The Socialism in Nazism

[Mach]

It's in that article. If nazi socialists disagree with that article then they need to find a better spin than the bullshit that's being spun right now. lol

From your own article;

Hitler, Zitelmann argues, drew support from the extremes of Left and Right but he belonged to neither

 

[Jredbaron96]

Interesting read for those who might be confused about Hitler and his devotion to Socialism.

The Socialism in Nazism – Daniel Johnson

Not all socialists are Nazis, but all Nazis are socialists.

lawliberty.org

Hitler was not a socialist and the Nazi Party was not a socialist organization.*

The Nazis did at one point have a left wing element, and it was purged once it had outlived its usefulness.

 

[element94]

Nazism in socialism is the elephant in the room. Americans are sick of liars projecting bullshit onto them.

But you wouldn't fight what you call Nazism with another version of Nazism, right?

 

[Michael Cole]

Nobody's disputing the US's war on Nazi Germany. What they are disputing is nazism in socialism.

YOU disagree that nazism is intertwined with socialism. Prove that article wrong.

I just did. Twice. Your inability or refusal to refute my argument is either a deep ignorance or denial of reality.

You're just slinging shit. Your argument is shit. Your posts are vacant any facts or logic.

Hitler arrested socialists and sent them to concentration camps beginning in 1933. Read a book.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

When exactly did Mercedes-Benz and Deutsche Bank become property of the government? And who set them free?

German companies operated for profit throughout the Nazi reign. What you find interesting is nonsense on its face.

And German subsidiaries of American companies were "sold" to "neutrals", continued to operate (and make profits) throughout the war, and then "sold back" including the accrued profits PLUS the right to be indemnified for the "damage caused to neutrals" during the war, to the same people who "sold" them to the "neutrals" in the first place. Most of the price paid to "buy" those companies was taken care of by cross accounting the amounts still unpaid by the "neutrals" from the original "sale".

 

[Slartibartfast]

For curious readers, here is a real definition of fascism.

1. "The cult of tradition", characterized by cultural syncretism, even at the risk of internal contradiction. When all truth has already been revealed by tradition, no new learning can occur, only further interpretation and refinement.
2. "The rejection of modernism", which views the rationalistic development of Western culture since the Enlightenment as a descent into depravity.
3. "The cult of action for action's sake", which dictates that action is of value in itself and should be taken without intellectual reflection.
4. "Disagreement is treason" – fascism devalues intellectual discourse and critical reasoning as barriers to action, as well as out of fear that such analysis will expose the contradictions embodied in a syncretistic faith.
5. "Fear of difference", which fascism seeks to exploit and exacerbate, often in the form of racism or an appeal against foreigners and immigrants.
6. "Appeal to a frustrated middle class", fearing economic pressure from the demands and aspirations of lower social groups.
7. "Obsession with a plot" and the hyping-up of an enemy threat. This often combines an appeal to xenophobia with a fear of disloyalty and sabotage from marginalized groups
8. Fascist societies rhetorically cast their enemies as "at the same time too strong and too weak". On the one hand, fascists play up the power of certain disfavored elites to encourage in their followers a sense of grievance and humiliation. On the other hand, fascist leaders point to the decadence of those elites as proof of their ultimate feebleness in the face of an overwhelming popular will.
9. "Pacifism is trafficking with the enemy" because "life is permanent warfare" – there must always be an enemy to fight. Both fascist Germany under Hitler and Italy under Mussolini worked first to organize and clean up their respective countries and then build the war machines that they later intended to and did use, despite Germany being under restrictions of the Versailles treaty to not build a military force. This principle leads to a fundamental contradiction within fascism: the incompatibility of ultimate triumph with perpetual war.
10. "Contempt for the weak", which is uncomfortably married to a chauvinistic popular elitism, in which every member of society is superior to outsiders by virtue of belonging to the in-group.
11. "Everybody is educated to become a hero", which leads to the embrace of a cult of death.
12. "Machismo", which sublimates the difficult work of permanent war and heroism into the sexual sphere. Fascists thus hold "both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality".
13. "Selective populism" – the people, conceived monolithically, have a common will, distinct from and superior to the viewpoint of any individual. As no mass of people can ever be truly unanimous, the leader holds himself out as the interpreter of the popular will (though truly he dictates it). Fascists use this concept to delegitimize democratic institutions they accuse of "no longer represent[ing] the voice of the people".
14. "Newspeak" – fascism employs and promotes an impoverished vocabulary in order to limit critical reasoning.

