The Secret History of the War: The United States was involved in the conflict on Ukraine is much deeper (1 Viewer)

[anatta]

NYT is paywalled, here is a summary,.
Was it really a secret the USA was providing real time targeting to Ukr forces even before Starlink?? Not for anyone paying attention
It does show US aid i not justthe neat Congressional packages, but in fact the entire IT community was proving everything it could to Ukr
Meaning it wasn't just some clean proxy war

The Secret History of the War: The United States was involved in the conflict on Ukraine is much deeper — NYT: EADaily

EADaily, March 30th, 2025. Since the spring of 2022, the United States has been much more closely involved in a military conflict on Ukraine, than previously thought. It is reported by The New York Times.

eadaily.com

"In the first days after the Russian troops invaded the Ukraine, two Ukrainian generals went from Kiev is under diplomatic cover with a secret mission. In the US military garrison in In Wiesbaden, Germany, they made an agreement that involved America in the war much more closely than previously thought," the newspaper writes.

This is a partnership in the field of intelligence, strategy, planning and technology, the development and inner workings of which were visible only to a narrow circle of American and allied officials. The New York Times investigation shows that America was involved in a military conflict much closer and wider than previously thought. At critical moments, this partnership was the basis of Ukrainian military operations. Side by side in the mission's command center in Wiesbaden, American and Ukrainian officers planned Kiev's counteroffensive. Extensive U.S. intelligence—gathering efforts not only guided the overall combat strategy, but also transmitted accurate targeting information to Ukrainian soldiers on the ground,"

This is, in particular, a campaign against one of the most powerful combat groups in Russia — the 58th Combined Arms Army, as well as the forces of the Black Sea Fleet in Sevastopol. It is noted that at the height of the Ukrainian counteroffensive in 2022, a swarm of naval drones with the support of the CIA attacked the port, damaging several warships.

"But eventually the partnership became strained— and the arc of the war changed— amid rivalries, resentments and divergent imperatives and agendas. Ukrainians sometimes considered Americans to be overbearing and controlling — typical patronizing Americans. Americans sometimes could not understand why Ukrainians simply do not accept good advice," the newspaper writes.
At perhaps the most crucial moment — in mid—2023, when Kiev launched a counteroffensive — the strategy developed in Wiesbaden became a victim of Ukraine's fragmented internal politics: President Volodymyr Zelensky against the commander-in-chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and potential election rival Valery Zaluzhny, and the commander-in-chief himself against the stubborn subordinate of General Alexander Syrsky. When Zelensky sided with Syrsky, the Ukrainians poured a huge amount of people and resources into a completely useless campaign to capture the destroyed city of Bakhmut. As a result, the entire counteroffensive ended in failure, the newspaper notes.....
Подробнее: https://eadaily.com/en/news/2025/03...in-the-conflict-on-ukraine-is-much-deeper-nyt

 

[StillBallin75]

Yeah none of this detracts from the idea that Putin is the bad guy and appeasing him is bad and trying to extort Ukraine for their non-existent minerals is also bad.

 

[Pyrite]

NYT is paywalled, here is a summary,.
Was it really a secret the USA was providing real time targeting to Ukr forces even before Starlink?? Not for anyone paying attention
It does show US aid i not justthe neat Congressional packages, but in fact the entire IT community was proving everything it could to Ukr
Meaning it wasn't just some clean proxy war

The Secret History of the War: The United States was involved in the conflict on Ukraine is much deeper — NYT: EADaily

EADaily, March 30th, 2025. Since the spring of 2022, the United States has been much more closely involved in a military conflict on Ukraine, than previously thought. It is reported by The New York Times.

eadaily.com

This is a partnership in the field of intelligence, strategy, planning and technology, the development and inner workings of which were visible only to a narrow circle of American and allied officials. The New York Times investigation shows that America was involved in a military conflict much closer and wider than previously thought. At critical moments, this partnership was the basis of Ukrainian military operations. Side by side in the mission's command center in Wiesbaden, American and Ukrainian officers planned Kiev's counteroffensive. Extensive U.S. intelligence—gathering efforts not only guided the overall combat strategy, but also transmitted accurate targeting information to Ukrainian soldiers on the ground,"

This is, in particular, a campaign against one of the most powerful combat groups in Russia — the 58th Combined Arms Army, as well as the forces of the Black Sea Fleet in Sevastopol. It is noted that at the height of the Ukrainian counteroffensive in 2022, a swarm of naval drones with the support of the CIA attacked the port, damaging several warships.

