The Statues of Unliberty

[Brochacholomigo]

Yes! And next let's burn every book that has any reference to them!!!!!!

Eat my ass, Countryboy. Those statues belong back home, not in the seat of power of the government they fought to secede from.

 

[Bodi]

Is that what this is about? See, I thought it was about whether or not the leaders of the Confederacy have earned the honour of having a statue in the Congress building. It is quite an honour, usually reserved for people who's accomplishments are worthy of recognition.

The issue I was addressing was the removal of monuments/statues that people do not like.

I already stated that this one could be removed and placed in a museum instead.

 

[vegas giants]

The issue I was addressing was the removal of monuments/statues that people do not like.

I already stated that this one could be removed and placed in a museum instead.

Which ones that people want to remove would you keep?

 

[Bodi]

Nobody is going to forget what the Civil War was, or that it happened, because we remove statues to the Confederacy. If that were the case nobody in Eastern Europe would know who Stalin was.

Fine. I made it overly dramatic. Removing statues from history is to deny historical fact. There should be statues of Stalin in a museum, or even in his hometown or in Moscow... WITH correct historical facts.

 

[Bodi]

Which ones that people want to remove would you keep?

All of them... with the addition of proper historical fact and context.

 

[vegas giants]

Fine. I made it overly dramatic. Removing statues from history is to deny historical fact. There should be statues of Stalin in a museum, or even in his hometown or in Moscow... WITH correct historical facts.

Not statues. Maybe a plaque detailing the horrors. But a statue implies honor

 

[vegas giants]

All of them... with the addition of proper historical fact and context.

Not me. Statues are for people that did heroic things....not perfect people but heroic people

 

[Bodi]

Not me. Statues are for people that did heroic things....not perfect people but heroic people

Robert E Lee and other Confederates were pretty heroic...

 

[vegas giants]

Robert E Lee and other Confederates were pretty heroic...

People who if they won would have kept slavery intact could NEVER be called heroic

 

[Bodi]

People who if they won would have kept slavery intact could NEVER be called heroic

Yeah... like George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, etc. Good call.

 

[Grand Mal]

The issue I was addressing was the removal of monuments/statues that people do not like.

I already stated that this one could be removed and placed in a museum instead.

The Civil War killed more Americans than any other war, if I remember right. One wonders why those statues were erected in the first place. You want them in a museum fine, but it's pretty clear to me that there should be no place for them in the hall of Congress. Hard to see how the US government should honour those men and what they accomplished.

 

[vegas giants]

Yeah... like George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, etc. Good call.

Again imperfect people. Their racism should be duly noted

 

[countryboy]

Eat my ass, Countryboy. Those statues belong back home, not in the seat of power of the government they fought to secede from.

Lol, I'll pass on your ass, but thanks anyways. And sorry, but just because you delicate senses are so easily offended, that doesn't make you the arbiter of what is or isn't of historical significance.

 

[Grand Mal]

Robert E Lee and other Confederates were pretty heroic...

Heroic. They tried to break apart your country and precipitated a war that killed more Americans than any other. The fact that we're talking about this shows that your country has not yet recovered from their heroism.

 

[Grand Mal]

Lol, I'll pass on your ass, but thanks anyways. And sorry, but just because you delicate senses are so easily offended, that doesn't make you the arbiter of what is or isn't of historical significance.

Since when are statues built for historical significance? Statues are built to honour people who have accomplished something that deserves recognition. Does that describe the Confederate leaders? Should the US government be honouring them?

 

[countryboy]

Since when are statues built for historical significance? Statues are built to honour people who have accomplished something that deserves recognition. Does that describe the Confederate leaders? Should the US government be honouring them?

Are you ****ing kidding me? Leftists have literally lost it. Wow.

White Nationalists got nuthin' on libs today. Seig Heil!

 

[Bodi]

The Civil War killed more Americans than any other war, if I remember right. One wonders why those statues were erected in the first place. You want them in a museum fine, but it's pretty clear to me that there should be no place for them in the hall of Congress. Hard to see how the US government should honour those men and what they accomplished.

Like I said... fair enough. I just think history should be open, honest and seen.

More, not less of it should be on monuments and statues. Even the "bad stuff"

Heroic. They tried to break apart your country and precipitated a war that killed more Americans than any other. The fact that we're talking about this shows that your country has not yet recovered from their heroism.

Over 500,000 men died. Horrific indeed.

I am not sure how discussing having history be honest and accurate means that we are still not recovered from the war though.

 

[Bodi]

Again imperfect people. Their racism should be duly noted

Straw Man. There racism is noted BUT they also have statues.

 

[vegas giants]

Straw Man. There racism is noted BUT they also have statues.

Then take them down. And off the money too. there is far too much hero worship in this country anyway

 

[Grand Mal]

Are you ****ing kidding me? Leftists have literally lost it. Wow.

White Nationalists got nuthin' on libs today. Seig Heil!

Is that a yes? The US government should be honouring the leaders of the Confederacy with statues in the hall of Congress? Men who precipitated the war that killed more Americans than any other.
Wow. Rightists sure have creative ways to spin history. And current events, come to think.

 

[ecofarm]

White Nationalists got nuthin' on libs today.

Well, that's a rather open declaration. "Liberals are worse than white nationalists." Could you make your allegiance any more clear? I don't think so.

 

[JamesBY]

Okay, a statue of a southern leader in a southern state is one thing, but Davis has as much of a place in the halls of congress as King James and Kaizer Wilhelm. Get those out of there.

It is disdainful, I admit, but that is the state's call. So start lobbying.

 

[Brochacholomigo]

It is disdainful, I admit, but that is the state's call. So start lobbying.

As I've said in this thread and in others, I do support these statues as important parts of southern history. They just don't belong in the halls of congress.

 

[jdog21]

As I've said in this thread and in others, I do support these statues as important parts of southern history. They just don't belong in the halls of congress.

I think your missing their significance to creating the modern day country we have today.

 

[Brochacholomigo]

I think your missing their significance to creating the modern day country we have today.

They're as instrumental to our form as any other adversary. I would no more expect the capitol of the nation to house one of their statues than for Austin, Texas to have a monument dedicated to Santa Anna, even though he fought for the sovereignty of that region of Mexico at one point.