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the Sea Is Consuming Miami

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Old news for those of us paying attention, but a timely reminder that soon the Super Bowls in Florida may have to move closer to Orlando.

Not to Ruin the Super Bowl, but the Sea Is Consuming Miami | WIRED

...This weekend the spectacle will play out at Hard Rock Stadium, a lovely open-air structure mere miles from Miami Beach, which is disappearing into the sea.

...Miami is trying desperately to mitigate. It’s already got a flood control system in place, a series of canals that ferry rainwater to the sea. But these were built in the middle of the last century, and didn’t take sea level rise into account. They work on a gravity system; the water builds behind gates before being released into the ocean. That system is useless when sea levels go up. “When there are king tides, or even when there's an offshore storm or wind event, the ocean water level can be higher than the canal level. So they cannot open that gate because the salt water will come into the interior,” says Jayantha Obeysekera, a hydrologist and civil engineer at Florida International University.

Hard Rock Stadium has a problem: It sits right smack on canal C-9, which Obeysekera says has been flagged as particularly vulnerable to this issue.

In other words, Miami is ****ed. We've known it for years. But, of course, no one really wants to address the underlying issue. So, we wait.

Enjoy the game.
 
Old news for those of us paying attention, but a timely reminder that soon the Super Bowls in Florida may have to move closer to Orlando.

Not to Ruin the Super Bowl, but the Sea Is Consuming Miami | WIRED



In other words, Miami is ****ed. We've known it for years. But, of course, no one really wants to address the underlying issue. So, we wait.

Enjoy the game.

Bad news, and worse coming. Scientists find record warm water in Antarctica, pointing to cause behind troubling glacier melt -- ScienceDaily
 
Old news for those of us paying attention, but a timely reminder that soon the Super Bowls in Florida may have to move closer to Orlando.

Not to Ruin the Super Bowl, but the Sea Is Consuming Miami | WIRED



In other words, Miami is ****ed. We've known it for years. But, of course, no one really wants to address the underlying issue. So, we wait.

Enjoy the game.

Holland has half its' land area below sea level. Some of it is 7m below sea level. They manage.
 
I recommend the die hards stay where they are. "Don't give a inch," as Keesey said in Sometimes A Great Notion. Just get ever longer snorkels. It'll be fine.
 
Old news for those of us paying attention, but a timely reminder that soon the Super Bowls in Florida may have to move closer to Orlando.

Not to Ruin the Super Bowl, but the Sea Is Consuming Miami | WIRED



In other words, Miami is ****ed. We've known it for years. But, of course, no one really wants to address the underlying issue. So, we wait.

Enjoy the game.

Well, the underlying issue is that somebody decided to build a city in the middle of a swamp.
 
Holland has half its' land area below sea level. Some of it is 7m below sea level. They manage.

Holland is full of Dutch people, who are known for their intelligence and sense of practicality.
Now please don't tell me you're comparing The Netherlands with Florida, home to "Bat-Boy" Rick Scott

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and...."FLORIDA MAN".

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Hmmm, he looks like he could almost be our next Attorney General.
 
Holland has half its' land area below sea level. Some of it is 7m below sea level. They manage.

Salt water intrusion, through aquifers, will transform the Everglades. Holland doesn't rest on sandstone.
 
So if I recycle my plastics and put up solar panels I can save some fat cat's villa on Biscayne Bay from climate change? Tell where to sign up.
 
...and America is almost exactly like Holland.

The largest ecorestoration project in history ($8b at its inception) was called "Save the Everglades". The name was changed because there is no saving it. We always knew that; it was just a stupid name. What we're doing is learning as much as we can so as to rehabilitate and recreate wetlands in other locations. Having lost 90% of our wetlands as a nation, it's been a thing for awhile. Bush 1 created 'no net loss' and Bush 2 created a loophole therein.

Despite any amount of money, South Florida is an exposed coral reef and thus made of sand stone, calcium carbonate, Karst topography. That means porous bedrock. That means sink holes. That means underground saltwater intrusion, which is the one thing no one can stop. Holland is granite.
 
Holland has half its' land area below sea level. Some of it is 7m below sea level. They manage.
To avoid saying something incredibly stupid, it helps to first read the article in the op :roll:

Sea walls can be useful, but it’s not like engineers can barricade the city and it will never flood again. “You actually have to go below the floor of the ocean to stop the sea level rise, because it's coming under the land,” says Kirtman. “Sea walls work to some degree in some places, but if you're looking for a Dutch solution to our problem, it's not going to happen.” (For centuries, the low-lying Netherlands has held back the sea with dikes.)

Go back, read the article. Learn something.
 
To avoid saying something incredibly stupid, it helps to first read the article in the op :roll:



Go back, read the article. Learn something.

