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The shelves will be empty by June

Overreaction is overreaction.

I highly doubt there will be nothing but empty shelves, but that said we will have supply side faults causing more inflationary pressures for what is on the shelf.

It is not just junk at Target. Something like 15% of all foods consumed in the US are imported, including 44% of fruits and high 30% range of vegetables. Just because we have capacity to produce more does not mean we suddenly will, again these things take time but during those periods of supply gap prices go way up.
 
Jessie C said:
Grogery shopping has come down to only buying sale items and buy 1 get 1 free items. The prices on everything are out of sight. This horrible admin is killing the average income American.
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It’s not a flaw, it’s a feature.
 
Lutherf said:
Yeah, I'm already seeing the changes. Went to the grocery store today and the only thing available was Limburger cheese. Checked out Amazon and all I could get delivered was shoelaces. This is 100x worse than Covid.
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  • On April 9, it was reported that U.S. import bookings were down by 64% when compared to the week before

Don't let the math confuse you. Phone a friend.
 
OrphanSlug said:
Overreaction is overreaction.

I highly doubt there will be nothing but empty shelves, but that said we will have supply side faults causing more inflationary pressures for what is on the shelf.

It is not just junk at Target. Something like 15% of all foods consumed in the US are imported, including 44% of fruits and high 30% range of vegetables. Just because we have capacity to produce more does not mean we suddenly will, again these things take time but during those periods of supply gap prices go way up.
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I suspect this is a reason for the tariff pauses, to give local economies time to adjust.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
$8 a pound for ground beef? Is that some special ground beef.

That would be about $12 a pound in Canada, and it is usually $7 a pound for medium

Only special types would be at 12 per pound
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Safey here in N. VA. Ground beef at 11.99 lb.

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Same grade at Walmart at @ $7.28 / lb. I don't know exactly where all this money is going, but it seems to me some folks are very wealthy on us poor folks.
One dozen Lucerne regular eggs are still @ $9.99 at Safeway.
 
Mycroft said:
Well, I don't know about y'all, but I can survive very well by not buying stuff, so if the shelves are empty...I don't care.

But...if the importers aren't placing any orders, what is that doing to the Chinese manufacturers? Nobody is buying their stuff and they aren't making any money.

Instead of crying because you can't get that cheap stuff from China...stuff you probably don't really need...be happy that China has it orders of magnitude worse.

I guarantee, they'll blink long before WE need to blink.

btw, I don't see empty grocery shelves at my Walmart. Food is plentifully available. That's probably because we don't get our food from China.
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China sells to the world.

Trump tariffed everybody.

Your position is ridiculous.

Will it hurt China? Sure.

Will it hurt us worse (tariffs)?

Absolutely.
 
The AntiDonald said:
Safey here in N. VA. Ground beef at 11.99 lb.

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Same grade at Walmart at @ $7.28 / lb. I don't know exactly where all this money is going, but it seems to me some folks are very wealthy on us poor folks.
One dozen Lucerne regular eggs are still @ $9.99 at Safeway.
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Why are you shopping online for beef if you're poor?
 
Mycroft said:
???

It's not hard for importers to calculate what the costs of their business is. They pay the amount the Chinese manufacturers charge for products, pay the government the tariff on the product and the cost to ship the product to the US. It's pretty simple. What's not so simple for them is deciding what to buy from the Chinese.

They know that consumers will reduce, or stop, buying stuff that costs more so the importer's likely decision will be to not buy as much of the stuff China has to sell. Retailers and importers will look for other sources of products...and those sources will likely end up being American producers.

That affects the Chinese more than it affects the America consumers.
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This has to be the most simpleminded post I've read in years.

The economy doesn't come with a remote. There's a little more to it than pushing buttons.
 
BirdinHand said:
You still don’t seem to grasp that China doesn’t pay US tariffs. American importers do.

This impacts American importers, who don’t know from day to day what their costs of doing business are going to be.
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And the 100's of American companies manufacturing in China.
We are not buying from the Chinese. We are buying from the manufacturers in China.
 
