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The trans fad

Lisa said:
As I explained in a previous post the blockers and hormones do not deprive them of sexual feelings. They are still very much there even if their sex drive is diminished on estrogen. There are two supporting psychological letters needed for teenage hormones and plus doctors and such that are part of the process before surgery is approved. This is all very controlled.

The discussion and exploration of the teens sexual orientation and gender identity feelings are central to their psychological counseling process that is required as part of the testing and counseling that happens before hormones and it goes on ever after they have surgery. What did you think goes on in the twice a month counseling sessions?

You seem to think that the drugs and surgery approval letters are handed out like lollipops at the bank and there is no prior testing and no follow up counseling, but you would be very wrong. This is a decade long process for teens and 5-6 years and likely more long process for adult transgendered clients that often includes lifetime counseling, plus the hormone monitoring that is lifetime.
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Maybe you explained, but you are still wrong. You have no idea if those drugs are safe or if those drugs are good idea.

You ALWAYS think everything about transgenderism is one hundred percent great. So you probably think it's just fine for transgender women (who are biological males) to compete in sports with biological women.
 
OlNate said:
Sorry, to be clear, you think if your parents had encouraged you to explore your gender identity, you would have felt the need to have a sex change?
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I didn't specifically say sex change. I said that was one of the possible outcomes in today's world.
 
Good4Nothin said:
Also keep in mind that children are very suggestible and they have faith in their parents and doctors. If the parents and doctors are transgender affirming, the child will get the message that transitioning is a good idea.

Children don't understand that there are cultural stereotypes, they can't think deeply about these things. They think adults have magic powers and can transform them into a different sex.

If a 5 year old child wants to play with dolls and wear pink ribbons, transgender affirming parents might encourage him to identify as a girl. By the time he is 10, all his friends and teachers think of him as a girl. It would be traumatic to suddenly become a boy. So he needs puberty blockers.

The transgender road is taken from a very early age and it's hard to turn back.

I do think I have a better solution -- the way to be mentally healthy is to accept yourself as you are. Don't agonize about being the wrong height or the wrong color or the wrong sex. Accept yourself and create your life. Other people will accept you when you are genuine, even if you don't fit into some cultural stereotype.

Drugs and surgery should not be taken lightly.
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It makes me shutter to think that in today's world my parents might have encouraged me to accept my sexuality in that I might not really be a man and that it's ok to think like that. Yes, children, especially young children, are very impressionable. If the parents have a twisted sense of reality they could easily twist the reality of a young child.
 
pocket aces said:
You may make a beautiful woman.
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Thanks mom. Or dad. Since you didn't list your gender, for all I know you are transgender yourself. Why are you afraid to list your gender? Aren't you comfortable with who you are?
 
Moderate Right said:
I didn't specifically say sex change. I said that was one of the possible outcomes in today's world.
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If you were a child today playing with Barbie, your parents would have rushed you to a shrink to see if you needed to be affirmed. If not affirmed, you could suffer terrible trauma as other little boys would tease you. It would be urgent to determine if an accident of nature had caused a girl's brain to be trapped in a boy's body. Research has determined beyond doubt that this can and does happen.

If a gender dysphoric child is not affirmed, they are at risk for mental illness and suicide. If they are affirmed, on the other hand, they become perfectly happy and healthy adults. And they look exactly like the gender they have been transformed into.

But the greatest benefit of all for a male to female transgender -- you get to play sports against the girls and whip their asses every time! Not to mention being able to watch them dress in the locker room!
 
Unfortunately, the trans community, and those who support it, have no idea of the science of sex, or are just ignoring it. To claim that a person who is born female and someone who has had a "sex change" to a female are equal is ridiculous. I can't trust or support the trans community cause they refuse to see the situation realistically. If they were being realistic, I'd say, "No problem, do as you wish." But they keep turning it into a personal attack. If you don't agree with them, you are a bad person.
 
Moderate Right said:
I didn't specifically say sex change. I said that was one of the possible outcomes in today's world.
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I'm asking you directly if you felt that your parents could cause you to want to change your sex. If you're not courageous enough to answer, it's because your options are yes, they would of, which I know a "manly man" like you would never admit to, or it's no, which basically blows the idea that parents can impact their children's gender identity right out of the water, and I know you don't like to walk stuff back.

I think this might be checkmate, but I'll leave my mind open that you will come back with something interesting and on topic.... ;)
 
Good4Nothin said:
If you were a child today playing with Barbie, your parents would have rushed you to a shrink to see if you needed to be affirmed. If not affirmed, you could suffer terrible trauma as other little boys would tease you. It would be urgent to determine if an accident of nature had caused a girl's brain to be trapped in a boy's body. Research has determined beyond doubt that this can and does happen.

If a gender dysphoric child is not affirmed, they are at risk for mental illness and suicide. If they are affirmed, on the other hand, they become perfectly happy and healthy adults. And they look exactly like the gender they have been transformed into.

But the greatest benefit of all for a male to female transgender -- you get to play sports against the girls and whip their asses every time! Not to mention being able to watch them dress in the locker room!
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My goodness, but you hold some ugly views. But, yeah, it's society today that's the problem. :roll:

The death throes of your obsolete ideologies certainly are revolting to observe.
 
OlNate said:
I'm asking you directly if you felt that your parents could cause you to want to change your sex. If you're not courageous enough to answer, it's because your options are yes, they would of, which I know a "manly man" like you would never admit to, or it's no, which basically blows the idea that parents can impact their children's gender identity right out of the water, and I know you don't like to walk stuff back.

