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The Shame of Our Inaction in Syria [W:253,W:498;864]

The Shame of Our Inaction in Syria

The Egyptians.....I put up a thread on it too. Moreover al-Zawahiri has called on all Sunni to Jihad in Syria. Plus the Leading Cleric of Most Sunni and he resides in Qatar.

Leading Sunni Muslim cleric Sheikh Youssef al-Qaradawi called on Saturday for holy war against the Syrian government after fighters from Shi'ite Lebanese group Hezbollah intervened to help President Bashar al-Assad.

His website said Qaradawi had "called on all those able to undertake jihad and fighting to head to Syria to stand by the Syrian people who are being killed at the hands of the regime and are now being killed at the hands of what he called the party of Satan".

The call by one of the most prominent Sunni Muslim clerics underscores widening sectarian divisions in the region over the war in Syria. Hezbollah, which means party of God, has long been seen as a bulwark in the struggle against Israeli occupation of Arab lands.....snip~

Leading Sunni Muslim cleric calls for "jihad" in Syria

I wish I had the time to correct this all, you are really close in all this, and I wouldn't take anything out of this post, just a few small pieces of key information missing there, I'm going to guess that most your info comes from us based MSM?
 
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[COLOR="#800000[B]"]Heya Jack[/B][/COLOR].....that's not accurate at all.
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Most of the Rebels but a few Elite Officers are totally puritanical.


The opposition Free Syrian Army elected a new military command, replacing Colonel Riad al-Asaad with Brigadier General Salim Idris, Al Arabiya television reported early on Monday

...that doesn't Count the 29 Civilian and Oppositional Groups that Don't Recognize the FSA nor Idris.

So this doesn't mean much. I actually don't care whether there are a few Sunni extremists in the mix. It's worth it to hit Iran and Hezbollah.:cool:
 
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So this doesn't mean much. I actually don't care whether there are a few Sunni extremists in the mix. It's worth it to hit Iran and Hezbollah.:cool:

What do you mean it doesn't mean much Jack. Its far beyond a mere few Sunni Extremists. The MB, Salafists, AQ, and their Morph Transitions. 29 Civilian Committees. The backing of the Majority Rebels Jack. The backing of the people. They are all pledging against a Western Led Democracy being imposed upon them. It's not that difficult to understand really.
 
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And it gets worse and worse with each day... :shrug: growing to be a Sunnah vs. Shia conflict.



If you don't take MEMRITV's word for it (as i usually don't) Google his name, and you'd find the full video of him "blessing" the Syrian opposition. (you'd have to know Arabic for that though)

Fallen.
 
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I wish I had the time to correct this all, you are really close in all this, and I wouldn't take anything out of this post, just a few small pieces of key information missing there, I'm going to guess that most your info comes from us based MSM?

Well, I read Foreign Policy Mag, some Military Sites. Asian Times and even Press TV and all those that Speak for the other side of the coin. Make Sure I get their side of their story and not just those of the West.

The Syrian Chessboard: Behind the Game Played by Russia, Israel, the U.S. and Other Powers.

Read more: In Syrian Conflict, Diplomatic Game of Russia, Israel, U.S. and Others | TIME.com

Syrian rebels defy US and pledge allegiance to jihadi group.....

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Rebel groups across Syria are defying the United States by pledging their allegiance to a group that Washington will designate today a terrorist organization for its alleged links to al-Qaeda.

A total of 29 opposition groups, including fighting "brigades" and civilian committees, have signed a petition calling for mass demonstrations in support of Jabhat al-Nusra, an Islamist group which the White House believes is an offshoot of al-Qaeda in Iraq.

The petition is promoting the slogan "No to American intervention, for we are all Jabhat al-Nusra" and urges supporters to "raise the Jabhat al-Nusra flag" as a "thank you".

Although Jabhat al-Nusra remains separate from the Free Syrian Army, many FSA leaders now recognise its strength and order their forces to cooperate with it.....snip~

Syrian rebels defy US and pledge allegiance to jihadi group - Telegraph

This one was from the UK.....Course the one I put up on Idris is from the Al-Arabiya.
 
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What do you mean it doesn't mean much Jack. Its far beyond a mere few Sunni Extremists. The MB, Salafists, AQ, and their Morph Transitions. 29 Civilian Committees. The backing of the Majority Rebels Jack. The backing of the people. They are all pledging against a Western Led Democracy being imposed upon them. It's not that difficult to understand really.

