The reason drugs should not be legalized...

[Danbury]

Of course you believe that guns are an 'other-inflicton', I mean infliction.

Huh?

1) Did you not read the part of my post where I discuss self-inflicted gun shots?:
2) You think guns are not inflicted on others? How bizarre. Tip: They are. Often.

 

[SMTA]

Huh?

1) Did you not read the part of my post where I discuss self-inflicted gun shots?:
2) You think guns are not inflicted on others? How bizarre. Tip: They are. Often.

Please look up extrapolation, logic, and common sense.

These clues might be very helpful for you.

 

[Danbury]

Please look up extrapolation, logic, and common sense.

These clues might be very helpful for you.

Perhaps, but you don't explain your simply ignoring my having mentioned suicide by gun (self-infliction) and just say I didn't say anything about it, while also saying guns are not inflicted on others, which is, frankly, just bizarre. Extrapolation: Drugs are like guns in that neither is inflicted on others; logic: drugs are like guns in that neither is inflicted on others; common sense: drugs are like guns in that neither is inflicted on others.

Okey dokey, Pokey.

 

[Andalublue]

LOL. How about a country full of sober people?

I'm pretty sure it's not the drunk or stoned who have run the economy into the ground, taken us all into a state of permanent war and destroyed the climate and environment in the way it has thus far been effed up. Sobriety is way over-rated.

 

[SMTA]

I wish? I wish what? While both are serious public health issues and social issues affecting the US, they have nothing other than that in common. For example, where self-infliction is concerned, drugs are a much bigger problem, IMO. Someone commits suicide by gun, as far as societal impact goes, meh. Really no biggie. But drug use and addiction had enormous societal consequences.

However, where other-inflicion is concerned, guns are a much bigger problem than drugs. People generally tend to not run around with magazines of, say, heroin, shooting up innocent victims.

So analogizing guns with drugs doesn't work.

However, if ever there is some kind of massive military-style blow dart that can inject heroin into multiple people in a matter of seconds, yes, I think then you'll have an analogy.

They are called drug dealers.

They kill many more people than guns in illegal hands.

But don't worry about that.

 

[Danbury]

They are called drug dealers.

They kill many more people than guns in illegal hands.

But don't worry about that.

Oh, I see. Drug dealers inflict drugs not only on but into unwilling innocent bystanders AND at clips of 30 shots a second! Wow. I had no idea. So you are equating, say, the kindergartener killed in Newtown, Ct., with the junkie/drug user who buys the drugs from the dealer? But it's phonetic typos that are evidence of low intelligence. Got it.

 

[SMTA]

Oh, I see. Drug dealers inflict drugs not only on but into unwilling innocent bystanders AND at clips of 30 shots a second! Wow. I had no idea. So you are equating, say, the kindergartener killed in Newtown, Ct., with the junkie/drug user who buys the drugs from the dealer? But it's phonetic typos that are evidence of low intelligence. Got it.

30 shots a second - are you 12?

Looks like another clown cheeseball for the ignore list.

 

[Danbury]

30 shots a second - are you 12?

Looks like another clown cheeseball for the ignore list.

12? am I mistaken that there are guns that can get a massive load off in a very short amount of time?

Ignore list? Pride goeth before a fall, SMTA. I'm sorry I bagged you on the grammar thing, but you're the one who said it's a sign of low intelligence. I disagreed. Shouldn't I be ignoring you, therefore?

 

[Danbury]

30 shots a second - are you 12?

Looks like another clown cheeseball for the ignore list.

Doesn't it strike you as rather interesting that the same people who are all about defending the 2nd Amendment, who are very tough macho gun-totin' he-men...put anonymous strangers on ignore because they disagree with them???? Lol. Reminds me of how the NRA's first move after Newtown was to take their Facebook page down. Gun nuts: "Ain't guns we're askeered of! It's words!"

 

[americanwoman]

Oh, I see. Drug dealers inflict drugs not only on but into unwilling innocent bystanders AND at clips of 30 shots a second! Wow. I had no idea. So you are equating, say, the kindergartener killed in Newtown, Ct., with the junkie/drug user who buys the drugs from the dealer? But it's phonetic typos that are evidence of low intelligence. Got it.

Cartels have done exteme acts of mass murder on whole families with no guns. To says drug dealers are not equal in violence just shows no understanding of the drug trade.

