Navy Pride
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Navy Pride said:Well its starting.........Rumblings of cut and run in Iraq for the democrats just like it started in Nam.........The terrorists have to love it.......The knew the left in this country would lose the stomach for the fight and start whinning about cutting and running..........
There is a major difference now though........We have a president who does not govern by polls..........He will not bow to the left.........
Thank God for that...............
aps said:And he will suffer tremendously from this, as will the republicans who are running for re-election next year.
Navy Pride said:Seems like I heard that rhetoric prior to the 2004 presidential election to......We shall see but you know the terrorists have to love our doubters but they underestimate the will of this president.........
aps said:How do you know that they will love the doubters? Maybe our leaving will cause them to leave.
You heard that rhetoric prior to the 2004 election? As I recall, the majority of Americans supported the war in Iraq at that time, and Bush's poll ratings were very good. It's amazing what can happen in one to two years.
Simon W. Moon said:I doubt they liked it as much as they liked the ill-treatment of prisoners at Abu Ghraib and the WH's opposition to only treating US detainees humanely. Those two have to be helpful recruiting tools.
Simon W. Moon said:I doubt they liked it as much as they liked the ill-treatment of prisoners at Abu Ghraib and the WH's opposition to only treating US detainees humanely. Those two have to be helpful recruiting tools.
Navy Pride said:I don't know how old you are and if you remember what happened when we cut and run in Nam.......Millions of Vietnamese loyal to the U.S. were murdered as well as millions of Cambodians.....We can't take that chance in Iraq.....I doubt very seriously if the Bathists and the terrorists would pull out....Do you want to release Saddam to and put him back in power? That is what the Bathists will do if we leave.......
I disagree on the president's approval rating prior to the 2004 election.I can remember his rating was in the mid-forties and the left wing media was full of glee because no president has ever been reelected with and approval rating of below 50%....
aps said:LOL Well, Navy Pride, I was born in 1968, so I was too young to know what happened back then.
Really? Bush's approval rating was that low back then? I didn't remember that.
It's putting an argument in someone else's mouth.cnredd said:What's that definition of "strawman" again?...
Navy Pride said:Well its starting.........Rumblings of cut and run in Iraq for the democrats just like it started in Nam.........The terrorists have to love it.......The knew the left in this country would lose the stomach for the fight and start whinning about cutting and running..........
There is a major difference now though........We have a president who does not govern by polls..........He will not bow to the left.........
Thank God for that...............
Simon W. Moon said:I doubt they liked it as much as they liked the ill-treatment of prisoners at Abu Ghraib and the WH's opposition to only treating US detainees humanely. Those two have to be helpful recruiting tools.
Iriemon said:You are right again NP. I am sure Bin Laden is thrilled, this mistaken war in Iraq is more than he could have dreamed for when he hit us on 9/11. It is embarrising how the Bush administration has so stupidly played right into his plans.
Iriemon said:Good point. I doubt we could have done more to help bin Laden's goals if he had sent it to us in a memo. Bin Laden's too smart for that, and knows how to push the right buttons to achieve his goals.
Navy Pride said:I will never understand why you lefties hate our military so much....
Iriemon said:I will never understand why you righties hate our civilians so much....
Navy Pride said:I am sure he is much more pleased with people like you who have no stomach for completely the mission there and want to cut and run.............The cowardly democrats in the HOR want the same thing but don't have the courage to put it in writing with their vote and evidenced last night when our 2 dems had the courage to vote to pull out of Iraq.........
When we were hit on 9/11/01 by your friend Bin Laden I would have bet any amount of money that we would have many more terrorist attacks but in almost 4 years we have had none in this country......Under your hero Clinton we had them all the time...........
This president would rather fight the terrorists in the Streets of Baghdad then in the streets of your town Miami...........
Navy Pride said:Thats and easy one because left wingers hate this president and this country and want us to fail in every endeavor even if it means casualties to our brave servicemen in Iraq..........
Iriemon said:Do you think bin Laden wants us to stop the war? He wants war. He is a war-monger, just like you. I'm sure you two would get along great together, having a great time planning the all-out war between the Christians and the Muslems.
We had one attack in this country one month after Clinton took office. Teh perpetrators were arrested, tried, proved guilty, convicted, and are rotting in jail.
Please identify the other attacks in this country that happend "all the time" during Clinton's tenure as you assert.
I'm sure the Iraqis really appreciate that part of the plan. Use their country to fight terrorists, let their people and buildings get blown up. No wonder they love us so much over there. Another brilliant neocon strategy.
Navy Pride said:1. Are you that naive that you think Bin Laden does not want us to cut and run in Iraq so he can claim victory there?
2. The USS COLE and the Kohbar Towers come to mind........Oh wait those were just military people that died........Since you on the left have disdain for our military their deaths don't count.......
3. The Iraqis have voted for a government......That Government wants us to stay there until we finish the job no matter how much you leftys bellyache about it..........
Iriemon said:Why would he want us to withdraw? How would that serve his goals? With US forces there, antagonizing the muslems and Iraqis who don't want us in their country, he has an ongoing propogand and recruitment tool. He and his supporters can argue the US only wants to dominate and control the muslems, because we won't even say when we are leaving. He and his supporters can show how American bombs and bullets are killing Muslems. And everytime someone dies, there is a good chance he gets a new brother or dad or son who wants revenge as a recruit. Plus, Iraq is a good way to keep killing and injuring the infidels, and serves as and excellent training ground for terrorists.
Why on earth would he want to lose that?
Of course, when we do withdraw, he and his supporters will claim victory. But that is the consequence of this ill thought out invasion by our leader.
Those did not happen in this country. Your assertion [#14]:
When we were hit on 9/11/01 by your friend Bin Laden I would have bet any amount of money that we would have many more terrorist attacks but in almost 4 years we have had none in this country......Under your hero Clinton we had them all the time...........
Again what attacks happened "all the time" in this country under Clinton as you claimed?
Of course they do. They know what would happen if our troops weren't their to support them.
Navy Pride said:Boy you really have no clue what your talking about........In your first paragraph you say the Iraqis don't want us there..In your last one you say they do.......
Iriemon said:The US supported Iraqi government wants us there. The warlords we are employering by arming and training their soldiers probably want us there, at least until they feel ready to make a power grab. Obviously a lot of others don't. Most polls show most Iraqis want US troops out.
Your assertion: When we were hit on 9/11/01 by your friend Bin Laden I would have bet any amount of money that we would have many more terrorist attacks but in almost 4 years we have had none in this country......Under your hero Clinton we had them all the time...........
My challenge: What attacks happened "all the time" in this country under Clinton as you claimed?
Your response:
Are you a well trained righty who will never admit a mistake, just like our president?
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