All we know is what they claim. Maybe true; maybe not. If we had not been so passive they would not have had the opportunity to become prominent. Our inaction contributed to their prominence. Regardless, I don't believe an Islamist state could sink durable roots in Syria; they're just not that sort of people. I say it's worth the risk.:cool:
 
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So why do they need us? Why not let Hezbollah and Iran support Assad against the al-Qaeda supported al-Nusra Front (which up to now has been the most successful "opposition" group)? As long as these guys are busy fighting each other they're not plotting attacks against us or Israel.
Yeah, but if we don't intervene Assad's going to regain control or Islamists will dominate the rebels and then achieve victory. There isn't going to be a civil war forever, you know.

They ARE angry. That's why 2,000 people have died in the last two months and bombings are once again a daily occurrence in Iraq.

Your point? You don't seem to understand that Syria is not Iraq.
 
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So you really don't care about the Syrians and want someone else to go fight. How selfless of you. I don't care if you are a PHD, or an MBA, or the King of France, I don't care, you want so badly to criticize that you aren't even willing to consider the option of going and helping yourself because you are "worth too much." How selfish and pompus of you.

You've got quite a bit of hypocrisy going for yourself. You accuse someone else of being selfish (despite the fact that he has traveled to other countries to help the people there) but are at the same time saying that our foreign policy should be entirely self-centered.
 
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You've got quite a bit of hypocrisy going for yourself. You accuse someone else of being selfish (despite the fact that he has traveled to other countries to help the people there) but are at the same time saying that our foreign policy should be entirely self-centered.

You missed the point.
 
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Well now the idiot in Chief has gone and committed the United States to the rebels winning the war.

We will be supplying arms to them and possibly even a no-fly zone.

I hope Oboingo knows what he is doing.
 
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All we know is what they claim. Maybe true; maybe not. If we had not been so passive they would not have had the opportunity to become prominent. Our inaction contributed to their prominence. Regardless, I don't believe an Islamist state could sink durable roots in Syria; they're just not that sort of people. I say it's worth the risk.:cool:

They were always prominent Jack.....they are Officers who Defected from Assad. None will accept their rule or being in power. From the get go with al-Assad it was the same. They are talking about they have 85 % of the Country. They wont acknowledge Idris and the FSA. They are saying it all across the Country. They say they will attack us after Assad. Do you think they are lying? Saying it for nothing?

Even while Idris gets caught up in all that he has said. With what he hasn't said. But is known. By the Russians, by us and by all. Check out what they have said let alone what they ARE Doing now.

Even mainstream opposition activists expressed anger at what they claimed was America's last-minute attempt to "muscle in on their revolution".

"It is terrible timing on the part of the United States," said Mulham Jundi, who works with the opposition charity Watan Syria. "By calling Jabhat al-Nusra terrorists, the US is legitimising the Syrian regime's bombardment of cities like Aleppo. Now the government can say it is attacking terrorists."

The rise of Jabhat al-Nusra represents the Americans' worst fear – they refused to arm the rebels earlier in the conflict to avoid weapons falling into the hands of jihadists, only to find that in their absence, jihadi groups well-funded by supporters in the Gulf have risen to prominence.

The West attempted to rectify this at the weekend by backing the formation of a new FSA command structure at a meeting in Turkey. Its new leadership, which sidelines former commanders such as Gen Mustafa al-Sheikh and Col Riad al-Assad, includes senior figures without a regime background. Many are linked to the Muslim Brotherhood or even more radical Salafi movements, but are thought to be men with whom the West "can do business".

Opposition fighters inside Syria told The Daily Telegraph that the US announcement was too little too late, and that any attempts by the West to intervene in Syria would be rejected. "We don't support the new FSA military command," said Ous al-Arabi, a spokesman of the Deir al-Zour Revolutionary council.

"For Deir al-Zour province they have chosen people who are not representative. Jabhat al-Nusra is the strongest group here and they ignored that.

"The people are not going to accept intervention by the West now. You were watching us die, and now that we close to victory you want to intervene? You are not welcome."

Read more: Syrian Rebels Pledge Allegiance To Newly Named 'Terrorist' Militant Group - Business Insider

There is more. ;)

Syrian Rebels: “When We Finish With Assad, We Will Fight the U.S.....

A shocking report by McClatchy Newspapers’ David Enders reveals that the militants now on the front lines of the rebel uprising in Syria – supported by the Obama administration and other western powers – are Al-Qaeda terrorists who killed U.S. troops in Iraq and openly espouse their desire to “fight the U.S.” after they topple Bashar Al-Assad.