 

[Danbury]

Cartels have done exteme acts of mass murder on whole families with no guns. To says drug dealers are not equal in violence just shows no understanding of the drug trade.

I didn't say drug dealer violence isn't equal to gun violence.

 

[Removable Mind]

I'm a native Texan (born and raised in Dallas). There was a time in Dallas Texas when possession of a single joint could land a person in prison for a period that is pretty much considered to be a life sentence.

That said, I smoke pot anyway. Why? Why would I risk my life for a single joint?

If anybody can answer that with - an answer that isn't related to a personal smear or low shot joke...then I would suggest that answer could be related to why prohibition of drugs, or most anything else, don't work. In fact the right answer could be a clue to all human behaviors that is in direct conflict with the most common of laws.

Disclosure: I haven't used any mind altering chemicals (other than a necessary prescription, and used as directed) for nearing 27 years. Yet, I believe that all drugs known to human kind should be legalized and "regulated". I guess you might say that I'm one of those people that the OP is talking about. I am, and probably always will be, addicted to most things that make me feel good. However, for whatever reason, I made (and still make) a conscious choice to place the value of my life (quality and quantity) over that of booze, drugs and other forms of self-destructive behaviors.

Are all people born constitutionally able to conform to "all laws"? If not, why? If all people are, why?

Now the OP titled this thread: "The Reason Drugs Should Not Be Legalized" And his answer was that he didn't want to live in a country that was filled with people like the one that was illustrated in a video he posted...a stoner of sorts. They may work as a reason for PG, but I think we all know that issues related to chemical abuse and dependence is much more complicated and requires a more sophisticated answer than "I don't want people like that living in this country".

Is there anyway to control another person's behaviors other than incarcerate or kill them? Better yet, is there a way to control the behaviors of over 300 million people regarding any or all specific offenses they have the potential to commit against their fellow persons?

We can instill moral principles. But in my opinion, I don't think it's possible to control an individual or a society in such a way that they would perfectly adhere to those moral principles being taught. I think that there is a vivid history of humankind's recorded behaviors that would verify that.

The word DRUGS is a very abstract word. So if "Drugs should be illegal, according to some, then I do think, and others in this forum has mentioned it, that alcohol be added to the list. Now that might make a major change of heart to many regarding drugs, but alcohol is a mind altering chemical that kills a lot of people here and around the globe, yet many people who scream that drugs should be illegal, turn a blind eye to alcohol.

Prohibitions create nightmares. They are social control devises that don't work.

Thanks...

 

[James D Hill]

I'm a native Texan (born and raised in Dallas). There was a time in Dallas Texas when possession of a single joint could land a person in prison for a period that is pretty much considered to be a life sentence.

That said, I smoke pot anyway. Why? Why would I risk my life for a single joint?

If anybody can answer that with - an answer that isn't related to a personal smear or low shot joke...then I would suggest that answer could be related to why prohibition of drugs, or most anything else, don't work. In fact the right answer could be a clue to all human behaviors that is in direct conflict with the most common of laws.

Disclosure: I haven't used any mind altering chemicals (other than a necessary prescription, and used as directed) for nearing 27 years. Yet, I believe that all drugs known to human kind should be legalized and "regulated". I guess you might say that I'm one of those people that the OP is talking about. I am, and probably always will be, addicted to most things that make me feel good. However, for whatever reason, I made (and still make) a conscious choice to place the value of my life (quality and quantity) over that of booze, drugs and other forms of self-destructive behaviors.

Are all people born constitutionally able to conform to "all laws"? If not, why? If all people are, why?

Now the OP titled this thread: "The Reason Drugs Should Not Be Legalized" And his answer was that he didn't want to live in a country that was filled with people like the one that was illustrated in a video he posted...a stoner of sorts. They may work as a reason for PG, but I think we all know that issues related to chemical abuse and dependence is much more complicated and requires a more sophisticated answer than "I don't want people like that living in this country".

Is there anyway to control another person's behaviors other than incarcerate or kill them? Better yet, is there a way to control the behaviors of over 300 million people regarding any or all specific offenses they have the potential to commit against their fellow persons?

We can instill moral principles. But in my opinion, I don't think it's possible to control an individual or a society in such a way that they would perfectly adhere to those moral principles being taught. I think that there is a vivid history of humankind's recorded behaviors that would verify that.

