The Transgender Fad

[Cordelier]

He is NOT COMFORTABLE! You must have not read most of the thread. He is often suicidal.

And I am NOT passing judgement! I am writing my opinion privately and anonymously! I would never say anything like this to any transgender person!

I have tried and tried and tried to explain that transgenderism might not even be a psychological reality.

As for my gender identity -- I wondered about it a lot as a teenager. I wondered what it really meant to be female. I didn't want the traditional female role. I have actually wondered about gender identity my whole life.

I eventually realized it isn't real, not the way we are brought up to think it is. Being female is just a part of how I look, and how I act to the social world.

Now that, since I am retired, I spend all my time singing I wound up being very glad I am female. Of course men can sing well also, but I think it's just better if you have higher pitch.

I also feel that women have prettier clothes, and better hairstyle options.

But if I were a man I would NOT have surgery and hormones to get those little advantages!

I get that he's having psychological problems... but let's face it, you don't have to be a transgender teenager for that to be the case. Lots of people have mental health issues. If they're more prevalent among the teenage LGBT community, don't you think it might possibly be because of the intense pressures to conform?

 

[Good4Nothin]

I get that he's having psychological problems... but let's face it, you don't have to be a transgender teenager for that to be the case. Lots of people have mental health issues. If they're more prevalent among the teenage LGBT community, don't you think it might possibly be because of the intense pressures to conform?

I have NOT said his problems result from being transgender or from taking hormones. How could I possibly know? But maybe it is somehow related. Or it could be something else.

 

[Good4Nothin]

The main thing that has really made me female is having loved men, in a way I never loved women. All the rest is superficial.

 

[Lisa]

Then I would be a homosexual. The only thing that makes us have the drives of a woman is sex. Or maybe taking care of babies (although men can do that too). What do you mean by feeling like a woman? That is my question. I explained that I DO NOT feel like a woman if I am alone, doing something unrelated to being a woman. If I see myself in a mirror then I remember, oh I am a woman. A short woman, who is not exactly young. All those things are how the world sees me. And I have to be aware of how the world sees me, and I have to act in accordance with my social image.

But my INNER SELF???? NO. My inner self is something very different from my social role and outward appearance. I guess the transgender crowd never studied any spiritual traditions.

My inner self is not male or female. So the whole transgender theory is a pile of nonsense.

Writing this post helped me figure out why I have been so confused about transgenderism. Now I feel very sorry for my friend and his son, because they have confused outward social persona within the true inner Self.

You are confusing a persons sexual orientation with their psychological gender identity. The sexual orientation determines who they want to sleep with. Their gender identity determines who they see themselves as internally and how they project themselves and relates to others psychologically.

 

[Good4Nothin]

You are confusing a persons sexual orientation with their psychological gender identity. The sexual orientation determines who they want to sleep with. Their gender identity determines who they see themselves as internally and how they project themselves and relates to others psychologically.

No I have not confused those. You have not read what I wrote. I tried very hard to explain it.

 

[Lisa]

No I have not confused those. You have not read what I wrote. I tried very hard to explain it.

yes you have confused them.

If I see myself in a mirror then I remember, oh I am a woman. A short woman, who is not exactly young. All those things are how the world sees me. And I have to be aware of how the world sees me, and I have to act in accordance with my social image.

What the world sees in them before they transition is not who they are and it both horrifies them and causes them to feel trapped in their own body with the desire to be who they truly are and not who someone wants or expects them to be.

When a transgendered person looks in the mirror the person who they see is not at all who they feel that they are. They feel trapped inside of the wrong body and feel that they must live as someone else because that is what others expect them to be and they are miserable for it. That feeling is the definition of gender dysphoria. The core idea and goal of transitioning is for them to align themselves, both physically and emotionally with what others see so they are not living a lie and what others see is who they view themselves as. It is not a perfect process and medical science is a bit crude but as of right now it is the best that can be done to give a transgendered person some piece of mind and feeling of being whole in their own skin.

There are many transgendered people who are also gay or bi in their gender identity.

 

[William Rea]

People are too trusting of experts these days, but this goes far beyond any legitimate medical practice. The people victimizing these children are perverts, plain and simple. In a civilized society, they would be taken out and shot.

Pol Pot had similar ideas about intellectuals and academics.

 

[Good4Nothin]

yes you have confused them.

What the world sees in them before they transition is not who they are and it both horrifies them and causes them to feel trapped in their own body with the desire to be who they truly are and not who someone wants or expects them to be.

When a transgendered person looks in the mirror the person who they see is not at all who they feel that they are. They feel trapped inside of the wrong body and feel that they must live as someone else because that is what others expect them to be and they are miserable for it. That feeling is the definition of gender dysphoria. The core idea and goal of transitioning is for them to align themselves, both physically and emotionally with what others see so they are not living a lie and what others see is who they view themselves as. It is not a perfect process and medical science is a bit crude but as of right now it is the best that can be done to give a transgendered person some piece of mind and feeling of being whole in their own skin.

