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The U.S. national debt is rising by $1 trillion about every 100 days

:D Hello Mr Rawls!

You are hidden behind a veil, and will have to partake in an economy. You can partake in one in which some generations live incredibly irresponsibly at the expense of others, or an economy in which no generation lives at the expense of their children and grandchildren.....

How is one generation living at the expense of future generations?
 
We need dozens of more threads saying this is "unsustainable" by those who can neither explain why nor offer a suggestion on what to do about it.
I know this is old, but I need to add....

They tell us it's "unsustainable", but they can't tell us when it will end nor do they know that they've been making this claim for over 85 years.
 
How is one generation living at the expense of future generations?
Ironically, the baby boomers benefitted from past generations spending and are refusing to bear the cost for future generations, and that is the expense the future will have to pay.

For example, cutting education, healthcare and infrastructure to name just a few, to save billions will cost future generation trillions in earnings and wealth and standard of living.
 
in which no generation lives at the expense of their children and grandchildren.....
You mean no generation will invest in the future? Brilliant.

Let me just give a simple example of how $15 million dollars generated trillions in revenue for future generations.

Are you ready....

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The amount of Dollars brought in by US taxes, does not meet the Dollars spent by the US Congress.
 
How about both sides start cutting spending. We can start by cutting aid to both Israel and Ukraine.
How about we start by cutting all Trump spending on jets he is not legally allowed to accept and a ball room nobody wants in the WH.
 
If you want to address the problem, it's a step in the right direction. Republicans don't actually want to address the problem, though. They just want to use it. If they wanted to address the problem, they wouldn't keep giving the ultra-rich more tax cuts.
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Before you can even THINK about filling in a hole (reduce the debt), you first have to stop digging the hole deeper (increasing spending).

That means, NO NEW SPENDING!!

After we've established that, then we can think about whether to increase taxes or use another means to fill in the hole.
So.

That Big Beautiful Bill thing...
 
The amount of Dollars brought in by US taxes, does not meet the Dollars spent by the US Congress.
Over the long term, of dollars in equaled dollars out the economy could not grow without deflation.

Deflation as a result of spending out=taxes in, over the long term, results in economies that cannot grow.
 
This is not sustainable.

it actually is sustainable

many will tell you massive debt is good - I don't think it is, but at 37-38 trillion and rising it will never be paid off

only defaulting will get us out of it

eventually it'll be 75-100 trillion
 
This is not sustainable.

The debt load of the U.S. is growing at a quicker clip[url] in recent months, increasing about $1 trillion nearly every 100 days.... U.S. debt, which is the amount of money the federal government borrows to cover operating expenses, now stands at nearly $34.4 billion, as of Wednesday. Bank of America investment strategist Michael Hartnett believes the 100-day pattern will remain intact with the move from $34 trillion to $35 trillion....​
Moody’s Investors Service lowered its ratings outlook on the U.S. government to negative from stable in November due to the rising risks of the country’s fiscal strength. “In the context of higher interest rates, without effective fiscal policy measures to reduce government spending or increase revenues,” the agency said. “Moody’s expects that the US’ fiscal deficits will remain very large, significantly weakening debt affordability.”​



For those who think "Just Raise Taxes" is the solution:

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We have had tax rates a lot higher - and didn't collect anywhere close to the % of GDP we need.
We have a spending problem, not a revenue problem.

This is simple.

Freeze all government spending to the past year + inflation and population % increase.
 
But raising taxes did work back in 1993.
Let’s put the entire economy in perspective, if we do this we’ll see that while we slowed the increase in spending, what super-escalated revenues was not tax rate increases, but we experienced the greatest revolution in business since the railroad—a near total conversion of our economy and businesses to computers.

Some might speculate we are going to see that again with AI, wouldn’t count on it.
 
This is simple.
It is not, I assure you, not as simple as you think it is. Which is to say, it is complex, but not difficult, where complexity is in the number and connections between ideas and difficult is where advanced problem solving is required. Think of it like the difference between a puzzle, where fitting the pieces together is easy, but finding the right fit is hard, and a Rubix cube, where conceptually it is easy to see what needs to be done, but hard to figure out how. Economics is understanding the relationships between ideas, more like a puzzle. Trying to predict in economics, that is difficult.

Let me see if we can have a back and forth conversation and see if I can explain.

First, tell me what all new sources of US dollars are in the US economy. How does new money enter the economy?

Then tell me how US dollars cease to exist? How are dollars destroyed? Assuming you think they are.
 
Let’s put the entire economy in perspective, if we do this we’ll see that while we slowed the increase in spending, what super-escalated revenues was not tax rate increases, but we experienced the greatest revolution in business since the railroad—a near total conversion of our economy and businesses to computers.
Did you really miss the part where Bush 43 created massive deficits? And that about half of those deficits were caused by Bush's tax cuts?

