The US has reached the precipice and robustly jumped off of it

[EMNofSeattle]

Don't you understand that these are things that won't kill anyone?

Actually these things do kill people. There’s no point in being physically alive and dead inside.

you are free to live this life if you want. You have no right to force it on others.

 

[HumblePi]

Actually these things do kill people. There’s no point in being physically alive and dead inside.

you are free to live this life if you want. You have no right to force it on others.

Listen, dead is dead. "Being dead inside" is very subjective and you're grossly exaggerating for dramatic effect. And you sir, have no right to pass on a potentially deadly virus to people that have been practicing safe distancing and mask wearing since last March. You have no right whatsoever to pass along potential death to others. PERIOD

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Listen, dead is dead. "Being dead inside" is very subjective and you're grossly exaggerating for dramatic effect. And you sir, have no right to pass on a potentially deadly virus to people that have been practicing safe distancing and mask wearing since last March. You have no right whatsoever to pass along potential death to others. PERIOD

Actually I have every right to live my daily life and you have no right to be safe from any virus I might have. You may feel free to socially distance yourself out of my life if you don’t like it.

 

[weaver2]

Coronavirus daily deaths vs all causes United States 2022| Statista

As of January 6, 2022, an average of 1,192 people per day have died from COVID-19 in the U.S.

www.statista.com

Normally there are 8,000 deaths per day in the USA. Now there are about the same. Find another thing to panic about.

You might want checkout this article from the CDC. Their numbers are different from what you are posting.

Excess Deaths Associated with COVID-19, by Age and ...

This report describes the estimated excess deaths reported in the United States from late January through October 3, 2020, with 66% excess deaths attributed to COVID-19.

www.cdc.gov

 

[weaver2]

Actually I have every right to live my daily life and you have no right to be safe from any virus I might have. You may feel free to socially distance yourself out of my life if you don’t like it.

You are wrong. People do have a right to be safe from specific viruses you may have. The CDC has legal rights to confine, quarantine, restrict movement of, require isolation, masks, immunizations of persons who are spreading diseases that have become epidemics.

See full set of regulations at: https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/specificlawsregulations.html

 

[EMNofSeattle]

You are wrong. People do have a right to be safe from specific viruses you may have. The CDC has legal rights to confine, quarantine, restrict movement of, require isolation, masks, immunizations of persons who are spreading diseases that have become epidemics.

See full set of regulations at: https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/specificlawsregulations.html

No, you have no right to be safe from a virus. otherwise your rights are violated every flu season.

The CDC does not have this authority as it is not enumerated to the executive branch.

 

[weaver2]

No, you have no right to be safe from a virus. otherwise your rights are violated every flu season.

What you said was: "you have no right to be safe from any virus I might have". And you are wrong. If you have a virus that has been designated as a threat the federal government has the power to require you to isolate in some way.

The CDC does not have this authority as it is not enumerated to the executive branch.

Yes, it most certainly does. Read the link I gave you.

 

[Jack Hays]

China Accuses Italy of Being the Source of Covid-19
China still has not accepted that shortcomings of their system of government, such as their mistreatment of whistleblowers, decision paralysis in times of crisis, and lack of a free press to expose the mistakes of incompetent officials and politicians, are the main reasons the world was infected with Covid-19.
Continue reading →

 

[HumblePi]

China Accuses Italy of Being the Source of Covid-19
China still has not accepted that shortcomings of their system of government, such as their mistreatment of whistleblowers, decision paralysis in times of crisis, and lack of a free press to expose the mistakes of incompetent officials and politicians, are the main reasons the world was infected with Covid-19.
Continue reading →

Breitbart is the source of this article so I immediately chalked it up to 'fake news'.

 

[Jack Hays]

Breitbart is the source of this article so I immediately chalked it up to 'fake news'.

The facts are not in dispute.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

I really don't think people understand that there's only a certain number of medical professionals to work in these hospitals and they're dying too. I used to own a nursing agency, I had over 200 nurses that worked part time with my agency picking up a shift here and there. Our clients were nursing homes and hospitals. I know that all these types of temp nursing agencies are straining to get nurses today. Even during the NY pandemic, nurses were waived the obligation to have a nursing license in the state of NY in order to come from all over the country to help out the staffing during the worst of the epidemic in NY. But now, those nurses are back home and they're running into critical shortages where nurses are working 12 hour shifts five days a week and they're falling sick, suffering from mental fatigue and PSTD.