There are many transgendered people who are also gay or bi in their gender identity.

You are just repeating the myth. Over and over. Repeating something doesn't make it true. I have explained that who we are deep inside is unrelated to gender. You don't respond to my arguments, just repeat the myth you were told.

 

[Good4Nothin]

Transgenderism assumes that a person's core sense of being depends on gender. I am saying that we can be unhappy with our biological gender (or our height, or hair color, etc.), without needing medical interventions.

Unhappiness with aspects of our external selves is common in adolescence, but can occur any time. I think gender dysphoria is just another one of these. But medical science has rushed into "fixing" it, out of political correctness.

 

[AmNat]

Pol Pot had similar ideas about intellectuals and academics.

Every government executes and/or imprisons people. The difference between a civilized society and the communist tyrannies you endorse consists in who is being executed or imprisoned. As a general rule, executing or imprisoning child abusers is a good thing, while executing or imprisoning random people is a bad thing.

 

[Lisa]

Transgenderism assumes that a person's core sense of being depends on gender. I am saying that we can be unhappy with our biological gender (or our height, or hair color, etc.), without needing medical interventions.

Unhappiness with aspects of our external selves is common in adolescence but can occur at any time. I think gender dysphoria is just another one of these. But medical science has rushed into "fixing" it, out of political correctness.

It is very obvious that you understand very little about human sexuality because you do not differentiate sexual orientation from gender identity. You also do not understand the difference between nature and nurture. Your knowledge of the subject seems to be about 50 years too late.

Why should someone be forced to be unhappy in their gender identity when that problem can be effectively addressed? Should people with depression or anxiety disorders also be told to just think happy thoughts and go on with their life, even though there are drugs that can treat the situation, even when they are also not perfect 100% of the time?

You are so convinced that all transgender people have problems, just as you claim to see with the son of a friend and as such have extrapolated that the transgendered cure is worse than the disease and as such should not be medically addressed. I am not saying that there are not some Drs who have diagnosed people with being transgendgered who are not, but as a whole, the treatment does work to give transgendered people a better quality of life and it should not be discourged or ended because of a few rogue providers, be they doctors or psychologists with an agenda of greed or somehow have a progressional bias.

 

[Good4Nothin]

It is very obvious that you understand very little about human sexuality because you do not differentiate sexual orientation from gender identity. You also do not understand the difference between nature and nurture. Your knowledge of the subject seems to be about 50 years too late.

Why should someone be forced to be unhappy in their gender identity when that problem can be effectively addressed? Should people with depression or anxiety disorders also be told to just think happy thoughts and go on with their life, even though there are drugs that can treat the situation, even when they are also not perfect 100% of the time?

You are so convinced that all transgender people have problems, just as you claim to see with the son of a friend and as such have extrapolated that the transgendered cure is worse than the disease and as such should not be medically addressed. I am not saying that there are not some Drs who have diagnosed people with being transgendgered who are not, but as a whole, the treatment does work to give transgendered people a better quality of life and it should not be discourged or ended because of a few rogue providers, be they doctors or psychologists with an agenda of greed or somehow have a progressional bias.

I differentiate between sexual orientation and sexual identity. You failed to read what I wrote. And I addressed nature vs nurture. I explained that, according to recent psychological research, personality traits are partly inborn.

The medical interventions for gender dysphoria are primitive, as I explained. You cannot turn a biologically normal female into a male, or vice versa.

And depression and anxiety should NOT be suppressed with drugs, unless absolutely necessary and only for a short time! We have many millions of Americans on those drugs, and NO ONE KNOWS what damage they can cause! There are effective natural ways of treating those disorders, which should always be tried first!

 

[Lisa]

I differentiate between sexual orientation and sexual identity. You failed to read what I wrote. And I addressed nature vs nurture. I explained that, according to recent psychological research, personality traits are partly inborn.

You have proven multiple times that you do not differentiate between what gender or sexual characteristics are innate at birth and what is developed with age and social norms. The work of John Money and others seems to be unknown by you.

The medical interventions for gender dysphoria are primitive, as I explained. You cannot turn a biologically normal female into a male, or vice versa.

They are not optional but they are quite effective at giving the person some relief from their incongruent psychological gender identity. Transgender people would love to be able to change their DNA, so they could fully change their body as well as reproduce in their identified gender but that is not yet medically possible. We do not see a person's DNA when we meet them but only their appearance and how they dress and present themselves, so the DNA is not necessary for an effective gender identity change.

And depression and anxiety should NOT be suppressed with drugs, unless absolutely necessary and only for a short time! We have many millions of Americans on those drugs, and NO ONE KNOWS what damage they can cause! There are effective natural ways of treating those disorders, which should always be tried first!

What are these natural means of effectively controlling depression and anxiety that worlk better than the current pharmacological solutions?

 

[CLAX1911]

Pol Pot had similar ideas about intellectuals and academics.

Pol pot was a socialist.

