The Sanders Circus (1 Viewer)

[Crunchtime]

I'm sorry. Did Miriam Adelson not contribute over $100 million to Trump's campaign in 2024 as a single-issue Israel first donor? Did Elon Musk (a foreigner) not contribute over $250 million + the acquisition and deregulation of Xitter in 2024?

Or are you just here to bitch about the comparatively paltry amount Soros donated to Democrats?

Your comment was a slur and anti semitic. You said the GOP was funded and run by Zionists and foreign billionaires. …and run by. You said that. Retract it or redact it. I couldn’t care less. We’re done. Have a great day.

 

[Gozaburo]

Your comment was a slur and anti semitic. You said the GOP was funded and run by Zionists and foreign billionaires. …and run by. You said that. Retract it or redact it. I couldn’t care less. We’re done. Have a great day.

 

[The Mark]

No, I'll trade you no politicians on our side for no politicians on your side.

Rich people are not the problem; the state is the problem.

Rich people aren't the problem, but rich people having too large a percentage of wealth IS the problem.

 

[ElChupacabra]

Infinitely better than the public appearances of illiterate MAGApedes and cringelord spergs like Elon.

Nope, not a circus at all, perfectly normal.

 

[Gozaburo]

Nope, not a circus at all, perfectly normal.

In history class we would make fun of the vulgarity in the Roman senate. Pretty rich seeing where we are now.

 

[Ishm]

The fact that we pay so much is strong evidence of the market not being allowed to work.

That'll be why the countries with 100% govt involvement do so much better then?

 

[Gozaburo]

That'll be why the countries with 100% govt involvement do so much better then?

Somalia and Libya are well established Libertarian paradises.

 

[aociswundumho]

That'll be why the countries with 100% govt involvement do so much better then?

You mean North Korea and Cuba? They don't do much better than we do, they do far worse.

 

[Ishm]

You mean North Korea and Cuba? They don't do much better than we do, they do far worse.

No! I mean countries like Finland, UK, Australia, New Zealand (all ones I have personally lived in. And just about every other western nation. We have a massive misconception of how good the American healthcare system is on average. It's great if you are wealthy, super well insured, and money doesn't matter, but on average it is no better than systems that cost their people half as much.

 

[j brown's body]

You mean North Korea and Cuba? They don't do much better than we do, they do far worse.

Or our own country, the United States, from the 1940s into the 1980s.

 

[Risky Thicket]

I kind of hope they do a town hall near my neck of the woods.

They were very well received in Tempe and in Tucson. Big crowds. There's proof as Trump does not talk about crowd size unless it's a crowd to see Trump. And then, he is soooooooo insecure he lies about the numbers.

 

[aociswundumho]

No! I mean countries like Finland, UK, Australia, New Zealand (all ones I have personally lived in.

None of those have "100% govt involvement" You wrote:

That'll be why the countries with 100% govt involvement do so much better then?

And just about every other western nation. We have a massive misconception of how good the American healthcare system is on average. It's great if you are wealthy, super well insured, and money doesn't matter, but on average it is no better than systems that cost their people half as much.

I agree.

 

[rahl]

Haven’t you been paying attention? The slimming down of government. The bloat of liberal spending being dealt with. The USA on Slimfast.

Liberal spending? Republicans outspend and add more to the national debt than democrats do lol.

 

[rahl]

There are very few things that the market can't do much better and much cheaper than the government.

Of course there is. It’s why governments are necessary to begin with. And why there are no and have never been a libertarian society outside of batshit crazy communes consisting of a few dozen people following a cult leader living in absolute squaller

 

[rahl]

The fact that we pay so much is strong evidence of the market not being allowed to work.

Healthcare doesn’t and can’t function as a normal free market commodity.

 

[Crunchtime]

Liberal spending? Republicans outspend and add more to the national debt than democrats do lol.

What do liberals spend money on? That’s the point of DOGE, isn’t it. To get rid of the bloat.

 

[rahl]

What do liberals spend money on? That’s the point of DOGE, isn’t it. To get rid of the bloat.

Republicans outspend and add more to the debt than democrats.

 

[Ishm]

None of those have "100% govt involvement" You wrote:

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Why do you say that? I've lived in all of the ones I listed and never had to pay for any sort of private medical insurance etc. You can of course buy it if you want to, but it's not necessary. Instead of private insurance, the govts collect your taxes and fund/run the healthcare system from those.

 

[aociswundumho]

Healthcare doesn’t and can’t function as a normal free market commodity.

That statement is falsified by the existence of the large and growing medical tourism industry. Every year hundreds of thousands of Americans shop for and purchase the service of healthcare for cash.

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You might have an argument for emergency care, but that's only about 2% of healthcare spending.

 

[rahl]

That statement is falsified by the existence of the large and growing medical tourism industry. Every year hundreds of thousands of Americans shop for and purchase the service of healthcare for cash.

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You might have an argument for emergency care, but that's only about 2% of healthcare spending.

Healthcare does not and can not function as a free market commodity. You can’t shop around when you have a heart attack, get into a car accident etc. People don’t have the cash for procedures not covered by insurance in the US. Which is why it doesn’t function as a normal commodity.

 

[aociswundumho]

Healthcare does not and can not function as a free market commodity.

It does function as such. As I said, literally hundreds of thousands of Americans shop for and purchase healthcare abroad each year. Why is that so hard to accept? If you know what kind of medical procedure you need, whether it's a facelift or a cancer treatment, then why couldn't you shop clinics which offer these services for cash?

You can’t shop around when you have a heart attack, get into a car accident etc. People don’t have the cash for procedures not covered by insurance in the US. Which is why it doesn’t function as a normal commodity.

I addressed emergency care in the other post. It's only about 2% of healthcare spending. The other 98% can go free market.

 

[j brown's body]

What do liberals spend money on? That’s the point of DOGE, isn’t it. To get rid of the bloat.

It's to get rid of pretty much everything. Put it all in private hands. Like that prison where the immigrants died. Its the Golden Age.

 

[rahl]

It does function as such.

It doesn’t.

As I said, literally hundreds of thousands of Americans shop for and purchase healthcare abroad each year.

Because they can’t get it here.

Why is that so hard to accept?

Because it’s fax totally incorrect. Healthcare is not a market commodity.

If you know what kind of medical procedure you need, whether it's a facelift or a cancer treatment, then why couldn't you shop clinics which offer these services for cash?

Price. If you’re rich, you’re fine. Most people aren’t.

I addressed emergency care in the other post. It's only about 2% of healthcare spending. The other 98% can go free market.

No they can’t, which is why they don’t. Because healthcare is not a market commodity.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Healthcare doesn’t and can’t function as a normal free market commodity.

Can’t that (Progressive?) argument be made for any perceived ‘need’ like food, clothing, shelter and utility services?

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[trixare4kids]

DAVID MARCUS: Sanders-AOC comedy tour is sign of far-left desperation
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/david-marcus-sanders-aoc-comedy-tour-sign-far-left-desperation

Could this be the last gasp of Democratic Socialism? Could Bernie and AOC be doing a fair well tour without even knowing it? The Oligarchy Tour? Are they serious or just desperately desperate?

It could be.
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