And those people who insist on their "constitutional rights" to get tattooed and attend World Championship All Star Dancing with Apprentice Survivors of the Great American Monster Truck and Tractor Demolition Derby BBQ and Beer Celebration parties simply don't care.

Last April, there were already more than 150 health care professionals that died of Covid-19. As of October, according to the CDC, more than 170,000 US healthcare workers have contracted the virus and 1,200 have died.

And those people who insist on their "constitutional rights" to get tattooed and attend World Championship All Star Dancing with Apprentice Survivors of the Great American Monster Truck and Tractor Demolition Derby BBQ and Beer Celebration parties will tell you that that simply doesn't matter because 1,200 is only 0.00006% of the population of the US.

This is what I've been warning about for months, that there is a limited amount of these trained professionals and now hospitals are putting nursing students to work on the front lines, that's how desperate some hospitals are already.

And those people who insist on their "constitutional rights" to get tattooed and attend World Championship All Star Dancing with Apprentice Survivors of the Great American Monster Truck and Tractor Demolition Derby BBQ and Beer Celebration parties will tell you that you are a socialist commie doom crier because it hasn't happened.

Looking ahead, I can see where we may possibly reach a crisis point. Sure, there will be beds even if they have to be set up in auditoriums or civic centers, but who's going to be there to do the real hands-on work required?

You can count on the fact that it will NOT be those people who insist on their "constitutional rights" to get tattooed and attend World Championship All Star Dancing with Apprentice Survivors of the Great American Monster Truck and Tractor Demolition Derby BBQ and Beer Celebration parties because they don't want to and any attempt to force them to do so will only be a sign that you want to impose a fascist, left-wing, socialist, commie dictatorship on the US.

Will there be enough? That's my biggest fear. There simply is not an unlimited amount of healthcare workers.

Those people who insist on their "constitutional rights" to get tattooed and attend World Championship All Star Dancing with Apprentice Survivors of the Great American Monster Truck and Tractor Demolition Derby BBQ and Beer Celebration parties will tell you that you are a socialist commie doom crier and if you hadn't wanted exactly that to happen you would have voted for Mr. Trump.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

I don't know where you get your statistics but they're wrong. 8,000 people do not die every day from Covid-19, that's completely inaccurate. According the the CDC, 82,000 people are currently hospitalized, not dead. The daily death toll on Friday alone was 1,800 people. Even at the height of the pandemic in the Northeast, it never got that high. There is 1,440 minutes in 24 hours, so that means that on Friday, someone died nearly every minute of the day. And you think I'm being pessimistic?

Did you happen to notice that the 7.969.7 column was labeled "Average deaths / day ALL CAUSES" (emphasis added) and NOT "Average COVID-19 deaths / day" and that the original comment was that the "Average deaths / day ALL CAUSES" currently was approximately the same as it was historically?

Of course, if you historically had 100 d/d from "Cause A" and 100 d/d from "Cause B" and 100 d/d from "Cause C" and 0 d/d from "Cause D" and you now have 50 d/d from "Cause A" and 50 d/d from "Cause B" and 50 d/d from "Cause C" and 150 d/d from "Cause D" you still have the same "Total d/d" of 300 which, to those people who are insisting on their constitutional rights to get tattooed and attend World Championship All Star Dancing with Apprentice Survivors of the Great American Monster Truck and Tractor Demolition Derby BBQ and Beer Celebration parties would mean that absolutely nothing whatsoever had changed and everyone should get on with their lives without any restrictions at all.

In fact, for the people who are insisting on the constitutional rights to get tattooed and attend World Championship All Star Dancing with Apprentice Survivors of the Great American Monster Truck and Tractor Demolition Derby BBQ and Beer Celebration parties if the current situation was 50 d/d from "Cause A" and 50 d/d from "Cause B" and 50 d/d from "Cause C" and 100 d/d from "Cause D" then Mr. Trump should be being lauded for "massively lowering the d/d from "Cause A", "Cause B", and "Cause C" as well as lowering the "Total d/d"".

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Actually these things do kill people. There’s no point in being physically alive and dead inside.

you are free to live this life if you want. You have no right to force it on others.

But, as far as you are concerned, YOU do have the right to endanger MY health by your cavalier attitude.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Actually I have every right to live my daily life and you have no right to be safe from any virus I might have. You may feel free to socially distance yourself out of my life if you don’t like it.

Your statement easily translates into "I have the right to beat you to a pulp if I feel like it. You are free to run away if you don't like it.".

