LOL yeah I hear you on that. As a lazy expat I spend a lot of time drinking with my buddies in bars and pubs and we get into it when it comes to politics. I normally criticize the US government and what its been doing but if a foreigner comes over and starts dissing my country I will let him have it even though the last president I liked was Bill Clinton. When W was president one Norwegian guy came over to our table and started dissing the US with our wars and I fired back even though I hated W. I guess thats just the way it goes: you can criticize your country as a local but when a foreigner tells you how it should be run you circle the wagons.I have to bite my tongue in my "real life" when my non-American friends start saying **** about our President - any President of any party - or our lawmakers, period. While I'm a fan of relations between countries and all of that, I also draw the line somewhere. On here I'm more open to what non-Americans say about us because that's in the spirit of the board.
I have to bite my tongue in my "real life" when my non-American friends start saying **** about our President - any President of any party - or our lawmakers, period. While I'm a fan of relations between countries and all of that, I also draw the line somewhere. On here I'm more open to what non-Americans say about us because that's in the spirit of the board.
I also can't stand Obama (I won't use the word hate) but I agree that it's not right for a foreigner to come into his house and criticize him. I was thinking about this last night. I'm a manager of a sales team. I realize that it would really, really bother me if my team went behind my back and invited someone to come speak to them and in the speech, that someone criticized me. I would be mad at my team for that. I think Obama should be mad.
That said, that doesn't mean I agree with the way Obama is handling Iran, and I don't agree with the people who say Israel should be left unprotected or whatever, but from Obama's POV, I'd be pretty pissed.
It is common for a U.S. President to make outright demands of foreign nations, either under threat of military threat and\or financial sanction, and yet somehow it's not OK for a foreign politician to come to the U.S. and make a sales pitch?
At least this is out in the open, rather than just a sack of money and a wink for a congressperson.
I disagree with Netanyahu's position on Iran, but it would simply be wrong for us not to allow him to come and argue his case.
Can you cite me a single instance in which a US president came into the seat of government of a foreign country and told the politicians there on how to run their country while not being invited by the head of state?It is common for a U.S. President to make outright demands of foreign nations, either under threat of military threat and\or financial sanction, and yet somehow it's not OK for a foreign politician to come to the U.S. and make a sales pitch?
At least this is out in the open, rather than just a sack of money and a wink for a congressperson.
I disagree with Netanyahu's position on Iran, but it would simply be wrong for us not to allow him to come and argue his case.
No, it wouldn't. He can and has argued his case on Iran from Israel, for twenty five years now, and he's been repetitively WRONG. he didn't need to be here lying about our president to the chagrin of our congress.
I'll admit I haven't watched his speech or read a transcript, but I hadn't heard he lied about Obama. I guess I'll pick through it, but if you wanted to detail the lie, I'd appreciate it.
My point is that it's part of the business for politicians to lobby each other. I much rather it be done in the open than behind the scenes. It's not like Israel isn't outright paying to help Congress folk to get reelected, anyhow.
Yes he did. He said, "not only does the presidents deal not prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons, IT PAVES THE WAY"!!!!! He should have been booed out and told not to return.
Can you cite me a single instance in which a US president came into the seat of government of a foreign country and told the politicians there on how to run their country while not being invited by the head of state?
Yes he did. He said, "not only does the presidents deal not prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons, IT PAVES THE WAY"!!!!! He should have been booed out and told not to return.
Oh come on...it is exactly the same. What possible difference does it make to the content of the speech if it is given in Congress or Israel? None.Don't act as though it is the same to read a man's opinion and having him hold a highly visible speech before the legislative of the United States against the will of the President.
PS: Why would anyone think that politicians would not do things for political gain? The whole political system is build on the assumption that they do. So where is the beef?
Netanyahu could be right or wrong, could make any kind of speech; but in a non-Israeli congress He tells Us reps what to do and how to do, calls for more wars and blood of US soldiers and people in congress applause him for 4 minutes.
When I take a look at the picture, the first thing that came to my mind is the title of this thread.
And it was his DUTY as PM of Israel to do it.He was not telling the US what to do he was conveying the Israeli position which is that this is a bad deal not only for Israel but for the world.
I will. And don't want to see either side doing this.
He was not telling the US what to do he was conveying the Israeli position which is that this is a bad deal not only for Israel but for the world.
Most of the people complaining about Netenyahu don't give two ****s about America's sovereignty. They mock it.They support things that encourage illegal entry into our country such as amnesty.Heck even the ones all glad about Netenyahu being here also globalist.
Well **** that freak. Russia, China, the UK, Germany, France and the US disagree with him. And, he's been wrong only for about ever!
Netanyahu could be right or wrong, could make any kind of speech; but in a non-Israeli congress He tells Us reps what to do and how to do, calls for more wars and blood of US soldiers and people in congress applause him for 4 minutes.
When I take a look at the picture, the first thing that came to my mind is the title of this thread.
Our country moves as far as money will allow. Netanyahu can say anything he wants; GW Bush did... But there is a lot of foreign money and thanks to citizen's united our sovereignty could get real thin in times to come.
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