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The Republican health care plan Please explain

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What is it? When the RW wins the senate and in a few years the POTUS, what will replace Obamacare/ACA?
 
I always assumed that the GOP healthcare plan was just the default plan before Obamacare.
 
mak2 said:
What is it? When the RW wins the senate and in a few years the POTUS, what will replace Obamacare/ACA?
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H.R. 3121, the RSC's American Health Care Reform Act:
•Fully repeals President Obama's health care law, eliminating billions in taxes and thousands of pages of unworkable regulations and mandates that are driving up health care costs.
•Spurs competition to lower health care costs by allowing Americans to purchase health insurance across state lines and enabling small businesses to pool together and get the same buying power as large corporations.
•Reforms medical malpractice laws in a commonsense way that limits trial lawyer fees and non-economic damages while maintaining strong protections for patients.
•Provides tax reform that allows families and individuals to deduct health care costs, just like companies, leveling the playing field and providing all Americans with a standard deduction for health insurance.
•Expands access to Health Savings Accounts (HSAs), increasing the amount of pre-tax dollars individuals can deposit into portable savings accounts to be used for health care expenses.
•Safeguards individuals with pre-existing conditions from being discriminated against purchasing health insurance by bolstering state-based high risk pools and extending HIPAA guaranteed availability protections.

The American Health Care Reform Act | Republican Study Committee (RSC)
 
mak2 said:
What is it? When the RW wins the senate and in a few years the POTUS, what will replace Obamacare/ACA?
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Assuming they do, tax cuts, limitations on medical provider liability, interstate sales of health insurance, health savings accounts. You know, the same old failed ideas the RW has been babbling about for years.
 
One of the problems the Republicans have faced is a large variety of plans and no commitment or broad support for any one plan. Of course it doesn't help that the left stream media ignores nearly all of them completely. Issues raised by Republicans that would actually help don't even cost the tax payers a dime ( a concept unimaginable to the left) which include limits on judgments or tort reform which would reduce insurance costs for hospitals and professionals. Also allowing competitive issuance of insurance across state lines would help create more competition and this lower prices for everyone...even the government itself. One area Republicans continue to promote are IRA type savings accounts for health care...a plan that actually favors those who work hard, succeed and save (a group the left just wants to rape and plunder at each turn).
 
Such victims, why bother?
CalGun said:
One of the problems the Republicans have faced is a large variety of plans and no commitment or broad support for any one plan. Of course it doesn't help that the left stream media ignores nearly all of them completely. Issues raised by Republicans that would actually help don't even cost the tax payers a dime ( a concept unimaginable to the left) which include limits on judgments or tort reform which would reduce insurance costs for hospitals and professionals. Also allowing competitive issuance of insurance across state lines would help create more competition and this lower prices for everyone...even the government itself. One area Republicans continue to promote are IRA type savings accounts for health care...a plan that actually favors those who work hard, succeed and save (a group the left just wants to rape and plunder at each turn).
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What part of this ensures there are no freeloaders? There will still be many americans seeking healthcare that work at McD's or somewhere that cannot pay, what is the plan?
Porchev said:
H.R. 3121, the RSC's American Health Care Reform Act:
•Fully repeals President Obama's health care law, eliminating billions in taxes and thousands of pages of unworkable regulations and mandates that are driving up health care costs.
•Spurs competition to lower health care costs by allowing Americans to purchase health insurance across state lines and enabling small businesses to pool together and get the same buying power as large corporations.
•Reforms medical malpractice laws in a commonsense way that limits trial lawyer fees and non-economic damages while maintaining strong protections for patients.
•Provides tax reform that allows families and individuals to deduct health care costs, just like companies, leveling the playing field and providing all Americans with a standard deduction for health insurance.
•Expands access to Health Savings Accounts (HSAs), increasing the amount of pre-tax dollars individuals can deposit into portable savings accounts to be used for health care expenses.
•Safeguards individuals with pre-existing conditions from being discriminated against purchasing health insurance by bolstering state-based high risk pools and extending HIPAA guaranteed availability protections.