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

There isn't a single person in this country that can say they haven't been warned that this was coming, well, it's here. Do people really understand what this all means? This pandemic is completely out of control, it's over the edge. States like Iowa and S. Dakota are poised to 'ration care', so what does that actually mean? It means nothing other than medical staff are going to make choices as to who lives and who dies. There's just not enough medical staff to deal with this and it's something I've been trying to warn the most steadfast deniers of this pandemic about.

Here's where we are today as far as infection rates in many states. Before you read the stats, bear in mind that New York, even at the apex of the worst days they had in March and April, never reached an infection rate above 22.7%. They got it down to under 1% by August and it began going up again in Sept. and is currently at 2.4%

The CDC recommends keeping the infection rate under 5 - 8%

Indiana 42%
Montana 25%
South Dakota 57%
Iowa 52%
Missouri 23%
Alabama 24%
Pennsylvania 23%

Record hospitalizations four days in a row; Alaska, Oregon, Idaho, Utah, Colorado, New Mexico, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa, Illinois, Indiana, Missouri, Arkansas, Kentucky, Ohio, West Virginia, Maine

If there was an organized army whose only task was to infect and possibly kill thousands of Americans, that army would be the super spreader events of all the Trump rallies in these particular states. It would be a motorcycle rally in Sturgis, S. Dakota where 500,000 mask-less bikers spent 10 days spreading their virus cells.

The refusal of Trump's administration is shaping Biden's efficacy at controlling this virus. Getting a vaccine out to the entire country is going to be an even greater challenge to Biden. Distribution of a vaccine is an operational process. If there is no smooth transition then efforts will not be optimized, and they need to be. We're in a crisis and making the best or most effective use of this transition is just absolutely vital to prevent more deaths.

Trump is now Officer Derek Chauvin and we're George Floyd, we're all George Floyd.
He and his buddies have their knees on our necks, trying to cut off our oxygen.
He's laying seige to America's elections, to our very democracy itself.
This is SEDITION.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

But, as far as you are concerned, YOU do have the right to endanger MY health by your cavalier attitude.

No, because living a normal life is not a source of danger to your health that I have any obligation to prevent.

you have every right to lock yourself in your house and be as safe as you wish to be.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Trump is now Officer Derek Chauvin and we're George Floyd, we're all George Floyd.
He and his buddies have their knees on our necks, trying to cut off our oxygen.
He's laying seige to America's elections, to our very democracy itself.
This is SEDITION.

No, I am not overdosing on fentanyl, so I am not George Floyd.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Your statement easily translates into "I have the right to beat you to a pulp if I feel like it. You are free to run away if you don't like it.".

No, because beating someone up is an affirmative act.

 

[calamity]

I blame stupid right wingers. And, the numbers prove I am right to do so.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

I blame stupid right wingers. And, the numbers prove I am right to do so.

Maybe the people in South Dakota prefer to have a normal life and accept the risk. That is a perfectly valid political decision.

 

[weaver2]

Maybe the people in South Dakota prefer to have a normal life and accept the risk. That is a perfectly valid political decision.

How do you propose to keep the soaring COVID virus isolated in South Dakota and not spreading to people who do not want the risk. You have a right to live a normal life when times are normal. This pandemic is not normal times. I have seen 2 year olds act in ways more sophisticated and responsibly than your incredibly childish behavior.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

How do you propose to keep the soaring COVID virus isolated in South Dakota and not spreading to people who do not want the risk. You have a right to live a normal life when times are normal. This pandemic is not normal times. I have seen 2 year olds act in ways more sophisticated and responsibly than your incredibly childish behavior.

You do not get to choose the exact mathematical risks to yourself. You have no right to expect others modify behavior to protect you from a threat so minute in risk and remote in responsibility. You can stay home far easier then the rest of society can.

 

[weaver2]

You do not get to choose the exact mathematical risks to yourself. You have no right to expect others modify behavior to protect you from a threat so minute in risk and remote in responsibility. You can stay home far easier then the rest of society can.

Individuals don't get to choose, you are right about that. However governments do get to choose how to handle national situations and it has the right to impose regulations on clueless idiots who won't cooperate with safety measures during unusual times.

 

[HumblePi]

No, because living a normal life is not a source of danger to your health that I have any obligation to prevent.

you have every right to lock yourself in your house and be as safe as you wish to be.

I think that most people in the world today would agree that there is no 'normal' to life anywhere today. Everyone is making sacrifices that they thought they would never have to make and it's only because a global pandemic has demanded that we no longer have day-to-day normal lives. People need to stand back and look at the big picture here. People will die simply because others were careless.

 

[jonny5]

I was kind of hoping the fear mongering was done with the election, but I guess we still have a couple months to go.