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Correction: Election integrity and security.Fine speech coming from the party passing new voting restrictions because they're mad they lost the last election.
Right on the money. And you better believe they have plenty spies here, stoking the fire. We are being taken down from within. Notice how many times a day we hear the MSM saying the words "white supremacy". I'd like to see a word search for that and "racism" done on CNN and MSNBC.Here is the meat:
" The percentage of attacks and plots committed by active-duty and reserve personnel rose in 2020 to 6.4 percent of all attacks and plots (7 of 110 total), up from 1.5 percent in 2019 (1 of 65 total) and none in 2018. Active-duty personnel perpetrated 4.5 percent of the attacks in 2020 (five incidents), and reservists conducted 1.8 percent (two incidents). While these individuals represent a tiny percentage of all current active-duty and reserve personnel, the increased number of incidents is still concerning.11 "
So what is drawing on all the hand wringing is 110 incidents in 2020, 7 of them involved active-duty or reserve personnel. 7 out of how many tens of thousands of active-duty and reserves? Compared to over 110+ nights of terror in Portland plus other cities, seems their focus is misplaced.
This is just the next false narrative brought to you by big media and they are using the headline to fool people that there is a problem so they can demand 'loyalty' oaths from our military. The CCP is having a good laugh over this. The left is absolutely destroying our country and our military, the best in the world, is the focus of their efforts now.
As long as we continue to talk past each other, there will be no end in sight. What does this kind of post accomplish. How does it make anything better? I'm not trying to be sarcastic, I'm seriously concerned.How about saying in this thread the reality of White Supremacist homegrown terrorists, rightwing lunatics all lathered up by trump. The deadly insurrection isn't enough for these weak, racist cowards. These are right wing extremists.
Except, it doesn't match reality. There are far more examples of left extremist activity, including additional examples last night. I'd prefer that we condemn all the extremist violence.
Article behind paywall, but appears to be more partisan spinning and an attempt to be devisive from WaPo.
It makes things better when people who are denying this are shown facts to wake them up. If anyone is talking past each other here, it's the ones who defend white nationalists and white supremacists in the United States of American. The right wing extremism is a problem, those who deny that, condone it.As long as we continue to talk past each other, there will be no end in sight. What does this kind of post accomplish. How does it make anything better? I'm not trying to be sarcastic, I'm seriously concerned.
It was an isurrection - an attempt to interfere in a lawful government process. That's what happened. Not 'treason', 'attempt to overthrow', 'rebellion', 'coup', etc. Thanks for getting the terminology right. That's been a challenge for many.A nice begining would be the Right claiming responsibility for Jan 6, and calling it what it was, insurrection.
No one is 'defending white nationalists and white supremacists'. Society has pretty well rejected these, and their numbers are small. It IS very concerning that some on the left give them disproportional attention, blowing them up as a strawman.It makes things better when people who are denying this are shown facts to wake them up. If anyone is talking past each other here, it's the ones who defend white nationalists and white supremacists in the United States of American. The right wing extremism is a problem, those who deny that, condone it.
So are you arguing over who are the worst rioters left or right? I think you should be thinking how we get back to the middle and fix this problem.WaPo stating the oh so obvious.
Data shows a surge in homegrown attacks not seen in a quarter-centuryDomestic terrorism incidents have soared to new highs in the United States, driven chiefly by white-supremacist, anti-Muslim and anti-government extremists on the far right, according to a Washington Post analysis of data compiled by the Center for Strategic and International Studies.The surge reflects a growing threat from homegrown terrorism not seen in a quarter-century, with right-wing extremist attacks and plots greatly eclipsing those from the far left and causing more deaths, the analysis shows.
It was an isurrection - an attempt to interfere in a lawful government process. That's what happened. Not 'treason', 'attempt to overthrow', 'rebellion', 'coup', etc. Thanks for getting the terminology right. That's been a challenge for many.
There's plenty of blame to go around on this. Certainly, Trump stirred the pot, and could have attempted to intervene sooner. Some on the fringe right pushed some outlandish theories - which detracted from the many legitimate concerns. The courts flat abdicated their responsibility in this regard - and the left discounted everything screaming 'it was perfect! No problems! And of course the biggest issue was probably the security failure by the capitol police and seargents at arms - leaving them unprepared for the crowd.
There was no insurrection on 1/6/21.A nice begining would be the Right claiming responsibility for Jan 6, and calling it what it was, insurrection.
I'd agree and call this assessment fair.You watch the timeline, and Trump's response in that timeline, negligence. This country dodged a bullet by not giving him a second term. Trumps words and inaction on Jan 6, shameful!
As long as we continue to talk past each other, there will be no end in sight. What does this kind of post accomplish. How does it make anything better? I'm not trying to be sarcastic, I'm seriously concerned.
Sicknick wasn't murdered - I know that is inconvenient for your BS narrative. The DOJ has had to back off from going for sedition and other serious charges because why? Just like Russia collusion hoax, the media narrative and the corrupt establishment attempt (again) to 'get Trump' came up with nothing.No, the CCP had a great laugh on January 6. Prior to that day, your attempts to minimize the risk might have been more convincing. Now, after the entire nation witnessed right wing extremists storm the capitol, murder cops and chant for Pence to be hung based on imaginary fraud? You are not so credible now.
And some of those spies are even sleeping with high level Dems and yet nothing comes of it.Right on the money. And you better believe they have plenty spies here, stoking the fire. We are being taken down from within. Notice how many times a day we hear the MSM saying the words "white supremacy". I'd like to see a word search for that and "racism" done on CNN and MSNBC.