The American Health Care Reform Act | Republican Study Committee (RSC)
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mak2 said:
What is it? When the RW wins the senate and in a few years the POTUS, what will replace Obamacare/ACA?
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That requires a complicated answer that hasn't yet been determined. Step one, however, is obvious and necessary: Repeal O-care.
 
mak2 said:
What part of this ensures there are no freeloaders? There will still be many americans seeking healthcare that work at McD's or somewhere that cannot pay, what is the plan?
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That plan would help to make it more affordable for everyone.

Here is some more info on Republican plans:

...Comprehensive Republican health reform plans introduced in Congress

Let’s start with 5 comprehensive health reform proposals that have actually been introduced in Congress—some well before President Obama even was nominated for president, and all months before the House (11/7/09) or Senate (12/24/09) voted on what eventually became Obamacare.
•Ten Steps to Transform Health Care in America Act (S. 1783) introduced by Senator Mike Enzi (R-WY) July 12, 2007.
•Every American Insured Health Act introduced by Senators Richard Burr (R-NC) and Bob Corker (R-TN) with co-sponsors Tom Coburn (R-OK), Mel Martinez (formerly R-FL) and Elizabeth Dole (formerly R-NC) on July 26, 2007.
•Senators Bob Bennett (R-UT) and Ron Wyden (D-OR) introduced the Healthy Americans Act on January 18, 2007 and re-introduced the same bill on February 5, 2009.
•Patients’ Choice Act of 2009 introduced by Senators Tom Coburn (R-OK) and Richard Burr (R-NC) and Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) and Devin Nunes (R-CA) on May 20, 2009. [See Update #1 for why this bill was of particular significance]
•H.R. 2300, Empowering Patients First Act introduced July 30, 2009 by Rep. Tom Price (R-GA).

Comprehensive conservative Obamacare replacement plans

Likewise, conservative market-oriented health policy scholars have developed a rich menu of potential replacement plans for Obamacare:



•Individual Pay or Play proposed in 2005 by John Goodman; this is a minimalist version of a broader reform envisaged by Goodman built on converting the tax exclusion into universal tax credits.
•Health Status Insurance originally proposed by John Cochrane in 1995.
•Universal Health Savings Accounts proposed by John Goodman and Peter Ferrara in 2012. This combines fixed tax credits with individual pay or play and health status insurance concepts along with Roth-style Health Savings Accounts.
•Fixed tax credits. A variety of proposals have centered on using fix tax credits to replace the current inefficient and unfair tax exclusion for employer-provided health benefits. Two good explanations of how that would work are here: •James C. Capretta and Robert E. Moffit, “How to Replace Obamacare,” National Affairs, no. 11 (Spring 2012).
•James C. Capretta. Constructing an Alternative to Obamacare: Key Details for a Practical Replacement Program. American Enterprise Institute, December 2012.

•Income-Related Tax Credits proposed by Mark Pauly and John Hoff in Responsible Tax Credits (2002) and endorsed by the American Medical Association. More recently, 8 scholars from Harvard, University of Chicago, and USC–Jay Bhattacharya, Amitabh Chandra, Michael Chernew, Dana Goldman, Anupam Jena, Darius Lakdawalla,Anup Malani and Tomas Philipson—released Best of Both Worlds: Uniting Universal Coverage and Personal Choice in Health Care (2013) which also is built around a model of individual health insurance subsidized with income-related tax credits.
•Flexible Benefits Tax Credit For Health Insurance by Lynn Etheredge in 2001.
•Near-Universal Health Insurance Exchanges proposed in 2001 by Sara Singer, Alan Garber and Alain Enthoven (covers only non-elderly).
•Universal Health Insurance Exchanges proposed in 2013 by former CBO director Douglas Holtz-Eakin and Avik Roy (covers Medicare and Medicaid in addition to privately insured).

The forgotten history of George W. Bush’s comprehensive health reform plan

Too many people conveniently ignore that in his 2007 State of the Union message President Bush proposed a sweeping health reform plan that would have replaced the current tax exclusion for employer-provided coverage with standard tax deductions for all individuals and families. The Bush plan called for a tax deduction that would have applied to payroll taxes as well as income taxes. Moreover, if one were worried about non-filers, the subsidy could easily have instead been structured as a refundable tax credit in which case even those without any income taxes would have gotten an additional amount. This is the kind of policy detail that easily could have been negotiated had the Democrats been in a cooperative mood in 2007. They were not. On the contrary, President Bush’s health plan was declared “dead on arrival” by Democrats in 2007. Yet it is Republicans who were tagged as being uncooperative and intransigent when they resisted the misguided direction that Obamacare seemed to be headed.

