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The shame we are guilty of in darfur

mikhail

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We could of saved thousands of lives be we didnt.If anything was fighting terror the darfur crisis would be.

I feel very guilty about it as you all should we could of saved them but we didnt.People go on about the holocaust but they where making monuments to say it would never happen agaib when rwandan genocide where going on.

We will be judge by are inaction in Darfur it is something we are all guilty of.
 
May 8, 2006

President Bush called for more U.N. peacekeepers for the Darfur region of Sudan on Monday and pledged an increase in U.S. food aid. He also welcomed a proposed peace accord as "the beginnings of hope" for Darfur's poverty-stricken population.

"Darfur has a chance to begin anew," Mr. Bush said. He also said that Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice would go to the United Nations on Tuesday to lend support for a new U.N. resolution increasing the number of peacekeepers.

The president said he was asking Congress for another $225 million in emergency food aid for Darfur, was ordering the emergency purchase of 40,000 metric tons of food and was dispatching five ships loaded with food to the region.

"America will not turn away from this tragedy," Mr. Bush said, standing alongside Deputy Secretary of State Robert B. Zoellick, just back from Darfur.

Bush invited other countries to also do more to help relief famine in Darfur.

The president sought to build momentum for a peace agreement reached by Sudanese authorities and Darfur's main rebel group. The deal could help end a conflict that has killed at least 180,000 people in three years and displaced some 2 million.

He praised the agreement as "a step toward peace."

"We're still far away from our ultimate goal, which is the return of millions of displaced people to their homes so they can have a life without fear," Mr. Bush added. "But we can now see a way forward."

Bush Pledges More Aid To Darfur - CBS News
 
We could of saved thousands of lives be we didnt.If anything was fighting terror the darfur crisis would be.

I feel very guilty about it as you all should we could of saved them but we didnt.People go on about the holocaust but they where making monuments to say it would never happen agaib when rwandan genocide where going on.

We will be judge by are inaction in Darfur it is something we are all guilty of.

I agree with the bolded part. At least you thought to include others. Most people only think to blame the US for it. As if we have to be the ones to do something first, before others decide if its a worthy enough cause for them to participate in.
 
We will be judge by are inaction in Darfur it is something we are all guilty of.

Well, let's look at this with a microscope for a bit. You tap into something far more devious and depraved than just Darfur. We ignored the slaughter campaign in Sudan and Rwanda in the '90s also (....as you noted). Many people don't know that if the UN declares a genocide, it is legally obligated to act and since Truman's Police Act, in which the UN fully endorsed, America is singled out as an obligated force from the rest. But the true mission of the UN isn't to help anybody. It's to prevent wars no matter the cost and no matter how many suffer under the status quo (keep in mind that plenty of people tie their morality to this garbage). But hold on......

While the savagery and mayhem of the '90s in Africa was winding down and we silently thanked the UN for its apathy and desires to stay out of it, a genocide erupted in Europe. America jumped on the boats and planes and crossed the oceans. President Clinton was smart enough to kick the UN out of the mission in Bosnia (after a UN force stood by and watched hundreds lined up and slaughtered) and Kosovo and pull in NATO to force Europe to help handle its own mess. But even this saw an American effort with little effort from those who live on the continent. Europe was worthy, but Africa was not?

Fast forward....when Bush and Blair was calling on the UN to deal with Darfur, the UN eventually conceded that "further investigation" was needed and sent a team to decide what everyone had already known for years. And once the slaughter and massive danger subsided, the UN flexed a puny muscle and was more than happy to shed crocodile tears for dead. But an accusation of genocide and an international arrest warrant towards Bashir has the UN players worried about "stability" and what justice for the dead and the living may cause. As always, the UN proves it is more interested in it's "prime directive" over justice and moral strength.

Yet.....people tie their morality to this organization. An organization full of dictators with oversight from nations like Russia (once the Soviet Union) and China. And the other half of the organization is made up free nations who prefer apathy to rolling up their sleeves and secretly breathes a sigh of relief everytime the selfish dictate the theme or can hold up an anchient international law to hide behind. And with the West being the large, if not only, part of the humanitarian or military force to stand up....it's safe to state that the West appreciates it when the lazy, depraved part of the UN demands that it merely "investigate" until the crisis dissolves on its own.

Think about it. See any dictator nations, or Russia, or China in Somalia, Gulf War, etc.? How many during the Indonesian tsunami? Always just the West. Yet people insist that a post Cold War world be handcuffed to a Cold War organization as the decider of the world's future. We may as well have held on to the League of Nations as the answer to the post World War II era.
 
We will be judge by are inaction in Darfur it is something we are all guilty of.

I'd rather UK, instead of fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan was handing out food and aid inside Darfur.

I agree, it is something that will shame the International Community.
 
