The Universe has such a perfect design(Perhaps it is intelligent design?)

[MisterLogical]

I can think of an argument for why god exists or why it must have been created. There is a set way of things. The system seems to always regulate everything else. If it was not created its a little odd that the system is so perfect.

The rules of life

Creatures are born and reproduce to make offspring

The older offspring die after a time and sometimes only live long enough to make new offspring

When the older creatures die it makes sure there is room for the fresh new offspring to take over and continue the cycle

In addiction there is also other obstacles to make sure populations do not overgrow

most living creatures (Aside from creatures like plants) must live by killing other creatures(One of the obstacles)

Creatures make bonds with each other in some cases to make sure they survive

Other Obstacles-
Disease
Fight for resources
Predators
natural disasters

In an ideal world all creatures would be like plants and get energy from the sun

Yet we are not

Research has shown some creatures have a set number of times cells can replicate before they stop or become obsolete(At which point you start to die)

When there is a lot of prey, Predators population rise, When too many predators are born the prey population goes down and some of the predators die, so the prey population goes up and the cycle continues forever

Now, we do not question these things, but we understand this is how it is and how it has always been but why? If this stuff happens randomly like science says it has why is it so perfect? In fact why are there even rules to how stuff happens to begin with? Why does magic not exist?

So if someone wanted to argue intelligent design I believe they would have some reason to believe this is the case.


Now think about this

Computer programs have a set system
People have systems for dealing with the masses

If we are made in gods image, was god just one of us?

Though that leaves even more unsettling questions, if there is a creator where did they come from?

 

[SmokeAndMirrors]

You're looking at this backwards. Nature is not "perfect" for us. We evolved based on the environment that already existed. It wasn't set up for us. We're set up for it. Intelligent design is for people who don't understand this concept.

And besides that, it's not perfect at all. That's the whole reason we have stuff like genetic disease. There have been half a dozen mass extinctions, some wiping out nearly all life, often caused by certain life forms getting out control because nature failed to keep it balanced. Every time an animal goes extinct, it's because there was a failure in the balance -- and that has happened billions of times. And it won't continue forever, because planets and stars themselves eventually fail. Nothing keeps itself in balance forever. There is no regulation -- it fails all the time. Every day.

Even if we just look at humans, we have our sewer system right next to our fun zones, teeth that start to rot away halfway through our life cycle, some of the worst spines in the entire animal kingdom, and our heads are so huge that we have to be born while we're still technically fetuses just so we don't kill our mothers on the way out.

There's all kinds of stuff that is nowhere near perfect, both on the macro scale and the micro one. Evolution is random, and that randomness is clearly on display in millions of different ways. Nature doesn't think, and it doesn't care whether we're successful or not. What evolution has to work with is decided by whatever random grab-back of mutations are currently available to it, and whoever doesn't die wins. That's not a recipe for perfect design, and consequently we don't see perfect design.

If an actual engineer had made any of this stuff, they would have done a much better job.

 

[ludin]

I can think of an argument for why god exists or why it must have been created. There is a set way of things. The system seems to always regulate everything else. If it was not created its a little odd that the system is so perfect.

The rules of life

Creatures are born and reproduce to make offspring

The older offspring die after a time and sometimes only live long enough to make new offspring

When the older creatures die it makes sure there is room for the fresh new offspring to take over and continue the cycle

In addiction there is also other obstacles to make sure populations do not overgrow

most living creatures (Aside from creatures like plants) must live by killing other creatures(One of the obstacles)

Creatures make bonds with each other in some cases to make sure they survive

Other Obstacles-
Disease
Fight for resources
Predators
natural disasters

In an ideal world all creatures would be like plants and get energy from the sun

Yet we are not

Research has shown some creatures have a set number of times cells can replicate before they stop or become obsolete(At which point you start to die)

When there is a lot of prey, Predators population rise, When too many predators are born the prey population goes down and some of the predators die, so the prey population goes up and the cycle continues forever

Now, we do not question these things, but we understand this is how it is and how it has always been but why? If this stuff happens randomly like science says it has why is it so perfect? In fact why are there even rules to how stuff happens to begin with? Why does magic not exist?

So if someone wanted to argue intelligent design I believe they would have some reason to believe this is the case.


Now think about this

Computer programs have a set system
People have systems for dealing with the masses

If we are made in gods image, was god just one of us?

Though that leaves even more unsettling questions, if there is a creator where did they come from?

there is more evidence for intelligent design than there is for random chance nonsense that people spew.

some of the greatest evolutionary minds have calculated the odds for evolution and the numbers are in the stratosphere to the point that
science say it is impossible.

same goes for the big bang theory and this was even backed up by the latest in the higgs boson that said the big bang would have collapsed
the universe instead of expanding it.

not only that some of the greatest minds in science have calculated that the big bang is impossible scientifically.
so if evolutionist say that it is scientifically not possible
and people like Rodger Penrose and Hawking say the big bang is not possible.

I would tend to listen to them.