"But eventually the partnership became strained— and the arc of the war changed— amid rivalries, resentments and divergent imperatives and agendas. Ukrainians sometimes considered Americans to be overbearing and controlling — typical patronizing Americans. Americans sometimes could not understand why Ukrainians simply do not accept good advice," the newspaper writes.
At perhaps the most crucial moment — in mid—2023, when Kiev launched a counteroffensive — the strategy developed in Wiesbaden became a victim of Ukraine's fragmented internal politics: President Volodymyr Zelensky against the commander-in-chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and potential election rival Valery Zaluzhny, and the commander-in-chief himself against the stubborn subordinate of General Alexander Syrsky. When Zelensky sided with Syrsky, the Ukrainians poured a huge amount of people and resources into a completely useless campaign to capture the destroyed city of Bakhmut. As a result, the entire counteroffensive ended in failure, the newspaper notes.....
Подробнее: https://eadaily.com/en/news/2025/03...in-the-conflict-on-ukraine-is-much-deeper-nyt

"Summaries" of articles in other publications aren't valid.

 

[Pyrite]

"Summaries" of articles in other publications aren't valid.

ESPECIALLY when the so-called "summary" is supplied by the likes of the Eurasia Daily (did you really not consider the probability that your source would be checked out?!)

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[Lord of Planar]

NYT is paywalled, here is a summary,.
Was it really a secret the USA was providing real time targeting to Ukr forces even before Starlink?? Not for anyone paying attention
It does show US aid i not justthe neat Congressional packages, but in fact the entire IT community was proving everything it could to Ukr
Meaning it wasn't just some clean proxy war

The Secret History of the War: The United States was involved in the conflict on Ukraine is much deeper — NYT: EADaily

EADaily, March 30th, 2025. Since the spring of 2022, the United States has been much more closely involved in a military conflict on Ukraine, than previously thought. It is reported by The New York Times.

eadaily.com

This is a partnership in the field of intelligence, strategy, planning and technology, the development and inner workings of which were visible only to a narrow circle of American and allied officials. The New York Times investigation shows that America was involved in a military conflict much closer and wider than previously thought. At critical moments, this partnership was the basis of Ukrainian military operations. Side by side in the mission's command center in Wiesbaden, American and Ukrainian officers planned Kiev's counteroffensive. Extensive U.S. intelligence—gathering efforts not only guided the overall combat strategy, but also transmitted accurate targeting information to Ukrainian soldiers on the ground,"

This is, in particular, a campaign against one of the most powerful combat groups in Russia — the 58th Combined Arms Army, as well as the forces of the Black Sea Fleet in Sevastopol. It is noted that at the height of the Ukrainian counteroffensive in 2022, a swarm of naval drones with the support of the CIA attacked the port, damaging several warships.

"But eventually the partnership became strained— and the arc of the war changed— amid rivalries, resentments and divergent imperatives and agendas. Ukrainians sometimes considered Americans to be overbearing and controlling — typical patronizing Americans. Americans sometimes could not understand why Ukrainians simply do not accept good advice," the newspaper writes.
At perhaps the most crucial moment — in mid—2023, when Kiev launched a counteroffensive — the strategy developed in Wiesbaden became a victim of Ukraine's fragmented internal politics: President Volodymyr Zelensky against the commander-in-chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and potential election rival Valery Zaluzhny, and the commander-in-chief himself against the stubborn subordinate of General Alexander Syrsky. When Zelensky sided with Syrsky, the Ukrainians poured a huge amount of people and resources into a completely useless campaign to capture the destroyed city of Bakhmut. As a result, the entire counteroffensive ended in failure, the newspaper notes.....
Подробнее: https://eadaily.com/en/news/2025/03...in-the-conflict-on-ukraine-is-much-deeper-nyt

US involvement is already known. Does this explain it in better detail?

The Biden's really screwed things up.

 

[ColdHardTruth]

val Valery Zaluzhny, and the commander-in-chief himself against the stubborn subordinate of General Alexander Syrsky. When Zelensky sided with Syrsky, the Ukrainians poured a huge amount of people and resources into a completely useless campaign to capture the destroyed city of Bakhmut. As a result, the entire counteroffensive ended in failure, the newspaper notes.....
Подробнее: https://eadaily.com/en/news/2025/03...in-the-conflict-on-ukraine-is-much-deeper-nyt

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Just stop.

 

[Bok Tuklo]

The Biden's really screwed things up.

Yeah. If you are Putin of one of his ball garglers.

Here in the 3rd year of Russia’s 3 day special military operation.

 

[anatta]

for ****s sake, read the artice instead of acting like a screaming banshee

 

[anatta]

US involvement is already known. Does this explain it in better detail?

The Biden's really screwed things up.

Its a bit more granular like

command center in Wiesbaden, American and Ukrainian officers planned Kiev's counteroffensive. Extensive U.S. intelligence—gathering efforts not only guided the overall combat strategy, but also transmitted accurate targeting information to Ukrainian soldiers on the ground,"

But most of us understood the US was providing not just logistics but real time targeting. It shows the folly of the 2022 counteroffensive trying to capture Bakhmut
As I mentions the USA was up to it's eyeballs in a partnership with Ukr. not just funding a "proxy war"

 

[j brown's body]

Here's a gifted link to the NYT article.