I'll take empty shelves over a black cackling hoe! (sarcasm)
 
spud_meister said:
I don't follow your logic. People need food more than they need profits. The Chinese government is willing to subsidise the Chinese economy for longer than American are willing to go without food.
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Outside of some frozen foods China does not provide much food to the US.

So Americans won't see food shortages.


Consumer goods on the other hand will be in short supply and or see vastly higher prices
 
Diesel ran out in 2022. There was really no coming back from that. Even the right wing farmers markets were effected.
 
Jessie C said:
That's the bottom line.. (y)
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Geebus some people are stupid (starting, spectacularly, with Trump).

Let me make this really, really simple for the simpletons amongst us: The US imports from China are less than 15% of its market, mostly manufactured goods. It exports more to Taiwan than the US - let that sink in. It has lots of other markets to sell to. The US exports to China are about the same percentage.The problem is, China represents the major market for most of those goods, primarily soybeans and other grains, oil and gas. In some sectors, nearly the only market. This is going to hurt those (our) producers more than China. Just like last time.

 
OrphanSlug said:
Overreaction is overreaction.

I highly doubt there will be nothing but empty shelves, but that said we will have supply side faults causing more inflationary pressures for what is on the shelf.

It is not just junk at Target. Something like 15% of all foods consumed in the US are imported, including 44% of fruits and high 30% range of vegetables. Just because we have capacity to produce more does not mean we suddenly will, again these things take time but during those periods of supply gap prices go way up.
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That's really the point. Not all shelves, just particular ones. Shortages are already coming to light.
 
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Product shortages and empty store shelves loom with falling shipments from China

Businesses have been canceling orders for products from China after Trump imposed a 145% tariff on most Chinese imports, risking product shortages for American consumers.
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"Retailers are warning that U.S. consumers could once again be faced with empty store shelves and the kind of supply chain snarls that marked the Covid era if President Donald Trump's tariffs on China remain at their current levels.

Companies have been canceling their shipments of goods from China and halting new orders after Trump put a 145% tariff on nearly all Chinese imports this month. As a result, the number of freight vessels scheduled to arrive at the Port of Los Angeles is on track to be down 33% year-over-year for the week ending May 10, according to ship tracking data from Port Optimizer.

Typically, U.S. retailers would be ramping up their orders for two critical periods later this year: the fall back-to-school shopping season and the winter holidays. And the pullback is creating uncertainty about whether U.S. shoppers will have the selection of goods they've grown accustomed to in the coming months.

"They're making their holiday buying decisions now," said Jonathan Gold, vice president of supply chain and customs policy for the National Retail Federation. "It's a challenge for folks to figure out how to properly order and price with all the uncertainty that's out there on the tariffs."

At the current tariff rate, a U.S.-based company would have to pay at least $145 in tariff fees to Customs and Border Protection to import an item valued at $100, except for electronics and pharmaceuticals, which are levied at a lower rate. That fee could wipe out any profit a company would be making and force it to sell its products at a loss or raise prices to levels that consumers might not be willing to pay."
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"Some of the products likeliest to go missing from store shelves in the coming months will be lower-cost footwear, apparel, toys and electronics, for which manufacturing is heavily concentrated in China, Gold said. Other perishable items coming from China, like apple juice and fish, have limited shelf lives and were more difficult for retailers to stockpile.

“Like back during Covid where we had shortages of toilet paper, we are going to start seeing that in more and more goods,” said Sean Stein, president of the U.S.-China Business Council. “Starting in a couple of weeks, we are just going to start running out of stuff, and if the administration waits to resolve the problem until we have shortages and hoarding, that is just too late.”

The threat of empty store shelves has appeared to raise alarm bells inside the White House, more so than months of warnings from businesses about rising prices, said a person familiar with business lobbying efforts around tariffs. Trump administration officials seemed particularly concerned about a shortage of products around holidays, like the Fourth of July and Christmas, the person said."
 
OK. I've got an idea. How about all of us immigrate to Venezuela and El Salvador! It's a great trade. They all come here and we all go there!
 
Lutherf said:
OK. I've got an idea. How about all of us immigrate to Venezuela and El Salvador! It's a great trade. They all come here and we all go there!
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Would you like some cheese with your wine?
 
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