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The thing Trump’s generals feared about him could now be arriving

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"...they’ve cast Trump’s desire to dispatch the military on US soil as one of his most troubling tendencies – and even...evidence of his authoritarianism. This issue was raised...by two Trump defense secretaries (Jim Mattis and Mark Esper), his top general (Mark Milley) and his chief of staff (John Kelly, also a retired general). All of them have cast this as a line that is not to be crossed and indicated they feared Trump would...cross it. Some even recalled...instances when Trump tried to do so or suggested it. The flashpoint for many of their comments was the scene in June 2020 when federal law enforcement cleared Lafayette Square...of racial-justice protesters. They did so right before Trump strolled through for a photo-op featuring both Milley and Esper. (Both later expressed regret for participating.) Mattis responded with a blistering – and unusual, for him – statement that warned of what the scene portended. “Militarizing our response, as we witnessed...sets up a conflict — a false conflict — between the military and civilian society...It erodes the moral ground that ensures a trusted bond between men and women in uniform and the society they are sworn to protect, and of which they themselves are a part.”

Mattis said the military should be used on US soil “only when requested to do so, on very rare occasions, by state governors.” (Trump’s deployments of the military this summer...came without requests from the governor and mayor. Esper has described a scene in which Trump asked him and Milley why the protesters couldn’t simply be shot “in the legs or something.” ...he said a large part of his job that summer was “making sure to blunt or redirect any efforts that could politicize the military, misuse the force, or undermine the nation’s security.” In a CNN interview in October, Esper even invoked the Kent State massacre, where the National Guard killed four Vietnam War protesters. “We don’t want to go back to that,” Esper said. Kelly likewise has said Trump had to be told repeatedly why he shouldn’t use the military against American citizens.... But he said Trump would just keep pressing the issue. “And I think this issue of using the military on — to go after — American citizens is one of those things I think is a very, very bad thing — even to say it for political purposes to get elected — I think it’s a very, very bad thing, let alone actually doing it,” Kelly told the New York Times last year.

In the same interview, Kelly mentioned Trump’s penchant for this while saying he met the definition of a fascist."

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By sending masked ICE thugs into LA to tear apart families, communities and businesses, Trump was able to provoke the disturbances he wanted to send in the military. I guess he isn't bothering with that anymore. It seems like he should at least provoke some violence somewhere if he's going to militarize society and sic the troops on their fellow citizens. The fighting crime angle gets his base worked up, but I'm not sure its sustainable.
 
Has anyone noticed that TACO has continually pushed the limits of law and Constitution since Jan 20 and not once has he been stopped?

And that he keeps pushing further and further...this is just 6 months in and we already have troops on the streets.
 
"...they’ve cast Trump’s desire to dispatch the military on US soil as one of his most troubling tendencies – and even...evidence of his authoritarianism. This issue was raised...by two Trump defense secretaries (Jim Mattis and Mark Esper), his top general (Mark Milley) and his chief of staff (John Kelly, also a retired general). All of them have cast this as a line that is not to be crossed and indicated they feared Trump would...cross it. Some even recalled...instances when Trump tried to do so or suggested itr even invoked the Kent State massacre, where the National Guard killed four Vietnam War protesters. “We don’t want to go back to that,” Esper said. Kelly likewise has said Trump had to be told repeatedly why he shouldn’t use the military against American citizens.... But he said Trump would just keep pressing the issue. “And I think this issue of using the military on — to go after — American citizens is one of those things I think is a very, very bad thing — even to say it for political purposes to get elected — I think it’s a very, very bad thing, let alone actually doing it,” Kelly told the New York Times last year.

In the same interview, Kelly mentioned Trump’s penchant for this while saying he met the definition of a fascist."

Link

By sending masked ICE thugs into LA to tear apart families, communities and businesses, Trump was able to provoke the disturbances he wanted to send in the military. I guess he isn't bothering with that anymore. It seems like he should at least provoke some violence somewhere if he's going to militarize society and sic the troops on their fellow citizens. The fighting crime angle gets his base worked up, but I'm not sure its sustainable.
Federal code Title 32 U.S.C. § {{{2}}} establishes and affirms that National Guard units are controlled by their respective state governors by default. While the Guard remains under state command, the Posse Comitatus Act does not apply. However, under 10 U.S.C. § 12406, the President may place a state’s National Guard under federal command if (1) the United States is invaded, (2) there is a rebellion or danger of rebellion against federal authority, or (3) the President is unable to enforce federal law with existing forces. Once federalized under Title 10, National Guard personnel are treated as active-duty military and become subject to the Posse Comitatus Act.
 
Federal code Title 32 U.S.C. § {{{2}}} establishes and affirms that National Guard units are controlled by their respective state governors by default. While the Guard remains under state command, the Posse Comitatus Act does not apply. However, under 10 U.S.C. § 12406, the President may place a state’s National Guard under federal command if (1) the United States is invaded, (2) there is a rebellion or danger of rebellion against federal authority, or (3) the President is unable to enforce federal law with existing forces. Once federalized under Title 10, National Guard personnel are treated as active-duty military and become subject to the Posse Comitatus Act.