I think this might be checkmate, but I'll leave my mind open that you will come back with something interesting and on topic.... ;)
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Of course parents can influence children. And so can their friends -- that could be why the number of kids with gender dysphoria has been increasing drastically. Kids want to do whatever their friends are doing.
 
OlNate said:
My goodness, but you hold some ugly views. But, yeah, it's society today that's the problem. :roll:

The death throes of your obsolete ideologies certainly are revolting to observe.
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Well I understand, everything that is new and different has to be good, everything from the past has to be bad. That makes your life easy -- you don't have to think at all. New = good, old = bad.
 
Good4Nothin said:
The idea that you can change your sex, no problem, is the current liberal fad. The idea that a person can be a biological man and yet really and truly be a woman deep down inside, or vice versa, will be found out to be not true.

It's like tattoos -- almost everyone has them now, but someday the fad will end. You will still have that purple snake crawling on your face though.

Changing your sex is not actually simple, and believe it or not it is not actually possible. And your sex is your biological sex, not some deep down hidden true sex.

Yes there are children who insist they are the wrong sex. That doesn't mean it's true. They might grow up to be homosexuals, or maybe non-traditional for their sex.

I am female, but definitely wanted to be a boy when I was a child. Lots of little girls feel that way, if they are athletic and don't like playing with Barbie dolls. Parents have always assumed they will grow out of it, and sure enough most of them do.

Except now, if your little girl keeps wondering what happened to her penis and when will it grow back, you can take her to a doctor who, if they are woke enough, will diagnose her with gender dysphoria.

And then you can change her name from Glenda to Glen, and dress her in boy's clothes. All the other kids at school will accept her as a boy.

But uh oh, what about when she/he gets to be 13 and starts looking more like a girl than a boy? No problem, says your woke and compassionate physician, just give him/her puberty-blocking drugs. These drugs are perfectly harmless, even though they interfere with brain processes that medical science barely understands. It's the same drug given for certain types of cancer, to block sex hormones.

Then, when your little trans child gets to be 15 or 16 they can take opposite sex hormones to transform them into their true self. And eventually they can have surgery to cut off some parts and add on others.

Isn't medical science wonderful?

But wait. Maybe little Glenda would have grown up to be a normal healthy lesbian. Or maybe just a non-traditional woman who doesn't wear feminine clothes or work in typically female jobs.

Is there really a true inner sex or gender, that can differ from a person'a biological sex? That is the current liberal belief, but not everyone is convinced.

However if you are an academic or a health professional you dare not criticize this fad. If gender dysphoric children were not affirmed and helped to transition, they might kill themselves. So you would be a child killer. And you would be fired and banned from your profession.
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...and then there's conservatives....
 
The vast majority of people who publicly "transition" are compelled to seek attention, and "transiting" is the best way that they can satiate their compulsion.
 
Good4Nothin said:
Of course parents can influence children. And so can their friends -- that could be why the number of kids with gender dysphoria has been increasing drastically. Kids want to do whatever their friends are doing.
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Oh yeah? If your folks had encouraged you to explore your gender identity, you would have had your sex change by now?
 
Good4Nothin said:
Well I understand, everything that is new and different has to be good, everything from the past has to be bad. That makes your life easy -- you don't have to think at all. New = good, old = bad.
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No, not everything. Just the type of **** you spew. :shrug: I think the reason I enjoy talking to you, and encouraging you to respond in turn, is that you provide the most complete representation of all that is wrong with this world. You're the one-stop-shop of how not to be in 2020. People talk about useful idiots all the time, but in your case I think the word convenient is more apropos.

So, yes, you make my life easy...but not in the way you think. :)
 
OlNate said:
I'm asking you directly if you felt that your parents could cause you to want to change your sex. If you're not courageous enough to answer, it's because your options are yes, they would of, which I know a "manly man" like you would never admit to, or it's no, which basically blows the idea that parents can impact their children's gender identity right out of the water, and I know you don't like to walk stuff back.

I think this might be checkmate, but I'll leave my mind open that you will come back with something interesting and on topic.... ;)
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I don't know what in the hell you are talking about. But, try this on for size, maybe it will answer your question:

Mom forces ‘sex-change’ on 6-year-old son | Fellowship Of The Minds
 
OlNate said:
Oh yeah? If your folks had encouraged you to explore your gender identity, you would have had your sex change by now?
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Probably. But then I would have changed it back.
 
OlNate said:
No, not everything. Just the type of **** you spew. :shrug: I think the reason I enjoy talking to you, and encouraging you to respond in turn, is that you provide the most complete representation of all that is wrong with this world. You're the one-stop-shop of how not to be in 2020. People talk about useful idiots all the time, but in your case I think the word convenient is more apropos.

So, yes, you make my life easy...but not in the way you think. :)
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Well that's a coincidence. I think exactly the same about you.
 
Moderate Right said:
I don't know what in the hell you are talking about. But, try this on for size, maybe it will answer your question:

Mom forces ‘sex-change’ on 6-year-old son | Fellowship Of The Minds
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I'll pass.

Fellowship of the Minds - Media Bias/Fact Check

You seem a little flustered, though....did I touch a nerve? Which is it, Moderate? Can parents change gender identity through influence, or not? Would your playing with Barbie dolls lead to a reassignment surgery if your parents had encouraged you to explore your gender identity?
 
Good4Nothin said:
Well that's a coincidence. I think exactly the same about you.
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"I know you are but what am I"? lol... You keep missing the point. I don't care what you think. You're just an example that I use. So, thanks for continuing to respond. :)
 
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