Emilio Gentile​

 

[Simon W. Moon]

I found this part to be interesting given that so many socialists like to project this shit onto capitalists:

Many people who use the epithet do not know that “Nazi” is an acronym for Nazionalsozialist, or National Socialist, and that the full name of Hitler’s movement was “National Socialist German Workers’ Party.” Understandably, headline-writers preferred the shortened version, “Nazi”; especially in the English-speaking world, it caught on very early. In German-speaking countries “Nazi” is, however, less common at least in formal discourse than the longer term “National Socialist.” The use of “Nazi” instead has obscured, especially in the US and UK, the identity of Hitler’s party: not only nationalist (usually seen as right-wing) but also socialist (i.e. left-wing).

inorite?

I keep explaining to ppl that North Korea is a democratic republic.

It says so right in the name

Democratic People's Republic of Korea​

Why do ppl keep insisting NK is a dictatorship?

 

[Tigerace117]

It's in that article. If nazi socialists disagree with that article then they need to find a better spin than the bullshit that's being spun right now. lol

The article is complete trash bud. As previously stated, the Nazis murdered every socialist they could catch.

 

[j brown's body]

I don't think so. I think conservatives/libertarians know enough about all 4 of those to know that they have no place in a civilized, free society. I know I do.

The real confusion comes from leftists spewing nonsensical bullshit at conservatives; like understanding that Nazism is in Socialism but the lunatics are still trying to project their nazism onto Conservatives.

Do you think they are aware that Marx said that under communism, the state would "whither away?"

 

[element94]

For curious readers, here is a real definition of fascism.

1. "The cult of tradition", characterized by cultural syncretism, even at the risk of internal contradiction. When all truth has already been revealed by tradition, no new learning can occur, only further interpretation and refinement.
2. "The rejection of modernism", which views the rationalistic development of Western culture since the Enlightenment as a descent into depravity.
3. "The cult of action for action's sake", which dictates that action is of value in itself and should be taken without intellectual reflection.
4. "Disagreement is treason" – fascism devalues intellectual discourse and critical reasoning as barriers to action, as well as out of fear that such analysis will expose the contradictions embodied in a syncretistic faith.
5. "Fear of difference", which fascism seeks to exploit and exacerbate, often in the form of racism or an appeal against foreigners and immigrants.
6. "Appeal to a frustrated middle class", fearing economic pressure from the demands and aspirations of lower social groups.
7. "Obsession with a plot" and the hyping-up of an enemy threat. This often combines an appeal to xenophobia with a fear of disloyalty and sabotage from marginalized groups
8. Fascist societies rhetorically cast their enemies as "at the same time too strong and too weak". On the one hand, fascists play up the power of certain disfavored elites to encourage in their followers a sense of grievance and humiliation. On the other hand, fascist leaders point to the decadence of those elites as proof of their ultimate feebleness in the face of an overwhelming popular will.
9. "Pacifism is trafficking with the enemy" because "life is permanent warfare" – there must always be an enemy to fight. Both fascist Germany under Hitler and Italy under Mussolini worked first to organize and clean up their respective countries and then build the war machines that they later intended to and did use, despite Germany being under restrictions of the Versailles treaty to not build a military force. This principle leads to a fundamental contradiction within fascism: the incompatibility of ultimate triumph with perpetual war.
10. "Contempt for the weak", which is uncomfortably married to a chauvinistic popular elitism, in which every member of society is superior to outsiders by virtue of belonging to the in-group.
11. "Everybody is educated to become a hero", which leads to the embrace of a cult of death.
12. "Machismo", which sublimates the difficult work of permanent war and heroism into the sexual sphere. Fascists thus hold "both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality".
13. "Selective populism" – the people, conceived monolithically, have a common will, distinct from and superior to the viewpoint of any individual. As no mass of people can ever be truly unanimous, the leader holds himself out as the interpreter of the popular will (though truly he dictates it). Fascists use this concept to delegitimize democratic institutions they accuse of "no longer represent[ing] the voice of the people".
14. "Newspeak" – fascism employs and promotes an impoverished vocabulary in order to limit critical reasoning.