The official narrative at first attempted to deny the existence of Al-Qaeda terrorists in Syria altogether, before being forced to admit they were present but downplaying their role as limited and not characteristic of the rebel uprising.

However, Enders documents how Jabhat al Nusra, a group directly affiliated with Al-Qaeda, “has become essential to the frontline operations of the rebels fighting to topple Assad,” that the group is “critical to the rebels’ military advance” and how it conducts the “heaviest frontline fighting” in “battle after battle across the country.”

A journalist cited in the article also discovered “Nusra’s fighters on every frontline he visited.”
Jabhat al Nusra has claimed responsibility for numerous suicide bombings and other attacks that have killed hundreds of innocent people. Last weekend, disturbing footage emerged of one of their members slaughtering prisoners in cold blood.

Extremist militants have also ransacked Christian churches and carried out sectarian beheadings.

The article quotes one of the members of the group, who stated unequivocally, “When we finish with Assad, we will fight the U.S.!”

The journalist who heard the comment considered that it could have been a “joke,” but it didn’t appear to be much of a laughing matter when Syrian rebels were shown on camera proudly burning U.S. flags on two separate occasions recently.

As we previously documented, rebel supporters chanted anti-American slogans as they torched the American flag in Homs and Aleppo.

Another opposition fighter recently spoke of his desire to see the Al-Qaeda flag fly over the White House once the rebels are victorious across the region. Suffice to say, he didn’t appear to be joking

Syrian rebel fighters are routinely photographed wearing the Al-Qaeda motif. There are also innumerable You Tube videos that show opposition forces flying the Al-Qaeda flag – the same distinctive black flag with white Arabic lettering that was flown by rioters during anti-U.S. demonstrations in numerous countries earlier this year.

French Surgeon Jacques Bérès, who worked at a hospital in Aleppo commented that at least half of the militants he treated for injuries were Al-Qaeda terrorists whose goal is to impose sharia law across Syria and the whole region. A German report estimated the figure of foreign fighters in Syria to be even higher - a staggering 95 per cent.

Among Nusra fighters are many Syrians who say they fought with al Qaida in Iraq, which waged a bloody and violent campaign against the U.S. presence in that country and is still blamed for suicide and car bombings that have killed hundreds of Iraqis since the U.S. troops left a year ago,” writes Enders.

The article asserts that the presence of these terrorists in Syria, “worries U.S. and other Western officials,” although it obviously wasn’t too much of a concern when the Obama administration signed off on over $200 million dollars in aid to the FSA rebels.

Nor was it much of a worry for the CIA when it helped the likes of Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Qatar funnel heavy arms to rebel groups in the region.

Although the establishment media has billed the rebels’ cause as a democratic uprising, one of the leaders of Jabhat al Nusra quoted in the McClatchy piece, Iyad al Sheikh Mahmoud, made it clear that there would be no free elections in Syria once Assad is toppled......snip~
 
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Supporting the rebels is a very dangerous game.

We supported the rebels in Afghanistan 20 years ago and what did we get?

The Taliban and Al Qaeda.
 
The Shame of Our Inaction in Syria

Well now the idiot in Chief has gone and committed the United States to the rebels winning the war.

We will be supplying arms to them and possibly even a no-fly zone.

I hope Oboingo knows what he is doing.

USA TODAY
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/04/11/syria-al-qaeda-connection/2075323/

And,

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57589252/u.s.-syria-used-chemical-weapons-crossing-red-line/

Forgetting that it was the rebels using the chemical weapons...
 
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Heya Jango.
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Lets Not forget Russian Troops inside Syria too.

Russian Anti-Terror Troops Arrive in Syria.....

Now the Russian Black Sea fleet's Iman tanker has arrived in the Syrian port of Tartus on the Mediterranean Sea with an anti-terror squad from the Russian Marines aboard according to the Interfax news agency. The Assad government has insisted it is fighting a terrorist insurgency. The Russian news reports did not elaborate on the Russian troops' mission in Syria or if they are expected to leave the port.

The Iman replaced another Russian ship "which had been sent to Syria for demonstrating (sic) the Russian presence in the turbulent region and possible evacuation of Russian citizens," the Black Sea Fleet told Interfax.

Russia's Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov denied reports that Russian special forces were operating inside Syria. He did say, however, that there are Russian military and technical advisors in the country.....snip~

Russian Anti-Terror Troops Arrive in Syria - ABC News
MOSCOW, Russia, March 19, 2012 <<<<< More here.

Then.....

US official: Russia sends troops to Syria as peace hopes fade.....