The Secret History of America’s Involvement in the Ukraine War

This is the untold story of America’s hidden role in Ukrainian military operations against Russia’s invading armies.

www.nytimes.com

 

[anatta]

given the delicacy of the mission, was it unduly provocative to call targets “targets”?

Some officers thought “targets” was appropriate. Others called them “intel tippers,” because the Russians were often moving and the information would need verification on the ground.

The debate was settled by Maj. Gen. Timothy D. Brown, European Command’s intelligence chief: The locations of Russian forces would be “points of interest.” Intelligence on airborne threats would be “tracks of interest.”

“If you ever get asked the question, ‘Did you pass a target to the Ukrainians?’ you can legitimately not be lying when you say, ‘No, I did not,’” one U.S. official explained.

Each point of interest would have to adhere to intelligence-sharing rules crafted to blunt the risk of Russian retaliation against N.A.T.O. partners.

 

[Juin]

As I mentions the USA was up to it's eyeballs in a partnership with Ukr. not just funding a "proxy war"

It's scary if it's more than just proxy war going on.

 

[anatta]

It's scary if it's more than just proxy war going on.

Ukraine has always been about the fault line between Russia and the west. The Maidan bought it into clarity
The sad thing is years of NATO expansion/sanctions and "demonization" of Putin put it on the path to be the stomping grounds for east/ west war

 

[iguanaman]

NYT is paywalled, here is a summary,.
Was it really a secret the USA was providing real time targeting to Ukr forces even before Starlink?? Not for anyone paying attention
It does show US aid i not justthe neat Congressional packages, but in fact the entire IT community was proving everything it could to Ukr
Meaning it wasn't just some clean proxy war

The Secret History of the War: The United States was involved in the conflict on Ukraine is much deeper — NYT: EADaily

EADaily, March 30th, 2025. Since the spring of 2022, the United States has been much more closely involved in a military conflict on Ukraine, than previously thought. It is reported by The New York Times.

eadaily.com

This is a partnership in the field of intelligence, strategy, planning and technology, the development and inner workings of which were visible only to a narrow circle of American and allied officials. The New York Times investigation shows that America was involved in a military conflict much closer and wider than previously thought. At critical moments, this partnership was the basis of Ukrainian military operations. Side by side in the mission's command center in Wiesbaden, American and Ukrainian officers planned Kiev's counteroffensive. Extensive U.S. intelligence—gathering efforts not only guided the overall combat strategy, but also transmitted accurate targeting information to Ukrainian soldiers on the ground,"

This is, in particular, a campaign against one of the most powerful combat groups in Russia — the 58th Combined Arms Army, as well as the forces of the Black Sea Fleet in Sevastopol. It is noted that at the height of the Ukrainian counteroffensive in 2022, a swarm of naval drones with the support of the CIA attacked the port, damaging several warships.

"But eventually the partnership became strained— and the arc of the war changed— amid rivalries, resentments and divergent imperatives and agendas. Ukrainians sometimes considered Americans to be overbearing and controlling — typical patronizing Americans. Americans sometimes could not understand why Ukrainians simply do not accept good advice," the newspaper writes.
At perhaps the most crucial moment — in mid—2023, when Kiev launched a counteroffensive — the strategy developed in Wiesbaden became a victim of Ukraine's fragmented internal politics: President Volodymyr Zelensky against the commander-in-chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and potential election rival Valery Zaluzhny, and the commander-in-chief himself against the stubborn subordinate of General Alexander Syrsky. When Zelensky sided with Syrsky, the Ukrainians poured a huge amount of people and resources into a completely useless campaign to capture the destroyed city of Bakhmut. As a result, the entire counteroffensive ended in failure, the newspaper notes.....
Подробнее: https://eadaily.com/en/news/2025/03...in-the-conflict-on-ukraine-is-much-deeper-nyt

Yes we have many patriots in our military and govt. that believe that helping Ukraine is essential to our own national security. You are just finding that out now? Meanwhile The American people's support for more aid to Ukraine has never been higher...... You are on the wrong side of history.

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Support for Greater U.S. Role in Ukraine Climbs to 46% High​

• 53% want U.S. to help Ukraine reclaim territory, even if it prolongs conflict
• 63% of Americans think neither side is winning the war
• More concern that Russia than Ukraine would violate peace deal, 79% vs. 26%

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Three years into the Russia-Ukraine war, 46% of Americans believe the U.S. is not doing enough to help Ukraine in the conflict, marking a 16-percentage-point increase since December to a new high in the trend that dates back to 2022. At the same time, the proportions thinking the U.S. is doing too much (30%) or the right amount (23%) for Ukraine have shrunk.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/658193/support-greater-role-ukraine-climbs-high.aspx

 

[ColdHardTruth]

for ****s sake, read the artice instead of acting like a screaming banshee

Post an article from a source that is not Kremlin propaganda and we might read it.