Emilio Gentile​

Sounds familar, doesn't it? Oh yeah, it sounds like the cult of Trump, which sounds much closer than the far left to the ultimate Nazi project: Genocide of race. Maybe the radicalized right just want them gone from the country, but that will not be an easy task. I wonder what they will be willing to do to get rid of other races under their criminal led "Christian" White Nationalist agenda?

 

[sardonicsky]

It never surprises me when the right wants to lie and run away from their own ideology.

 

[Michael Cole]

Triangle patch ID system in Nazi concentration camps. The red patches are for political prisoners, which included socialists, social democrats, trade unionists.

Here's an article for you @Ren. Do yourself a favor. It answers all your questions, and utterly destroys all your arguments.

Nazis used red triangles to mark political prisoners. That symbol is why Facebook banned a Donald Trump reelection campaign ad.

Political prisoners filled Nazi concentration camps, and they were marked with red triangles. Learn the history of the symbol.

www.usatoday.com

 

[Ren]

Indeed, and those who think that Stalin's Russia had anything other than names in common with what Marx and Lenin envisioned as "communism" will actually believe that both Herr Hitler and Comrade Stalin were "socialists" rather than a "totalitarians".

But Totalitarianism is not far removed from Socialism or Communism, right? They all involve centralized power to the government, and democrats love that shit.

 

[Ren]

Triangle patch ID system in Nazi concentration camps. The red patches are for political prisoners, which included socialists, social democrats, trade unionists.

Here's an article for you @Ren. Do yourself a favor. It answers all your questions, and utterly destroys all your arguments.

Nazis used red triangles to mark political prisoners. That symbol is why Facebook banned a Donald Trump reelection campaign ad.

Political prisoners filled Nazi concentration camps, and they were marked with red triangles. Learn the history of the symbol.

www.usatoday.com

Not all socialists are created equal, MC. It's one of the great fallacies of that idiotic mindset.

Socialism is about government power, and Hitler wanted government power. He hated capitalism and so do socialists. It was a match made in hell, and it still is with all socialists.

 

[Questerr]

But Totalitarianism is not far removed from Socialism or Communism, right? They all involve centralized power to the government, and democrats love that shit.

So do Conservatives so long as the power is centralized in a state capital.

Why don’t Conservatives want to see all power returned to counties and cities? Why do they support big government in states?

 

[CaughtInThe]

everything the right accuses others of...

 

[Questerr]

Not all socialists are created equal, MC. It's one of the great fallacies of that idiotic mindset.

Socialism is about government power, and Hitler wanted government power. He hated capitalism and so do socialists. It was a match made in hell, and it still is with all socialists.

If Hitler wanted government power, why did he mass privatize industries the previous government had taken over?

 

[Ren]

So do Conservatives so long as the power is centralized in a state capital.

Why don’t Conservatives want to see all power returned to counties and cities? Why do they support big government in states?

I keep hearing democrats barking about Conservatives wanting big government but nobody can produce actual evidence of this.

What in the hell are you people barking about? Give me some examples.

 

[Questerr]

I keep hearing democrats barking about Conservatives wanting big government but nobody can produce actual evidence of this.