The right wing reaction in this thread is almost identical to a thread about 1/6. It's all about acting like it's no big deal or denying any of it even happened.It makes things better when people who are denying this are shown facts to wake them up. If anyone is talking past each other here, it's the ones who defend white nationalists and white supremacists in the United States of American. The right wing extremism is a problem, those who deny that, condone it.
Yes, the trump party right wing are anti-American, and were thrilled to see the trump incited insurrection on our Capitol on January 6, 2021. Like trump, they were wetting their pants to see it succeed, and rip away the results of a valid American election, and shit on our democracy. They deny white supremacists, white nationalists and extremist homegrown terrorists, because just as they support trump, they support those groups in the United States of America. American trash, all of them.The right wing reaction in this thread is almost identical to a thread about 1/6. It's all about acting like it's no big deal or denying any of it even happened.
You keep throwing out these straw men, "it's the ones who defend white nationalists and white supremacists". And "right wing extremism is a problem, those who deny that, condone it." Who is "defending white nationalists"? Or "denying right wing extremists are a problem"? I haven't. I have the same disdain for thugs of any ilk. Let me ask you this though, do you believe the biggest threat to the black community is white supremacy?It makes things better when people who are denying this are shown facts to wake them up. If anyone is talking past each other here, it's the ones who defend white nationalists and white supremacists in the United States of American. The right wing extremism is a problem, those who deny that, condone it.
Except, it doesn't match reality. There are far more examples of left extremist activity, including additional examples last night. I'd prefer that we condemn all the extremist violence.
Article behind paywall, but appears to be more partisan spinning and an attempt to be devisive from WaPo.
You keep throwing out these straw men, "it's the ones who defend white nationalists and white supremacists". And "right wing extremism is a problem, those who deny that, condone it." Who is "defending white nationalists"? Or "denying right wing extremists are a problem"? I haven't. I have the same disdain for thugs of any ilk. Let me ask you this though, do you believe the biggest threat to the black community is white supremacy?
No straw men, mrdeltoid.....and I never said you were one to deny that right wing extremism is a problem, did I? However, many on the right here and in real life do deny it. There are a lot of threats in the black community, and a big one is racism, mostly cops who think that driving, jogging or walking while black is a crime, and a crime whose punishment is immediate death. Of course there are drug dealers, gangs, etc. in the black community, just like any other community in America and those things are threats to all Americans.You keep throwing out these straw men, "it's the ones who defend white nationalists and white supremacists". And "right wing extremism is a problem, those who deny that, condone it." Who is "defending white nationalists"? Or "denying right wing extremists are a problem"? I haven't. I have the same disdain for thugs of any ilk. Let me ask you this though, do you believe the biggest threat to the black community is white supremacy?
And the conservatives are "what about ANTIFA" and the progressives are "what about January 6th", and yada yada yada. To your point, I agree, you can't reason with people like that, and they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. I condemn that. I condemn the January 6th riot, I condemn the riots from last summer, I condemn the riots that are happening now. I gotta say though, I get the impression, that some DP posters have no interest in productive discussion and exchange of ideas, but would rather toss verbal daggers.I can’t see any real advantage in trying to reason with people who stage Nazi styled torchlight parades and march in front of synagogues shouting “Jews will not replace us”.
I think that since you are attempting to deflect with personal attacks, that you really lose the point.There's a valid distinction between massive civil unrest, after another case of police brutality, and the right-wing terrorist groups and plots the article mentioned. As a moderate, I'm disgusted by both. But, to compare them as you have is profoundly dumb.
I think your qualifications to declare what reality is is suspect. When a mob of disenfranchised black people burn down a Walmart, they don't kid themselves that it will overthrow our democracy, just slap us all awake to their pain. The right wing groups, however, aren't trying to change this country, they're trying to destroy it and replace it with a fascist state. THAT is the difference, as I see it. Therefore, your comparison is a strawman and, worse, ignores the relative agendas of the groups, one to change institutional racism and the other to preserve it.
I think that since you are attempting to deflect with personal attacks, that you really lose the point.
What difference does the agenda make? At a base level, these groups want social change - and neither is trying to combat/promote racism. Once they become destructive though - they are done. They become criminals, and vandals, and in many cases terrorists. If they burn down a police station, or a walmart, or a courthouse, or a labor building, or a city - it's bad! Assaulting police to break into the capitol and disrupt an official function - is also bad. In both cases, once they resort to violence and destruction they lose any ability to promote a valid message.
But we know that numbers are a liberal plot... and have a distinct leftward bias.even accounting for that, the white supremecists are worse, by the numbers
No, because you are using personal attacks and other deflection, rather that reason/facts, you lost the debate.Well, it is dumb to think intentions don't matter. It's a copout to say that calling your idea dumb means I lose the debate. Considered intentions are one of the variables when one makes moral judgements. Someone who steals to eat is not as bad as someone who steals for profit. Someone who kills in self defense is not as bad as someone who kills for fun. You see? You should. The justice system and every major religion sees the difference.
The BLM and antfa rioters have a legitimate beef, if not a legitimate way of complaining. The fascist hoard had neither. The election wasn't stolen but the liberties of black people sure as **** have been. So, arguably, one side is more justified than the other in engaging in violence.
The idea that all violence is equal is false. The fascists were trying to undermine our democracy, not have their voice heard.
If you are offended by the way I characterized your thought process, I apologize. Now, show one iota of comprehension that the two groups are not equally bad.
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