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The shutdown may have been for nothing

TheDoctorWasIn said:
Check your dates.
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Why do the dates matter?

The 2016-2017 flu season so far is attributed to around 80% as many deaths as COVID-19. CVID-19 will probably be about double that flu season when this is over.

Is double enough to be so panicked?
 
ldsrptcvt said:
you know, right wingers claim the danger of the virus is a Democratic hoax and anybody who is afraid of it is weak; I'm seeing a Republican hoax trying to scare people about the economy - you are buying into it.
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For good reason, Zimbabwe and Venezuela tried to print money out of nothing, how did that work out?
 
TheDoctorWasIn said:
You know all the flu numbers are "estimated", right?

If you think COVID numbers are bad data, flu numbers are worse.
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So are COVID-19 deaths. They aren't all tested. If a person has the symptoms, and dies, they are listed. Period. They symptoms could have been from non-viral existing conditions, or a different virus.
 
Bassman said:
So they are good little sheeple headed to slaughter. And define "too early" Your saying we need to stay shut down for the next decade? 100 years? How the f*ck long?
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As long as is necessary. I expect we'll see things start to open up in June and July.
 
Bassman said:
Only the scared little sheeple want to keep the lockdown going indefinitely. Real Americans are saying NO MORE!!!
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Yes, those snowflakes will melt is not coddled.
 
Aberro said:
CDC: 80,000 people died of flu last winter in the U.S. - STAT. ... It says 2018/19 in the Link.

//www.statnews.com/2018/09/26/cdc-us-flu-deaths-winte

You trust the CDC, right?

We have not broken that number, but we killed millions of US Jobs!

As planned!
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I think that's a joke website. I'm not being derogatory, I really do think it's meant as humor. There's a saying about statistics. Every time I see an article from statnews, the title does not match the claim inside:

“I’d like to see more people get vaccinated,” Redfield told the AP at an event in New York. “We lost 80,000 people last year to the flu.”

CDC officials do not have exact counts of how many people die from flu each year. Flu is so common that not all flu cases are reported, and flu is not always listed on death certificates. So the CDC uses statistical models, which are periodically revised, to make estimates.

Fatal complications from the flu can include pneumonia, stroke and heart attack.
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Lord of Planar said:
So are COVID-19 deaths. They aren't all tested. If a person has the symptoms, and dies, they are listed. Period. They symptoms could have been from non-viral existing conditions, or a different virus.
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This is not true, although I realize it's what has been fed to you.

But that's not my point - you guys love to compare this to the flu - as if the flu numbers are somehow more real than COVID numbers - when in fact, they're less real.
 
TheDoctorWasIn said:
As long as is necessary. I expect we'll see things start to open up in June and July.
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That's too ****ing late to salvage any kind of summer. Major League Baseball needs at LEAST two months of spring training for both players and umpires. Theme Parks? Forget it. It takes them six months to get ready. Thanks for nothing!
 
Lutherf said:
It wasn't useless. It has set a precedent where Americans become perfectly willing to give up their right ass long as the government says it's necessary for them to do so. We have set the stage for political globalization and implementation of a command economy. The lefties have won, just as they have always said they would and the reason they won is because so many "conservatives" just don't give a ****.
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So it’s because so many conservatives agree with the dominant analysis that we should surrender certain freedoms to deal with a national crisis. If you think that the government and folks like Dr. Fauci advising the government are wrong, let your voice be heard by your representatives and go out and demonstrate. Just don’t cuddle up to the person ahead of you in the checkout line.
 
TheDoctorWasIn said:
This is not true, although I realize it's what has been fed to you.

But that's not my point - you guys love to compare this to the flu - as if the flu numbers are somehow more real than COVID numbers - when in fact, they're less real.
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But it is true. They don't test all the people who have died, that they have claimed died from it.
 
Bassman said:
That's too ****ing late to salvage any kind of summer. Major League Baseball needs at LEAST two months of spring training for both players and umpires. Theme Parks? Forget it. It takes them six months to get ready. Thanks for nothing!
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By all means, feel free to shed a tear for Disney and Major League Baseball.

I am more interested in lives.
 
Bassman said:
That's too ****ing late to salvage any kind of summer. Major League Baseball needs at LEAST two months of spring training for both players and umpires. Theme Parks? Forget it. It takes them six months to get ready. Thanks for nothing!
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Football season is starting. I heard more players will be kneeling for social justice.
 
TurtleDude said:
this seems a bit hyperbolic to me. I have no love for any of those governors but this sort of damning is as silly as those who claim Trump killed the victims of the virus. The best information as to what exactly was the right course of action was not patent nor without contradiction
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We agree finally T-dude. Truth is complex.
 
TheDoctorWasIn said:
You misread the article. It referred to the 2017-2018 flu season, not the 2018/2019 flu season.
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You are correct on the technicalities of date, but does it really matter for what is being said?
 
Lord of Planar said:
You are correct on the technicalities of date, but does it really matter for what is being said?
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Yes, it does - because that link was provided in a weak attempt to "disprove" my statement that - according to the numbers that we have - more people have died in the last 8 weeks of COVID than died throughout 2019 of the flu.
 
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