Russia is sending armed troops to Syria amid escalating violence there, United States military officials told NBC News Friday, in a move certain to frustrate Western efforts to put pressure on the regime of President Bashir Assad.

Moscow has sent a ship carrying a small contingent of combat forces to guard Russia’s deep-water port and military base at the Syrian city of Tartus, the US officials said.

The U.S. officials also said Russia has not sent additional attack helicopters to the Syrian government, but replacement parts for the Russian helicopters the Syrians are already flying.

The source said on Wednesday at least nine Mi-25 helicopters were sent to Russia's Baltic exclave of Kaliningrad to be repaired by Oboronservis, owned by the Defense Ministry.

Russia delivered three different missile systems including Bastion anti-ship missile units and another anti-aircraft system to Syria last year.

At least two ships carrying Russian weapons have reportedly travelled to Syria since the beginning of the year, though possibly not on behalf of state arms exporter Rosoboronexport.....snip~

US official: Russia sends troops to Syria as peace hopes fade - World News

Then More.....

Report: Russia to send marines to Syria

MOSCOW – Two Russian navy ships are completing preparations to sail to Syria with a unit of marines on a mission to protect Russian citizens and the nation's base there, a news report said Monday. The deployment appears to reflect Moscow's growing concern about Syrian President Bashar Assad's future.

The Interfax news agency quoted an unidentified Russian navy official as saying that the two amphibious landing vessels, Nikolai Filchenkov and Caesar Kunikov, will be heading shortly to the Syrian port of Tartus, but didn't give a precise date.

Each ship is capable of carrying up to 300 marines and a dozen tanks, according to Russian media reports. That would make it the largest known Russian troop deployment to Syria, signaling that Moscow is becoming increasingly uneasy about Syria's slide toward civil war.

Interfax also quoted a deputy Russian air force chief as saying that Russia will give the necessary protection to its citizens in Syria. "We must protect our citizens," Maj.-Gen. Vladimir Gradusov was quoted as saying. "We won't abandon the Russians and will evacuate them from the conflict zone, if necessary."

Asked whether the air force would provide air support for the navy squadron, Gradusov said they will act on orders.

The Defense Ministry had no immediate comment, and an official at the Black Sea fleet declined to comment.

Russian officials have said that other Russian navy ships that have called at Tartus this year also had marines on board, but it has remained unclear whether they rotated the troops at Tartus or simply protected the ships during their mission and returned home.

Russia also has an unspecified number of military advisers teaching Syrians how to use Russian weapons, which make up the bulk of Syrian arsenals.

Report: Russia to send marines to Syria | Fox News

12 Ships and undisclosed information as to where their Club Med Subs are. Which they also sent a Fleet to Bahrain, home to our 5th Fleet.
 
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Other than being against Assad, why should we support the rebels?
 
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or an MBA,

An MBA? MBAs are for retards. I've an MSc. International Environmental Science. I lived in Sweden for two years, traveled Europe, spent time in Amsterdam, spent days in London, dated a Russian (grad student) with a very thick accent and spent months in rural Africa. An MBA from a mundane US uni on the side of some ****ing garbage highway is a pile of **** compared to my masters.

Just sayin'
 
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An MBA? MBAs are for retards. I've an MSc. International Environmental Science. I lived in Sweden for two years, traveled Europe, spent time in Amsterdam, spent days in London, dated a Russian (grad student) with a very thick accent and spent months in rural Africa. An MBA from a mundane US uni on the side of some ****ing garbage highway is a pile of **** compared to my masters.

Just sayin'

So you are conceited and pious afterall, glad the true colors came out. Do you enjoy being so puffed up? I'd really like to know. Why are you so much better than everyone else? And when did you become so bitter? Was that during your first or second degree?
 
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So you are conceited and pious afterall, glad the true colors came out. Do you enjoy being so puffed up? I'd really like to know. Why are you so much better than everyone else? And when did you become so bitter? Was that during your first or second degree?

Hey, I'm just sayin'
 
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Ok, just wanted to make sure I understood where you are coming from.

Do you disagree with my assessment?
 
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Do you disagree with my assessment?

Very much so. You think your education and travels somehow elevates you to a higher level of humanity. It doesn't.
 
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Very much so. You think your education and travels somehow elevates you to a higher level of humanity. It doesn't.

That's not true. My stunning good looks and staggering intellect elevate me to a higher level of humanity. The education is just something I did, like living in Europe and Africa and volunteering 11xa during wartime (and, I might add, leaving a very fine university to do so).

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