 

[William Rea]

there is more evidence for intelligent design...

When some turns up, give us a shout. I'd like to see it.

 

[ludin]

When some turns up, give us a shout. I'd like to see it.

if you would have read the rest of my post you would have seen it but you ignored it and cut my post up.
way to be dishonest.

 

[Summerwind]

if you would have read the rest of my post you would have seen it but you ignored it and cut my post up.
way to be dishonest.

You provide in your other post reasons why you don't believe the current scientific explanations. You gave no evidence for intelligent design.

 

[QuadpolarNutjob]

i don't think a universe with fire ants is perfect eace
not for me anyway!

 

[William Rea]

if you would have read the rest of my post you would have seen it but you ignored it and cut my post up.
way to be dishonest.

Not dishonest at all, I put a '...' at the end of the quote to show that I had snipped it. However, let's not be so concise and keep the full quote and ask the same question.

there is more evidence for intelligent design than there is for random chance nonsense that people spew.

some of the greatest evolutionary minds have calculated the odds for evolution and the numbers are in the stratosphere to the point that
science say it is impossible.

same goes for the big bang theory and this was even backed up by the latest in the higgs boson that said the big bang would have collapsed
the universe instead of expanding it.

not only that some of the greatest minds in science have calculated that the big bang is impossible scientifically.
so if evolutionist say that it is scientifically not possible
and people like Rodger Penrose and Hawking say the big bang is not possible.

I would tend to listen to them.

When some evidence turns up, give us a shout. I'd like to see it.

Perhaps you could use some of this 'evidence' at the link below because, if you have some then a Nobel Prize is in the bag for you.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/science-and-technology/207258-intelligent-design-new-evidence.html

 

[DDD]

When some evidence turns up, give us a shout. I'd like to see it.

Perhaps you could use some of this 'evidence' at the link below because, if you have some then a Nobel Prize is in the bag for you.

I would personally package and ship additional prizes, at my cost too!

 

[Johnny Ace]

''Every one who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe-a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble.

The scientists’ religious feeling takes the form of a rapturous amazement at the harmony of natural law, which reveals an intelligence of such superiority that, compared with it, all the systematic thinking and acting of human beings is an utterly insignificant reflection.''

– Albert Einstein

 

[roughdraft274]

not only that some of the greatest minds in science have calculated that the big bang is impossible scientifically.
so if evolutionist say that it is scientifically not possible
and people like Rodger Penrose and Hawking say the big bang is not possible.

Can you please give me a source or a quote for Hawking or Penrose saying that the big bang theory is impossible? I've searched for them and can't seem to find anything.

 

[MisterLogical]

You're looking at this backwards. Nature is not "perfect" for us. We evolved based on the environment that already existed. It wasn't set up for us. We're set up for it. Intelligent design is for people who don't understand this concept.

And besides that, it's not perfect at all. That's the whole reason we have stuff like genetic disease. There have been half a dozen mass extinctions, some wiping out nearly all life, often caused by certain life forms getting out control because nature failed to keep it balanced. Every time an animal goes extinct, it's because there was a failure in the balance -- and that has happened billions of times. And it won't continue forever, because planets and stars themselves eventually fail. Nothing keeps itself in balance forever. There is no regulation -- it fails all the time. Every day.

Even if we just look at humans, we have our sewer system right next to our fun zones, teeth that start to rot away halfway through our life cycle, some of the worst spines in the entire animal kingdom, and our heads are so huge that we have to be born while we're still technically fetuses just so we don't kill our mothers on the way out.

There's all kinds of stuff that is nowhere near perfect, both on the macro scale and the micro one. Evolution is random, and that randomness is clearly on display in millions of different ways. Nature doesn't think, and it doesn't care whether we're successful or not. What evolution has to work with is decided by whatever random grab-back of mutations are currently available to it, and whoever doesn't die wins. That's not a recipe for perfect design, and consequently we don't see perfect design.

If an actual engineer had made any of this stuff, they would have done a much better job.

I never said it was perfect for a us. A system can be perfect regardless of us. The system follows a set of rules, and it regulates those rules regardless of how we feel about it. That is not how the world works. The system does not even have someone pulling the pieces either. Its like an automatic computer program and even if you say all this you are still missing the point. Extinction and everything else is irrelevant since you do not answer why there is a system of rules to begin with. When I said the system is perfect that means its consistent and can constantly regulate itself.

Why do we die
Why do we have a set life span
Why do we make more of us than just living forever
Why is there disease
Why do all of these things regulate everything else
Why are we here to begin with?

People say "Well its not perfect since it does not cater to mankind". Well we do not matter, and we never did. The system exist if we do or not, and even when we leave earth the system will still be here. Why is there a system at all though? Why is there a regulation of death and birth? Why do we need to kill to survive? Why can things not be peaceful? Why do we need conflict? Humans have created new systems that are built around the already existing rules so we can defy the rules of nature, but no matter what we do nature still wins doesn't it? We are not plants, and we not efficient enough to make food without killing other creatures.