Meanwhile, as the sea levels rise, salt water taints fresh water aquifers. “Probably with the next two feet of rise we’ll have to be desalinating all our water,” says Wanless, of the University of Miami. “Even with the big Everglades next to us, it’ll probably be significantly compromised.”...

In Miami Beach, officials have floated the idea of transforming a golf course into a water-absorbing wetland. “It's truly a fierce debate,” says Kirtman. “Answering some of these questions—what part of the built infrastructure are we going to keep investing in and what part are you going to do water management?—that's a generational problem. If we want solutions 30 years from today, we have to start today to implement those.”

Miami Beach is not part of the mainland. It's a barrier island, a big sand bar. Gotta wonder how long it has.
 
Miami Beach is not part of the mainland. It's a barrier island, a big sand bar. Gotta wonder how long it has.

Billions of dollars in pumps and walls are trying to save it as we speak. My guess, a few billion more will keep it above water for another decade or so...except during high tides and storm surges.
 
Billions of dollars in pumps and walls are trying to save it as we speak. My guess, a few billion more will keep it above water for another decade or so...except during high tides and storm surges.

The ground will dissolve beneath it. It's on an ancient coral reef, not real stone. Not granite. It dissolves. The idea of converting the golf course to a wetlands is to push back with fresh water for long enough that everyone can pack their things.
 
Salt water intrusion, through aquifers, will transform the Everglades. Holland doesn't rest on sandstone.

Had he read the article...
 

Bad news, and worse coming. Scientists find record warm water in Antarctica,
pointing to cause behind troubling glacier melt -- ScienceDaily
Here's the text from your link:

A team of scientists has observed, for the first time, the presence of warm water
at a vital point underneath a glacier in Antarctica -- an alarming discovery that
points to the cause behind the gradual melting of this ice shelf while also raising
concerns about sea-level rise around the globe.
Share:

FULL STORY
A team of scientists has observed, for the first time, the presence of warm water
at a vital point underneath a glacier in Antarctica -- an alarming discovery that
points to the cause behind the gradual melting of this ice shelf while also raising
concerns about sea-level rise around the globe.

"Warm waters in this part of the world, as remote as they may seem, should serve as
a warning to all of us about the potential dire changes to the planet brought about
by climate change," explains David Holland, director of New York University's
Environmental Fluid Dynamics Laboratory and NYU Abu Dhabi's Center for Global Sea
Level Change, which conducted the research. "If these waters are causing glacier
melt in Antarctica, resulting changes in sea level would be felt in more inhabited
parts of the world."

The recorded warm waters -- more than two degrees above freezing -- flow beneath the
Thwaites Glacier, which is part of the Western Antarctic Ice Sheet. The discovery was
made at the glacier's grounding zone -- the place at which the ice transitions between
resting fully on bedrock and floating on the ocean as an ice shelf and which is key
to the overall rate of retreat of a glacier.

Thwaites' demise alone could have significant impact globally.

It would drain a mass of water that is roughly the size of Great Britain or the state
of Florida and currently accounts for approximately 4 percent of global sea-level rise.
Some scientists see Thwaites as the most vulnerable and most significant glacier in
the world in terms of future global sea-level rise -- its collapse would raise global
sea levels by nearly one meter, perhaps overwhelming existing populated areas.

While the glacier's recession has been observed over the past decade, the causes
behind this change had previously not been determined.

"The fact that such warm water was just now recorded by our team along a section of
Thwaites grounding zone where we have known the glacier is melting suggests that it
may be undergoing an unstoppable retreat that has huge implications for global sea
level rise," notes Holland, a professor at NYU's Courant Institute of Mathematical
Sciences.

The scientists' measurements were made in early January, after the research team
created a 600-meter deep and 35-centimeter wide access hole and deployed an ocean-
sensing device to measure the waters moving below the glacier's surface. This device
gauges the turbulence of the water as well as other properties such as temperature.
The result of turbulence is the mixing of fresh meltwater from the glacier and salty
water from the ocean.

It marks the first time that ocean activity beneath the Thwaites Glacier has been
accessed through a bore hole and that a scientific instrument measuring underlying
ocean turbulence and mixing has been deployed. The hole was opened on January 8 and 9
and the waters beneath the glacier measured January 10 and 11.

Aurora Basinski, an NYU graduate student who made the turbulence measurement, said,
"From our observations into the ocean cavity at the grounding zone we observed not
only the presence of warm water, but also its turbulence level and thus its efficiency
to melt the ice shelf base."

Another researcher, Keith Nicholls, a scientist with the British Antarctic Survey,
added, "This is an important result as this is the first time turbulent dissipation
measurements have been made in the critical grounding zone of the West Antarctic
Ice Sheet."
I can hear the Johnny Carson's audience shouting, "How warm was it?"

Click on the original link, or read it above, to see if you can find out how warm it was.
You know, in degrees Celsius, Fahrenheit or Kelvin. Do you guys find it even remotely
curious that the important fact of what the temperature of the water actually was is
missing from the story? It's first thing I looked for, how 'bout you?
 