Even Bush's spending on two wars is a relatively small component of the subsequent deficits.

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Over the long term, of dollars in equaled dollars out the economy could not grow without deflation.

Deflation as a result of spending out=taxes in, over the long term, results in economies that cannot grow.

Wrong. Real economic growth is driven by increases in productivity and trade and can and has occurred regardless of how much or how little the idiot government spends.
 
Wrong. Real economic growth is driven by increases in productivity and trade and can and has occurred regardless of how much or how little the idiot government spends.

As always, you fail to account for savings from income. Our economy is not a perpetual motion machine. Too many demand leakages.
 
Right. Because it's not like cutting taxes results in reduced revenues. :rolleyes:
Let's see. According to the Monthly Treasury reports, in April 2018 before the Trump tax cuts our nation had $510 Billion in revenue. In April 2025, we brought in $850 Billion.

In fact, annual revenues have never decreased year-over-year since the Trump tax cuts.
 
Let's see. According to the Monthly Treasury reports, in April 2018 before the Trump tax cuts our nation had $510 Billion in revenue. In April 2025, we brought in $850 Billion.

In fact, annual revenues have never decreased year-over-year since the Trump tax cuts.

Don't forget those tariffs. trump's "tax cuts" were actually a big tax increase.
 
Don't forget those tariffs. trump's "tax cuts" were actually a big tax increase.
I'm largely a free-trader and tariffs make me very nervous. If used as a negotiation tactic designed to get to real free trade and reduce trade barriers or to place pressure on a bellicose state, ok. I believe President Trump has done tariffs very poorly and this is not something I will defend him on.

That being said, this does not change the fact that even before the tariffs were imposed, federal income revenues have continued to increase year-over-year despite the Trump tax cuts.
 
Let's see. According to the Monthly Treasury reports, in April 2018 before the Trump tax cuts our nation had $510 Billion in revenue. In April 2025, we brought in $850 Billion.

In fact, annual revenues have never decreased year-over-year since the Trump tax cuts.
I'm actually driving, and dictating to my phone, or I'd look this up myself, but you have to consider taxes relative to overall spending.
 
Wrong. Real economic growth is driven by increases in productivity and trade and can and has occurred regardless of how much or how little the idiot government spends.
So then if the economy had one dollar, explain to us how the number of dollars would increase using the logic above in the system we have right now.
 
I'm actually driving, and dictating to my phone, or I'd look this up myself, but you have to consider taxes relative to overall spending.
Why would that be? I mean, surely our deficit is a direct result of taking the amount of revenue by taxes and comparing to government outlays. But I think were the discussion would be is which value is deemed primary. Do we look at our spending and then raise taxes to increase revenue? Or do we look at our revenue and decide we need to decrease spending?

My contention is that we need to keep in mind that whenever we are talking about policies involving people, we are looking at an organic, not a mechanical system. A mechanical system is like the car you are driving right now. If you move the steering wheel to the left, it pivots a steering shaft and gear mechanism that converts the wheel’s rotational input into side-to-side motion, which angles the front wheels and changes the car’s direction. It is predictable every time you do so.

Human behavior is like traffic. While the normal state of traffic is largely predictable, when you add a new stimuli--a deer jumping out of a ditch, a tire blowing out on the RV in front of you, a police officer merging into traffic--everything changes--many times in chaotic and unpredictable ways which compounds with the actions of other drivers.

When you raise taxes on people, they act in their own interest. This might be just not having as much money to go out to dinner, not buying that new car, moving to another state, or even companies moving out of the country or at least their funding to tax-friendly accounts overseas. Take the Luxury Tax of 1991. It was imposed to raise revenue and rich people's yachts seemed like a politically easy thing to do. Except, this one act largely destroyed the American Yacht Industry which had previously been one of the biggest in the world, over 10,000 Americans lost jobs and the government later would find it actually lost revenue. Taxes can be that deer jumping onto the highway.

For the record, I do not agree with cutting taxes any more and was not altogether pleased with the no-tax on tips provisions. Although the impact is probably not too great as I would imagine that the tax load for most of those that this would apply to would be that much anyway. But, I see calls that we should have scrapped the 2018 tax cuts as a pretty big deer jumping into traffic.

For example, if the 2018 tax cuts had not been extended, a married family of 4 with an total income of $80,000 per year would have seen their tax liability increase by $3370. That's nearly $300 a month they would no longer have available to pay for groceries, gasoline, rent, etc. Like I said, that's a pretty darn big deer.

That is why I think we are at the point where we need to begin limiting the increases in government spending to allow for the economic growth to provide more revenue without touching rates to where the defict/GDP begins to shrink.
 
So then if the economy had one dollar, explain to us how the number of dollars would increase using the logic above in the system we have right now.

If the economy had one dollar, people would use something else for a medium of exchange.
 
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