 

[ColdHardTruth]

It's scary if it's more than just proxy war going on.

It's not. That source is Kremlin propaganda.

 

[Hamish Howl]

Your source is shit and you should feel bad about the shame you have brought on your house.

 

[Hamish Howl]

for ****s sake, read the artice instead of acting like a screaming banshee

Why? Might as well read RT.

 

[anatta]

ty @jbrown'sbody. for the pay walled source. more details are helpful

 

[Perotista]

NYT is paywalled, here is a summary,.
Was it really a secret the USA was providing real time targeting to Ukr forces even before Starlink?? Not for anyone paying attention
It does show US aid i not justthe neat Congressional packages, but in fact the entire IT community was proving everything it could to Ukr
Meaning it wasn't just some clean proxy war

The Secret History of the War: The United States was involved in the conflict on Ukraine is much deeper — NYT: EADaily

EADaily, March 30th, 2025. Since the spring of 2022, the United States has been much more closely involved in a military conflict on Ukraine, than previously thought. It is reported by The New York Times.

eadaily.com

This is a partnership in the field of intelligence, strategy, planning and technology, the development and inner workings of which were visible only to a narrow circle of American and allied officials. The New York Times investigation shows that America was involved in a military conflict much closer and wider than previously thought. At critical moments, this partnership was the basis of Ukrainian military operations. Side by side in the mission's command center in Wiesbaden, American and Ukrainian officers planned Kiev's counteroffensive. Extensive U.S. intelligence—gathering efforts not only guided the overall combat strategy, but also transmitted accurate targeting information to Ukrainian soldiers on the ground,"

This is, in particular, a campaign against one of the most powerful combat groups in Russia — the 58th Combined Arms Army, as well as the forces of the Black Sea Fleet in Sevastopol. It is noted that at the height of the Ukrainian counteroffensive in 2022, a swarm of naval drones with the support of the CIA attacked the port, damaging several warships.

"But eventually the partnership became strained— and the arc of the war changed— amid rivalries, resentments and divergent imperatives and agendas. Ukrainians sometimes considered Americans to be overbearing and controlling — typical patronizing Americans. Americans sometimes could not understand why Ukrainians simply do not accept good advice," the newspaper writes.
At perhaps the most crucial moment — in mid—2023, when Kiev launched a counteroffensive — the strategy developed in Wiesbaden became a victim of Ukraine's fragmented internal politics: President Volodymyr Zelensky against the commander-in-chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and potential election rival Valery Zaluzhny, and the commander-in-chief himself against the stubborn subordinate of General Alexander Syrsky. When Zelensky sided with Syrsky, the Ukrainians poured a huge amount of people and resources into a completely useless campaign to capture the destroyed city of Bakhmut. As a result, the entire counteroffensive ended in failure, the newspaper notes.....
Подробнее: https://eadaily.com/en/news/2025/03...in-the-conflict-on-ukraine-is-much-deeper-nyt

There never is a clean proxy war. Providing intelligence and help with battleplans is probably just the tip of the iceberg. None of what’s reported should surprise anyone. I imagine our help, assistance, aid goes a lot deeper.

 

[Hamish Howl]

There never is a clean proxy war. Providing intelligence and help with battleplans is probably just the tip of the iceberg. None of what’s reported should surprise anyone. I imagine our help, assistance, aid goes a lot deeper.

I would certainly hope so.

 

[anatta]

There never is a clean proxy war. Providing intelligence and help with battleplans is probably just the tip of the iceberg. None of what’s reported should surprise anyone. I imagine our help, assistance, aid goes a lot deeper.

Agree. it was very close cooperation. but the fact of real time targeting, strategic and tactical scenarios makes it more then just a standard proxy war because of the geopolitics involved..I wonder how much of the same we still provide?

 

[Hamish Howl]

Agree. it was very close cooperation. but the fact of real time targeting, strategic and tactical scenarios makes it more then just a standard proxy war because of the geopolitics involved..I wonder how much of the same we still provide?

All of it.

Anything that 5 Eyes sees goes to Kyiv.

 

[Stealers Wheel]

Do you know what a TOOL is? It is something or SOMEONE who is useful to perform a specific task. Some people might consider you a tool for spreading this Russian propaganda. You are very useful.

 

[Perotista]

Agree. it was very close cooperation. but the fact of real time targeting, strategic and tactical scenarios makes it more then just a standard proxy war because of the geopolitics involved..I wonder how much of the same we still provide?

I don’t know. The general public will never know how deeply involved we were. They also won’t know how deeply or lightly involved we are today.