Bad news, and worse coming. Scientists find record warm water in Antarctica,
pointing to cause behind troubling glacier melt -- ScienceDaily
Here's the text from your link:

A team of scientists has observed, for the first time, the presence of warm water
at a vital point underneath a glacier in Antarctica -- an alarming discovery that
points to the cause behind the gradual melting of this ice shelf while also raising
concerns about sea-level rise around the globe.
Share:

FULL STORY
A team of scientists has observed, for the first time, the presence of warm water
at a vital point underneath a glacier in Antarctica -- an alarming discovery that
points to the cause behind the gradual melting of this ice shelf while also raising
concerns about sea-level rise around the globe.

"Warm waters in this part of the world, as remote as they may seem, should serve as
a warning to all of us about the potential dire changes to the planet brought about
by climate change," explains David Holland, director of New York University's
Environmental Fluid Dynamics Laboratory and NYU Abu Dhabi's Center for Global Sea
Level Change, which conducted the research. "If these waters are causing glacier
melt in Antarctica, resulting changes in sea level would be felt in more inhabited
parts of the world."

The recorded warm waters -- more than two degrees above freezing -- flow beneath the
Thwaites Glacier, which is part of the Western Antarctic Ice Sheet. The discovery was
made at the glacier's grounding zone -- the place at which the ice transitions between
resting fully on bedrock and floating on the ocean as an ice shelf and which is key
to the overall rate of retreat of a glacier.

Thwaites' demise alone could have significant impact globally.

It would drain a mass of water that is roughly the size of Great Britain or the state
of Florida and currently accounts for approximately 4 percent of global sea-level rise.
Some scientists see Thwaites as the most vulnerable and most significant glacier in
the world in terms of future global sea-level rise -- its collapse would raise global
sea levels by nearly one meter, perhaps overwhelming existing populated areas.

While the glacier's recession has been observed over the past decade, the causes
behind this change had previously not been determined.

"The fact that such warm water was just now recorded by our team along a section of
Thwaites grounding zone where we have known the glacier is melting suggests that it
may be undergoing an unstoppable retreat that has huge implications for global sea
level rise," notes Holland, a professor at NYU's Courant Institute of Mathematical
Sciences.

The scientists' measurements were made in early January, after the research team
created a 600-meter deep and 35-centimeter wide access hole and deployed an ocean-
sensing device to measure the waters moving below the glacier's surface. This device
gauges the turbulence of the water as well as other properties such as temperature.
The result of turbulence is the mixing of fresh meltwater from the glacier and salty
water from the ocean.

It marks the first time that ocean activity beneath the Thwaites Glacier has been
accessed through a bore hole and that a scientific instrument measuring underlying
ocean turbulence and mixing has been deployed. The hole was opened on January 8 and 9
and the waters beneath the glacier measured January 10 and 11.

Aurora Basinski, an NYU graduate student who made the turbulence measurement, said,
"From our observations into the ocean cavity at the grounding zone we observed not
only the presence of warm water, but also its turbulence level and thus its efficiency
to melt the ice shelf base."

Another researcher, Keith Nicholls, a scientist with the British Antarctic Survey,
added, "This is an important result as this is the first time turbulent dissipation
measurements have been made in the critical grounding zone of the West Antarctic
Ice Sheet."
I can hear the Johnny Carson's audience shouting, "How warm was it?"

Click on the original link, or read it above, to see if you can find out how warm it was.
You know, in degrees Celsius, Fahrenheit or Kelvin. Do you guys find it even remotely
curious that the important fact of what the temperature of the water actually was is
missing from the story? It's first thing I looked for, how 'bout you?

And if it was reported on the story, you’d be whining that the number of megajoules of energy wasn’t reported.

Classic denier whine.
 
And if it was reported on the story, you’d be whining that the number of megajoules of energy wasn’t reported.

Classic denier whine.

Nice straw man, but what's important here is the reporters from Science Daily didn't bother
to ask the obvious question that Carson's audience would have shouted out immediately.

So how warm do you think the water is at the grounding line of the Thwaites glacier?
 
Old news for those of us paying attention, but a timely reminder that soon the Super Bowls in Florida may have to move closer to Orlando.

Not to Ruin the Super Bowl, but the Sea Is Consuming Miami | WIRED



In other words, Miami is ****ed. We've known it for years. But, of course, no one really wants to address the underlying issue. So, we wait.

Enjoy the game.

Nothing to see here folks. Just more ignorant alarmism.

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June 28, 2019 in Alarmism.
 
Nothing to see here folks. Just more ignorant alarmism.

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[URL="https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/06/28/floridas-climate-crisis-and-sea-level-non-sequitur/"]June 28, 2019[/URL] in Alarmism.


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WUWT why am I not surprised. :lamo
 
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