The Right to Abort is the Moral Position

[maquiscat]

A fetus has it's entire set of chromosomes the same as an adult.

So does a human cancer tumor. What's your point?

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[weaver2]

I already provided the step-by-step solution.

Most of them impossible to accomplish. Since you can't come up with anything one has to assume you don't really want the problem solved. It's too enjoyable as is. Esdvery time you post that women are immoral and abortion is evil you boost your won ego just a little bit and a little frisson of excitement runs up your spine. It's the sacrifice of women's live to your ego.

 

[maquiscat]

What if your wife was in a vegetative state, i.e. coma, then she snapped out of it. Was she unworthy of life while she was in the coma?

Your example does not parallel since the woman in a coma is not taking from the body of another. And if she was, then that person could choose to stop providing from their body at any time even if the woman died from it.

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[maquiscat]

No. Consciousness is not a determinant of worth. The life of someone in a vegetative state is just as valuable as anyone else's. Your bringing up dead people is a silly diversion.

Since the value would be subjective, you have no argument here. Unless the vegetative person has a living will, then only the next of kin gets to determine value and worth.

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[maquiscat]

There you go. You have just explained why abortion is wrong. A woman can do what she wants to her body, but that freedom ends at the body of ANOTHER human.

Except that it is the ZEF that is the rights violator since it is the one violating the woman's bodily autonomy if she does not give or withdraws consent. This is the same as if we get into a ring to box. You gave consent for me to hit you, but you can still withdraw it at any time. The ZEFs rights ends at the woman's body.

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[maquiscat]

Of course abortion harms another human. It kills them. 100% of the time. It's much more violent than rape which rarely kills its victim. Illegality is irrelevant since that is the whole point of the abortion discussion.

Actually false. Abortions are also used for when the ZEF dies in the womb on its own, but is not expelled from the body naturally. So no not 100% of the time.

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[maquiscat]

The rape victim could be taking from the rapist in all kind of ways beforehand. But what does that have to do with the rape vs abortion? You're bringing in an unrelated factor.

Actually you are the one who first brought it up here:

Should it be the right of each man to make his own decision about whether to commit rape or not? It's his body, isn't it?

So what exactly is the rape victim taking from the rapist prior to the rape?

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[Dacke]

So does a human cancer tumor. What's your point?

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Not to mention every other cell in the human body. In fact, it even applies to the dead.

 

[Mashmont]

Except that it is the ZEF that is the rights violator since it is the one violating the woman's bodily autonomy if she does not give or withdraws consent. This is the same as if we get into a ring to box. You gave consent for me to hit you, but you can still withdraw it at any time. The ZEFs rights ends at the woman's body.

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A baby isn't attacking or killing a woman, whereas the aborting women want to attack and destroy the baby.

 

[Mashmont]

Actually you are the one who first brought it up here:

You brought up bodily functions. As I said, it has nothing to do with rape v abortion.

 

[Mashmont]

Your example does not parallel since the woman in a coma is not taking from the body of another. And if she was, then that person could choose to stop providing from their body at any time even if the woman died from it.

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What does that have to do with the price of eggs in China? The natural process of gestation is not a grounds for slaughtering another human being.

 

[Mashmont]

Actually false. Abortions are also used for when the ZEF dies in the womb on its own, but is not expelled from the body naturally. So no not 100% of the time.

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Do you enjoy meaningless splitting of hairs? I guess it diverts from the argument.

 

[Mashmont]

Since the value would be subjective, you have no argument here. Unless the vegetative person has a living will, then only the next of kin gets to determine value and worth.

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The objectively moral view is that human life is precious. Immoral people may not think so.

 

[Mashmont]

Most of them impossible to accomplish. Since you can't come up with anything one has to assume you don't really want the problem solved. It's too enjoyable as is. Esdvery time you post that women are immoral and abortion is evil you boost your won ego just a little bit and a little frisson of excitement runs up your spine. It's the sacrifice of women's live to your ego.

I just came up with the solution, but you apparently aren't interested in solutions.

 

[Mashmont]

So does a human cancer tumor. What's your point?

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A cancer tumor is not an organism.

 

[Scrabaholic]

can you join the abortion threads please? you're the "Conservative" voice that's needed.

This is in the abortion forum.

 

[Mashmont]

All of a sudden we.are.full of abortion threads

Poor pro lifers are beating their heads against the wall

Many vote republican thinking they are pro life. But like all the other campaign rhetoric coming from republicans in the end they never accomplish anything on the pro life agenda. Republicans = tax cuts for the rich and deregulation that increases.corporate.profits.

A woman's right to choose is settled law. Your arguments are all emotional. Until you get the law changed you can only rant on forums. Even if you do get the law changed you won't stop abortion. You will just make it.more.dangerous for the woman.

Your leftwing slave-owning counterparts of 150 years ago felt pretty complacent about their gravy train continuing. As always, however, evil laws eventually fall. Slavery did. Abortion will.

Abortion should be relegated to the back-alleys where it belongs, along with the pushers, pimps, and heroin shooters. It's a filthy nasty vile business.

 

[Scrabaholic]

Of course abortion harms another human. It kills them. 100% of the time. It's much more violent than rape which rarely kills its victim. Illegality is irrelevant since that is the whole point of the abortion discussion.

Zefs are not human beings. How does killing them harm them? They've never had a life, they are mindless, insensate.

 

[Scrabaholic]

Now we're getting to the nub of it. Pro-abortion folks don't care if it's a human life or not.

I don't know anyone who is pro abortion.

Anti choicers don't care about the woman's life, wants, desires, needs, health.

 

[Scrabaholic]

and if you hold live sacred that includes people during a pandemic.

why aren't they?

Exactly.

 

[Scrabaholic]

A baby isn't attacking or killing a woman, whereas the aborting women want to attack and destroy the baby.

Actually, it is. It is sucking her nutrients, affecting her physical well being, causing her great pain and discomfort and could even kill her.

 

[Mashmont]

Actually, it is. It is sucking her nutrients, affecting her physical well being, causing her great pain and discomfort and could even kill her.

It's a natural biological process. No point in griping about it.

 

[Scrabaholic]

The objectively moral view is that human life is precious. Immoral people may not think so.

What is so precious about it? And why?

 

[Scrabaholic]

It's a natural biological process. No point in griping about it.

That doesn't mean it's harmless.

Do let us know when YOUR body suffers the ravages of pregnancy/childbirth, k?

BTW, you are the one griping about abortion.

 

[Mashmont]

What is so precious about it? And why?

If I have to explain why human life is precious, you won't get it anyway. But the fact you don't know explains your endorsement abortion.