turned the gun on him. Assured him he was safe because they needed him alive, shot him once just to get his attention, and then have him order everyone back to their camp without the stuff and to come back in say 2 weeks. They would have left. I would have kept Daryl and Dwight too. Then I would have introduced Negan to fear and pain...and broken him like an egg. Mostly just for fun but all the while pumping him for information and letting him know you still needed him alive. Then I'd a beat him to death with Lucille...slowly. just before the 2 weeks was up Ida sent the second guy back just so he could tell them everything that happened. The Negan collective would have splintered. Thats a plus. Then Id have just set up snipe outposts at their camp and shot any and everything that moved. Eventually there would have been a war but it wouldnt be with Negan...it would be with smaller groups fighting amongst themselves.
And I think this is what we are supposed to be doing and thinking about.
Not caching some weapons and ammo off-site and off the books before Negan's arrival. REALLY dumb.
Michonne, SHOWING HERSELF in the @#%%@#$ window of the abandoned house while Negan's men were still in front of the gate, forcing Rick to give up the sniper rifle, when she darn well could have stayed hidden out of sight.
Not sure how much stupid I can tolerate before I give up.
yep...which is why they could be taken out. Carl let them go way too soon.Watch how Negan's men move in a close cluster. They're not professional fighters. They're amateurs, frighteners. What a handful of good fighters could do to them in ambush with a few M4s coming in the gate like that makes a tactician drool.
Watch how Negan's men move in a close cluster. They're not professional fighters. They're amateurs, frighteners. What a handful of good fighters could do to them in ambush with a few M4s coming in the gate like that makes a tactician drool.
How do we know that there are hundreds of them, and if they were that skilled, Ricks groups wouldnt have already been able to take out 2 complete groups in a matter of minutes.I wouldn't say they are amateurs. The Woodburians were amateurs.
The Saviors are a bunch of ruffians. And they are also extremely organized. And there are hundreds of them.
How do we know that there are hundreds of them,
and if they were that skilled, Ricks groups wouldnt have already been able to take out 2 complete groups in a matter of minutes.
They are organized by fear and control. Remove the head...the body tears itself apart. Even sheer numbers dont help and I doubt they are that well connected.Before Negan cornered Rick Grimes & crew, they had killled up to at least 58 Saviors. That's almost the entire population residing at Alexandria. Negan would have to have hundreds of men available in order for him to see that as a minor setback. Even Jesus stated that he's seen groups as big as 20 before. And IIRC, during the season 6 finale, over 50 Saviors were present. And there was also a giant group of Saviors that accompanied Negan to Alexandria.
I think that's enough to show that The Saviors are quite the large group.
Well to be fair, the Saviors at the satelite outpost were caught completely off-guard. And the group that accompanied Dwight was also caught off-guard by Abraham shooting them in the bushes.
And I don't think it's the fact that The Saviors are battle-hardened survivors is the reason why they are a threat. The reason why they are a thread is because they are such a massive group.
They also aren't stupid. They may have a bunch of crazies in their ranks, but they are very well organized.
I wouldn't say they are amateurs. The Woodburians were amateurs.
The Saviors are a bunch of ruffians. And they are also extremely organized. And there are hundreds of them.
They are organized by fear and control. Remove the head...the body tears itself apart. Even sheer numbers dont help and I doubt they are that well connected.
Anyway...its all speculation and I think thats what we are meant to be doing right now. At some point they will start to connect with the other colonies (thats another oddity/plothole. Why havent the colonies done a better job of connecting?).
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