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scottyz said:The major proponent for this pro-torture stuff is a Republican administration....
Yet the vast majority if people who call themselves Republicans voted for Bush to represent them...RightatNYU said:Does Bush speak for all republicans? nope.
scottyz said:Yet the vast majority if people who call themselves Republicans voted for Bush to represent them...
Bush got the majority of Republican votes in 2000 and 2004. Most of the Republicans here seem to claim his low poll numbers are liberal media fabrications, propaganda or misinformation... The Republican party and Republican groups certainly haven't made any attempts to seperate themselves from Bush.RightatNYU said:Vast majority? Uh, no. Bush barely got the votes he needed versus McCain in the 2000 primary, and that's from primary voters who are not representative of the party as a whole.
And the point's moot because Bush ran as a conservative, which he's proved he's not. A lot of reps who supported him in 2000 don't any longer.
scottyz said:Bush got the majority of Republican votes in 2000 and 2004.
Most of the Republicans here seem to claim his low poll numbers are liberal media fabrications, propaganda or misinformation... The Republican party and Republican groups certainly haven't made any attempts to seperate themselves from Bush.
He is the official mouth piece for the Republican party.RightatNYU said:So? Saying that he is better than Gore and Kerry means that he is the official mouthpiece for all members of the party?
Gotta source for this claim? I've seen his approval rating go lower than 39%.His low poll numbers don't matter. Right now, his lowest approval rating average is 39%, which is better than EVERY OTHER PRESIDENT since 1963. He's not doing so bad.
scottyz said:He is the official mouth piece for the Republican party.
.Gotta source for this claim? I've seen his approval rating go lower than 39%
He is the mouth piece for the party AND the country. There certainly isn't much dissent in the Republican party about that. What he does can reflect negatively or positively on the entire party.RightatNYU said:No, he's not. He was the presidential candidate. It doesn't mean you can paint the entire party with that brush. Was John Kerry the official mouth piece for the democratic party? What about Gore? Dukakis?
I'm was interested in a source for this.his lowest approval rating average is 39%,which is better than EVERY OTHER PRESIDENT since 1963. He's not doing so bad.
scottyz said:He is the mouth piece for the party AND the country. There certainly isn't much dissent in the Republican party about that. What he does can reflect negatively or positively on the entire party.
John Kerry, Gore, Dukakis all represented the face of the Dem. party in those elections.
I'm was interested in a source for this.
Every president since 1963 has had approval ratings at one time or another that were lower than Bush's current rating. Those ratings include Lyndon Johnson's 35%, Richard Nixon's 24%, Gerald Ford's 37%, Jimmy Carter's 28%, Ronald Reagan's 35%, the elder George Bush's 29% and Bill Clinton's 37%.
McCain isn't battling dems over this, he is battling a Republican admin. that claims to have a "mandate".
Why aren't we hearing from them?RightatNYU said:It still does nothing to paint all republicans with the same brush. There IS a large contingent of republicans who are angry about the way bush is handling things.
I've seen his approval ratings listed in the 35%-37% range which would put him on par with 4 of the presidents listed. Even 39% is still very low for a sitting war president. Unlike those other guys, Bush still has 3 years to bring his ratings down further.http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-10-17-bushapproval_x.htm
By this measure, Bush is doing the best out of any president in the past 40 years.
scottyz said:Why aren't we hearing from them?
scottyz said:The major proponent for this pro-torture stuff is a Republican administration....
tecoyah said:Part of the reason McCain had to step up:
Bush will veto anti-torture law after Senate revolt
By Francis Harris in Washington
(Filed: 07/10/2005)
The Bush administration pledged yesterday to veto legislation banning the torture of prisoners by US troops after an overwhelming and almost unprecedented revolt by loyalist congressmen.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/mai...s207.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/10/07/ixworld.html
"We do not torture," Mr Bush told reporters during a visit to Panama.
The Senate has passed legislation banning torture, but the Bush administration is seeking an exemption for the CIA spy agency.
"We do not torture and therefore we're working with Congress to make sure that as we go forward, we make it more possible to do our job," Mr Bush said.
hipsterdufus said:I think McCain will win this fight and Bush will lose even more "capital"
That's why it doesn't make any sense. If do not torture than why do we need to be able to torture? It's like Saddam saying he built his torture rooms just for show, but not to use. I suppose even if he doesn't get his way the U.S. will still be sending prisoners to countries where they can be legally tortured.shuamort said:Umm, if "we do not torture", then there really is no need for the CIA to have an exemption. Of course, if "we do not torture", then there really shouldn't be pictures either or Gonzales' torture memos.
George_Washington said:That seems like an ok law in my book. But at the same time I will say that it seems like other countries don't care as much if our soldiers get tortured.
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