What in the hell are you people barking about? Give me some examples.

How about all the Red states making it illegal for people to have abortions? Why do they need big government to enforce that law?

Why not leave it up to individual counties or cities?

 

[Manc Skipper]

But you wouldn't fight what you call Nazism with another version of Nazism, right?

In the USA they tend to come from the religious right. Nationalist Christians, or NatC's for short. They are so sensitive about their forbears.

 

[Ren]

If Hitler wanted government power, why did he mass privatize industries the previous government had taken over?

Great question. So why didn't he stop what he was doing and try to become more like America?

 

[madman]

For curious readers, here is a real definition of fascism.

1. "The cult of tradition", characterized by cultural syncretism, even at the risk of internal contradiction. When all truth has already been revealed by tradition, no new learning can occur, only further interpretation and refinement.
2. "The rejection of modernism", which views the rationalistic development of Western culture since the Enlightenment as a descent into depravity.
3. "The cult of action for action's sake", which dictates that action is of value in itself and should be taken without intellectual reflection.
4. "Disagreement is treason" – fascism devalues intellectual discourse and critical reasoning as barriers to action, as well as out of fear that such analysis will expose the contradictions embodied in a syncretistic faith.
5. "Fear of difference", which fascism seeks to exploit and exacerbate, often in the form of racism or an appeal against foreigners and immigrants.
6. "Appeal to a frustrated middle class", fearing economic pressure from the demands and aspirations of lower social groups.
7. "Obsession with a plot" and the hyping-up of an enemy threat. This often combines an appeal to xenophobia with a fear of disloyalty and sabotage from marginalized groups
8. Fascist societies rhetorically cast their enemies as "at the same time too strong and too weak". On the one hand, fascists play up the power of certain disfavored elites to encourage in their followers a sense of grievance and humiliation. On the other hand, fascist leaders point to the decadence of those elites as proof of their ultimate feebleness in the face of an overwhelming popular will.
9. "Pacifism is trafficking with the enemy" because "life is permanent warfare" – there must always be an enemy to fight. Both fascist Germany under Hitler and Italy under Mussolini worked first to organize and clean up their respective countries and then build the war machines that they later intended to and did use, despite Germany being under restrictions of the Versailles treaty to not build a military force. This principle leads to a fundamental contradiction within fascism: the incompatibility of ultimate triumph with perpetual war.
10. "Contempt for the weak", which is uncomfortably married to a chauvinistic popular elitism, in which every member of society is superior to outsiders by virtue of belonging to the in-group.
11. "Everybody is educated to become a hero", which leads to the embrace of a cult of death.
12. "Machismo", which sublimates the difficult work of permanent war and heroism into the sexual sphere. Fascists thus hold "both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality".
13. "Selective populism" – the people, conceived monolithically, have a common will, distinct from and superior to the viewpoint of any individual. As no mass of people can ever be truly unanimous, the leader holds himself out as the interpreter of the popular will (though truly he dictates it). Fascists use this concept to delegitimize democratic institutions they accuse of "no longer represent[ing] the voice of the people".
14. "Newspeak" – fascism employs and promotes an impoverished vocabulary in order to limit critical reasoning.

Emilio Gentile​

god damn! that definition reeks of conservatism

 

[BitterPill]

Fun fact: North Korea is democratic and we know this because they have Democratic in their country name.

Same with the now defunct German Democratic Republic.

MAGA.

 

[Questerr]

Great question. So why didn't he stop what he was doing and try to become more like America?

Because America was a Leftwing mongrelized nation that was run by Jews. He was pretty clear about that. Democracy was a Jewish plot to his brand of conservatism.

 

[Ren]

How about all the Red states making it illegal for people to have abortions? Why do they need big government to enforce that law?

Why not leave it up to individual counties or cities?

How big does the national government have to be to retract a previous decision?

And wouldn't the national government WITHDRAWING from abortion make government smaller?