 

[Good4Nothin]

You have proven multiple times that you do not differentiate between what gender or sexual characteristics are innate at birth and what is developed with age and social norms. The work of John Money and others seems to be unknown by you.

They are not optional but they are quite effective at giving the person some relief from their incongruent psychological gender identity. Transgender people would love to be able to change their DNA, so they could fully change their body as well as reproduce in their identified gender but that is not yet medically possible. We do not see a person's DNA when we meet them but only their appearance and how they dress and present themselves, so the DNA is not necessary for an effective gender identity change.


What are these natural means of effectively controlling depression and anxiety that worlk better than the current pharmacological solutions?

Personality traits are partly inborn. Gender identity is partly inborn. That does NOT mean gender identity is a central aspect of who we are! Females tend to be more nurturing and males tend to be more aggressive. But you can be a more aggressive female or a more nurturing male. There are NOT simply two distinct gender identities!

Transgender ideology is full of myths and misconceptions.

 

[Good4Nothin]

What are these natural means of effectively controlling depression and anxiety that worlk better than the current pharmacological solutions?

Wow. So you have never heard of any way of dealing with unhappiness aside from drugs. What a sick society this is.

 

[Lisa]

Wow. So you have never heard of any way of dealing with unhappiness aside from drugs. What a sick society this is.

Drop the passive aggressive replies.

Drugs are part of the treatment process when combined with some form of talk therapy.

 

[Lisa]

Pol pot was a socialist.

Pol pot was a violent communist dictator. He wasn't a socialist. He tried to turn Cambodia back 400 years into an agrarian feudal society and it cost millions their lives.

 

[Good4Nothin]

Pol pot was a violent communist dictator. He wasn't a socialist. He tried to turn Cambodia back 400 years into an agrarian feudal society and it cost millions their lives.

There is no real difference between "socialist" and "communist." Marx thought socialism would evolve into communism, where no government would be needed any more. Yeah, great idea that was.

Pol Pot was an idealistic Marxist, doing the best he could with an insane theory. How can you rule a country where no one is allowed to own anything? How can you enforce that policy without mass murder.

All dictators murder everyone who opposes them. There is no other way to succeed as a dictator.

Socialists try to convince themselves that Marxism is a good idea, but has always somehow been taken over by psychopaths. Oh what a coincidence that would be. NO. Marxism is something a philosopher dreamed up. And people took it seriously, and many still do. And every time anyone follows the advice of the Communist Manifesto, mass murder naturally results. What else could you expect?

 

[Good4Nothin]

Drop the passive aggressive replies.

Drugs are part of the treatment process when combined with some form of talk therapy.

Well yeah, that's true. So, because something is being done that means it must be a good idea?

If you were depressed, would you immediately start taking drugs? You wouldn't be able to think of any other possibilities?

 

[CLAX1911]

Pol pot was a violent communist dictator. He wasn't a socialist.

socialism is but a stepping stone to Communism and there is but a hair's breadth of difference between the two.

I know all of you people will have gone through this faux Awakening where you think that socialism is fundamentally different than communism. I've heard it all before, and everytime I hear it it sounds more and more foolish.

Socialism requires a dictator.

He tried to turn Cambodia back 400 years into an agrarian feudal society and it cost millions their lives.

That's what socialism is.

 

[CLAX1911]

There is no real difference between "socialist" and "communist." Marx thought socialism would evolve into communism, where no government would be needed any more. Yeah, great idea that was.

Pol Pot was an idealistic Marxist, doing the best he could with an insane theory. How can you rule a country where no one is allowed to own anything? How can you enforce that policy without mass murder.

All dictators murder everyone who opposes them. There is no other way to succeed as a dictator.

Socialists try to convince themselves that Marxism is a good idea, but has always somehow been taken over by psychopaths. Oh what a coincidence that would be. NO. Marxism is something a philosopher dreamed up. And people took it seriously, and many still do. And every time anyone follows the advice of the Communist Manifesto, mass murder naturally results. What else could you expect?

People have been brainwashed by this nonsense, they don't understand socialism and communism and the deep rooted ties between them.

Basically they aren't educated about socialism Marxism and communism. For this I blame public schools.

 

[AmNat]

The work of John Money and others seems to be unknown by you.

For everyone's reference, John Money was a literal pedophile who forced young boys to engage in sexual acts while he watched and photographed them.

That is what this poster is promoting.

 

[Lisa]

For everyone's reference, John Money was a literal pedophile who forced young boys to engage in sexual acts while he watched and photographed them.

That is what this poster is promoting.

John Money was a hack who should have spent the rest of his life in prison for what he did to David Reimer but he did manage to prove that the idea of gender identity was nature and not nurture and therefore not changeable.

 

[Jason Warfield]

Not a fad a mental illness. Where does "transgender" exist anywhere else in nature?

Not sure if anyone has responded yet as I am not going through all 11 pages, so apologies if someone already has:

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Hermaphrodotism In Nature: 10 Animals That Can Be Both Male And Female