Yes, the article notes that. Did you read what the generals said?
 
"...they’ve cast Trump’s desire to dispatch the military on US soil as one of his most troubling tendencies – and even...evidence of his authoritarianism. This issue was raised...by two Trump defense secretaries (Jim Mattis and Mark Esper), his top general (Mark Milley) and his chief of staff (John Kelly, also a retired general). All of them have cast this as a line that is not to be crossed and indicated they feared Trump would...cross it. Some even recalled...instances when Trump tried to do so or suggested it. The flashpoint for many of their comments was the scene in June 2020 when federal law enforcement cleared Lafayette Square...of racial-justice protesters. They did so right before Trump strolled through for a photo-op featuring both Milley and Esper. (Both later expressed regret for participating.) Mattis responded with a blistering – and unusual, for him – statement that warned of what the scene portended. “Militarizing our response, as we witnessed...sets up a conflict — a false conflict — between the military and civilian society...It erodes the moral ground that ensures a trusted bond between men and women in uniform and the society they are sworn to protect, and of which they themselves are a part.”

Mattis said the military should be used on US soil “only when requested to do so, on very rare occasions, by state governors.” (Trump’s deployments of the military this summer...came without requests from the governor and mayor. Esper has described a scene in which Trump asked him and Milley why the protesters couldn’t simply be shot “in the legs or something.” ...he said a large part of his job that summer was “making sure to blunt or redirect any efforts that could politicize the military, misuse the force, or undermine the nation’s security.” In a CNN interview in October, Esper even invoked the Kent State massacre, where the National Guard killed four Vietnam War protesters. “We don’t want to go back to that,” Esper said. Kelly likewise has said Trump had to be told repeatedly why he shouldn’t use the military against American citizens.... But he said Trump would just keep pressing the issue. “And I think this issue of using the military on — to go after — American citizens is one of those things I think is a very, very bad thing — even to say it for political purposes to get elected — I think it’s a very, very bad thing, let alone actually doing it,” Kelly told the New York Times last year.


In the same interview, Kelly mentioned Trump’s penchant for this while saying he met the definition of a fascist."

Link

By sending masked ICE thugs into LA to tear apart families, communities and businesses, Trump was able to provoke the disturbances he wanted to send in the military. I guess he isn't bothering with that anymore. It seems like he should at least provoke some violence somewhere if he's going to militarize society and sic the troops on their fellow citizens. The fighting crime angle gets his base worked up, but I'm not sure its sustainable.
One unhijnged TDS post from you after another, eh? The sky is always falling in the land of the Chicken Little Liberal.
 
By sending masked ICE thugs into LA to tear apart families, communities and businesses, Trump was able to provoke the disturbances he wanted to send in the military. I guess he isn't bothering with that anymore. It seems like he should at least provoke some violence somewhere if he's going to militarize society and sic the troops on their fellow citizens.
There's no "sic the troops on their fellow citizens."

The active duty military armed forces can remain in the barracks rather than comply. The force almost surely will remain in the barracks because nothing about Trump is valid or legitimate. And because Trump is a dictator and the active duty armed forces are opposed to dictatorship. Further, the active duty armed forces are historically and presently antifascist. The same is true of the National Guard Army/Air Force.

The armed forces remaining in the barracks is passive, peaceful, not a coup per se and it gives the public time to respond against Trump and his compulsive exploitation and abuse of power and authority. The military's response to remain in the barracks would mean too that no generals and admirals would accept being fired by Trump. This defiance of the Generalissimo would secure the armed forces as being for the people and openly against Trump. Indeed MAGAs know nothing about the armed forces, the same as Trump knows nothing about 'em and the same as liberals know nothing about the armed forces.
 
MAGAs need to recognize and realize how the armed forces think which the greatly self satisfied and overconfident MAGAs have totally failed to do. All MAGAs know is their blind loyalty to Putin-Trump, to dictatorship, and to their 21st Century Uniquely American Fascism. Trump being elected as an anti Constitution fascist dictator does nothing for him vis a vis the armed forces who are long time antifascist and since 1776 sworn and dedicated to the the precepts and principles that are enshrined in the Constitution.

Indeed and as the armed forces recognize, the institutions of USA society, culture, government and civilization are not holding up against the minute by minute onslaught of Trump and MAGAs since 2015 and now by the sudden and ongoing dictatorial barrage since Jan. 20th. Trump 2.0 is trying to be incremental about mastering the armed forces which was foreseen by the generals and admirals since some time ago. Trump is just not fooling anyone in and across the armed forces however. This will come to a head as Trump runs out of the little step by step forced patience he's managed for it so far.
 
One unhijnged TDS post from you after another, eh? The sky is always falling in the land of the Chicken Little Liberal.