And i am sure the warlords would not steal that food.

Since when is it the west's job to fix every crappy little Muslim country? why does KSA, Iran, UAE, or one of the other ME countries go clean up their messes.
 
And i am sure the warlords would not steal that food.

Since when is it the west's job to fix every crappy little Muslim country? why does KSA, Iran, UAE, or one of the other ME countries go clean up their messes.

Since we signed the genocide convention
 
We could of saved thousands of lives be we didnt.If anything was fighting terror the darfur crisis would be.

I feel very guilty about it as you all should we could of saved them but we didnt.People go on about the holocaust but they where making monuments to say it would never happen agaib when rwandan genocide where going on.

We will be judge by are inaction in Darfur it is something we are all guilty of.

I've never been to darfur nor have I ever met anyone from darfur. I feel pretty confident that I am innocent when it comes to that catastrophe.
 
Yes because signing a useless document like that really makes nations act.

Just like the UN, they vote to condem almost everything .. but never act on it.

Whats the point of a organization that was started to prevent wars, when they won't do anything other then talk.

Generaly the person with the bigger gun usualy wins most arguements.
 
Just like the UN, they vote to condem almost everything .. but never act on it.

The UN is paralysed by the system it operates under. The veto power is wrong but there is no other alternative.

It is highly elitist. Russia, France, US, UK and China. It is basically saying, this country can opt out of this if you wish regardless of what is occuring preventing the UN to act to it's full capability.
This elitist veto power which is highly unfair also plays a role in why the UN cannot act in Darfur. China has a vested interest in that region and will veto anything preventing it and the west can hardly throw stones seeing they use the veto power in their interest too.
 
So who should provide the bulk of the troops?

All UN members including the 5 permenant members.
Especially the 5 seeing they have the most saying power inside that institution.

We can offer troops to kill invisible terrorists in Iraq and overthrow a Government but NOT to prevent a genocide of women and children? Certainly demonstrates where our priorities lie.
 
All UN members including the 5 permenant members.
Especially the 5 seeing they have the most saying power inside that institution.

We can offer troops to kill invisible terrorists in Iraq and overthrow a Government but NOT to prevent a genocide of women and children? Certainly demonstrates where our priorities lie.





400k iraqis were killed under saddam, are they invisible too? :roll:



"our" tell me why is a dafurian more important to you than an iraqi?
 
"our" tell me why is a dafurian more important to you than an iraqi?

They are both equally important but there was no systematic genocide in Iraq [Lol @ UK/US preaching seeing it was our weapons and support]. This genocide is still occuring and the numbers are absolutely horrific.

Btw, where was US and UK when Saddam was illegally using chemical weapons against Iran?
Didn't see us standing up for rights of Iranians did ya as it served our interest.
 
They are both equally important but there was no systematic genocide in Iraq [Lol @ UK/US preaching seeing it was our weapons and support]. This genocide is still occuring and the numbers are absolutely horrific.

Btw, where was US and UK when Saddam was illegally using chemical weapons against Iran?
Didn't see us standing up for rights of Iranians did ya as it served our interest.




nothing here is relevant.....



I say sure, go into dafur, we will send 1k non combat troops. let france and russia take care of the heavy lifting for once.
 
nothing here is relevant.....

I say sure, go into dafur, we will send 1k non combat troops. let france and russia take care of the heavy lifting for once.

It absolutely does, we can invade Iraq because it is has [invisible] weapons but we couldn't invade when it used those weapons on other countries? Hah.
Doublestandards and hypocracy, that is the west.

How about UK withdraws all troops from ME, give them a 2 year break and rearm our army. Then send them to Africa along with others.

US can deal with Iraq if it wishes, i'd rather we prevent a genocide.
 
nothing here is relevant.....



I say sure, go into dafur, we will send 1k non combat troops. let france and russia take care of the heavy lifting for once.

France already does have a number of troops on the ground in Chad and Darfur
 
The UN is paralysed by the system it operates under. The veto power is wrong but there is no other alternative.

Sure there is. But people are too comfortable with the status quo and too enslaved to intellectual habit. The end of World War I saw the League of Nations. The failure of the League of Nations led to World War II. The end of World War II led to the United Nations. The UN lasted through the Cold War with America and the Soviet Union largely dictating the balance of the world's identity. And after the Cold War ended....nothing. No new organization to reflect a world beyond the ideal that dictators and oppressive regimes belong in the same arena as free nations where governments truly represent their people.

The UN needs to be spotlighted for its weaknesses and embassments, used for its minor contributions, and slowly allowed to wither away and die. In place of it should rise a new organization. One that reflects the humanitarian goals of this world and not the outdated systems and anchient orders of the past.

Of course, this is just me in a post Cold War mood.
 
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