What’s sad is that the Bush plan actually was superior to Obamacare when it comes to providing universal coverage. Remember, Obamacare actually does not provided universal coverage. The latest figures from CBO says that when it is fully implemented in 2016, Obamacare will cut the number of uninsured by only 45%, covering 89% of the non-elderly. Even if illegal immigrants are excluded, this percentage rises to only 92%. In contrast, the Bush plan (without a mandate!) would have cut the number of uninsured by 65%. But that’s ancient history. Consider one of the newest market-oriented health reform plans put on the table by Jim Capretta and Douglas Holtz-Eakin. Compared to Obamacare, this plan would cost roughly the same amount yet cover 22% more (8 million!) uninsured. If there’s a superior alternative to the slow-motion train wreck now being implemented, why wouldn’t the President and Democrats in Congress want to seriously consider it as a replacement?




Of course even those willing to acknowledge Bush’s health reform plan then tend to counter with the claim that he wasn’t “serious” about his proposal. It was just a defensive move to defend Republicans in 2008 against the charge that the Republicans didn’t have a plan because they didn’t care about the issue (sound familiar). Those dubious about GWB’s “seriousness” about health reform should do the following thought experiment. Imagine that the Democrats in Congress had passed a bill containing the Bush administration’s health plan–no more, no less. Does anyone seriously believe GWB would have vetoed that bill? If not, I would argue his proposal was a serious one...."
Seriously? The Republicans Have No Health Plan? - Forbes
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Of course, more tax cuts for rich people and less accountability or restrictions on big business. What Republican plan isn't about that?
 
mak2 said:
What is it? When the RW wins the senate and in a few years the POTUS, what will replace Obamacare/ACA?
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Here it is!

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Oh, my bad. That was the other non existent entity.

Maybe this is it:

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Hmm.. no, that's not it either. Let me try again:

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Face it: The Republican health care plan is just a myth. It doesn't exist.
 
Everyone? What republican concept makes sure all Americans have access to healthcare? How does the Bush plan insure everyone? Do some poor people get healthcare for "free?"
Porchev said:
That plan would help to make it more affordable for everyone.

Here is some more info on Republican plans:
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Porchev said:
That plan would help to make it more affordable for everyone.
Here is some more info on Republican plans:
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Nothing is in committee to replace ACA with.
Repeal and replace were said to happen at the same time .
 
NIMBY said:
Nothing is in committee to replace ACA with.
Repeal and replace were said to happen at the same time .
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"Repeal and Replace" was nothing more than a catchy slogan for Boner to spout off. There was never a plan to replace it.
 
mak2 said:
Everyone? What republican concept makes sure all Americans have access to healthcare? How does the Bush plan insure everyone? Do some poor people get healthcare for "free?"
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I know it is fun for some to pretend the Republicans don't have any ideas or plans for healthcare, but there have been many and if the Republicans were involved in the process of ACA/Obamacare it would be a lot more popular...and more importantly, it would be more effective.

Here is another Republican health care reform solution: the Patients’ Choice Act---"The Patients’ Choice Act would put individuals in charge of their health care decisions and would increase access, affordability, and choice of health care plans. This proposal is a clear market-based reform that seeks to strengthen the relationship between the patient and the doctor."
Health Care - Tom Coburn, M.D., United States Senator from Oklahoma
 
So all Americans are covered under these plans?
 
mak2 said:
What is it?
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Republicans could score millions of political points that could be used for decades if they were to attempt to implement Nationalized Health Care.

It is against their ideology but it would give the Republicans a win that doesn't involve a war or destroying America's image by impeaching a president.
 
mak2 said:
So all Americans are covered under these plans?
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I'd just be happy to be left alone to find my own plan or pay my own way rather than being forced to accept something I don't want.
 
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