Two days ago, Trumpists like yourself called me a “chicken little” for saying Trump would do the same thing he’s doing in DC in other cities. They said DC was unique and that it would stop there and go no further.

Yesterday, Trump stated he would be rolling out the National Guard in other cities like he has in DC.

Why do we keep being right?
 
Two days ago, Trumpists like yourself called me a “chicken little” for saying Trump would do the same thing he’s doing in DC in other cities. They said DC was unique and that it would stop there and go no further.

Yesterday, Trump stated he would be rolling out the National Guard in other cities like he has in DC.

Why do we keep being right?
When he actually does it, you let me know. In the mean time you can try to explain to me why liberal leaders of these crime infested areas do nothing to help protect the law abiding citizens from the criminals.
 
When he actually does it, you let me know. In the mean time you can try to explain to me why liberal leaders of these crime infested areas do nothing to help protect the law abiding citizens from the criminals.

You mean where crime rates are continuing to go down?
 
There's no "sic the troops on their fellow citizens."

The active duty military armed forces can remain in the barracks rather than comply. The force almost surely will remain in the barracks because nothing about Trump is valid or legitimate. And because Trump is a dictator and the active duty armed forces are opposed to dictatorship. Further, the active duty armed forces are historically and presently antifascist. The same is true of the National Guard Army/Air Force.

The armed forces remaining in the barracks is passive, peaceful, not a coup per se and it gives the public time to respond against Trump and his compulsive exploitation and abuse of power and authority. The military's response to remain in the barracks would mean too that no generals and admirals would accept being fired by Trump. This defiance of the Generalissimo would secure the armed forces as being for the people and openly against Trump. Indeed MAGAs know nothing about the armed forces, the same as Trump knows nothing about 'em and the same as liberals know nothing about the armed forces.

Its already happening in LA and DC.
 
When he actually does it, you let me know. In the mean time you can try to explain to me why liberal leaders of these crime infested areas do nothing to help protect the law abiding citizens from the criminals.

Describe "do nothing."
 
There's no "sic the troops on their fellow citizens."

The active duty military armed forces can remain in the barracks rather than comply. The force almost surely will remain in the barracks because nothing about Trump is valid or legitimate. And because Trump is a dictator and the active duty armed forces are opposed to dictatorship. Further, the active duty armed forces are historically and presently antifascist. The same is true of the National Guard Army/Air Force.

The armed forces remaining in the barracks is passive, peaceful, not a coup per se and it gives the public time to respond against Trump and his compulsive exploitation and abuse of power and authority. The military's response to remain in the barracks would mean too that no generals and admirals would accept being fired by Trump. This defiance of the Generalissimo would secure the armed forces as being for the people and openly against Trump. Indeed MAGAs know nothing about the armed forces, the same as Trump knows nothing about 'em and the same as liberals know nothing about the armed forces.
…..the U.S. military did not “remain in their barracks” when ordered to go after the Bonus Army.

The U.S. military did not “remain in their barracks” when sent to confront protesters at places like Kent State.

This idea that the U.S. military wouldn’t obey such orders is simply not supported by the U.S. military’s track record
 
When he actually does it, you let me know. In the mean time you can try to explain to me why liberal leaders of these crime infested areas do nothing to help protect the law abiding citizens from the criminals.

Two Questions for you.

1. What exactly is the reason crime has "infested" cities in the US?

2. What exactly do you recommend to remedy crime infestation?
 
Federal code Title 32 U.S.C. § {{{2}}} establishes and affirms that National Guard units are controlled by their respective state governors by default. While the Guard remains under state command, the Posse Comitatus Act does not apply. However, under 10 U.S.C. § 12406, the President may place a state’s National Guard under federal command if (1) the United States is invaded, (2) there is a rebellion or danger of rebellion against federal authority, or (3) the President is unable to enforce federal law with existing forces. Once federalized under Title 10, National Guard personnel are treated as active-duty military and become subject to the Posse Comitatus Act.

Oops, I didnt quote you.

Which of those applies to NG on DC streets? And be specific how.
 
Two Questions for you.

1. What exactly is the reason crime has "infested" cities in the US?

2. What exactly do you recommend to remedy crime infestation?
1. because it has been allowed to
2. Arrest and incarcerate the criminals.
 
1. because it has been allowed to
2. Arrest and incarcerate the criminals.

Crime just grows by itself?

The National Guard isn't trained in law enforcement.
 
1. because it has been allowed to
2. Arrest and incarcerate the criminals.

Huh?

You're trying to skate on the non-answers you provided. Clearly you don't know.

If you turned that answer in on a 8th grade civics test you'd get gigged for a non-answer. I think someone of must have accidentally peed on you critical thinking skills.
 
Huh?

You're trying to skate on the non-answers you provided. Clearly you don't know.

If you turned that answer in on a 8th grade civics test you'd get gigged for a non-answer. I think someone of must have accidentally peed on you critical thinking skills.
The answers are accurate and obvious. Not my fault your only way to combat them is with lame personal attacks.
 
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