The word DRUGS is a very abstract word. So if "Drugs should be illegal, according to some, then I do think, and others in this forum has mentioned it, that alcohol be added to the list. Now that might make a major change of heart to many regarding drugs, but alcohol is a mind altering chemical that kills a lot of people here and around the globe, yet many people who scream that drugs should be illegal, turn a blind eye to alcohol.

Prohibitions create nightmares. They are social control devises that don't work.

Thanks...

In the 1700's in the Ottaman empire they had the death penalty for tobacco. Did it work? No. No matter how harsh the penalty people are going to seek pleasure because it is human nature. Oklahoma also had draconian anto marijuana laws and those children of conservative evangelical parents smoked pot. They were not as bold about it as we were on the west coast but they still smoked. Drug laws are a wast of money,freedom and our time. Conservatives do not seem to have a problem with booze. Most of the hard booze made in the good old USA is made in red states so our conservative friends are hypocrites when it come to intoxicants and other social issues.

 

[Removable Mind]

In the 1700's in the Ottaman empire they had the death penalty for tobacco. Did it work? No. No matter how harsh the penalty people are going to seek pleasure because it is human nature. Oklahoma also had draconian anto marijuana laws and those children of conservative evangelical parents smoked pot. They were not as bold about it as we were on the west coast but they still smoked. Drug laws are a wast of money,freedom and our time. Conservatives do not seem to have a problem with booze. Most of the hard booze made in the good old USA is made in red states so our conservative friends are hypocrites when it come to intoxicants and other social issues.

Whether a person is tall, short, whatever color skin, political persuasion, religion...yadda, yadda, yadda. People, for the most part, are at least willing to try things that have become socially known to make one feel good, sometimes different, mind enhancing, mental vacations, stress relievers, etc, etc.

You know that there would most likely be a huge number of people's jobs affected. That alone would keep politicians from DOING THE RIGHT THING. There's a hell of a lot of political money tied to drugs being illegal. There's mega billion dollar prison industries involved. No telling how many government employed would be laid off if the "War on Drugs" suddenly ended. And I wonder how much money the US is spending in foreign countries on drug related causes?

I agree 100%. It is human nature.

I also believe that humanity as a whole would stand a much better chance of understanding the true science associated with dependence and/or addiction if there weren't so many restraints. We need science involved in a much more proactive way regarding the dynamics of addiction.

I'm still not sure that a lot of people wouldn't continue to hide behind their hypocrisies. But I think a lot of hypocrites would come out of the closet, so-to-speak.

Since the vast majority of people aren't prone to be drug dependents or alcohol dependent...we aren't going to see a collapse of the country. It's just not going to happen.

Thanks for your comments...

 

[James D Hill]

Whether a person is tall, short, whatever color skin, political persuasion, religion...yadda, yadda, yadda. People, for the most part, are at least willing to try things that have become socially known to make one feel good, sometimes different, mind enhancing, mental vacations, stress relievers, etc, etc.

You know that there would most likely be a huge number of people's jobs affected. That alone would keep politicians from DOING THE RIGHT THING. There's a hell of a lot of political money tied to drugs being illegal. There's mega billion dollar prison industries involved. No telling how many government employed would be laid off if the "War on Drugs" suddenly ended. And I wonder how much money the US is spending in foreign countries on drug related causes?

I agree 100%. It is human nature.

I also believe that humanity as a whole would stand a much better chance of understanding the true science associated with dependence and/or addiction if there weren't so many restraints. We need science involved in a much more proactive way regarding the dynamics of addiction.

I'm still not sure that a lot of people wouldn't continue to hide behind their hypocrisies. But I think a lot of hypocrites would come out of the closet, so-to-speak.

Since the vast majority of people aren't prone to be drug dependents or alcohol dependent...we aren't going to see a collapse of the country. It's just not going to happen.

Thanks for your comments...

It would be a better world if people did not use drugs,gamble or have wild and crazy sex but we have to be pragmatic and realize that will never happen. The next best thing to do is legalize all vice that does not hurt others and keep our nose out of other peoples personal lives. If we where pragmatic we could make billions of dollars if we sold and taxed these things and took the criminal element out of the equation. It is only common sense.

 

[Gardener]

It would be a better world if people did not use drugs,gamble or have wild and crazy sex but we have to be pragmatic and realize that will never happen. The next best thing to do is legalize all vice that does not hurt others and keep our nose out of other peoples personal lives. If we where pragmatic we could make billions of dollars if we sold and taxed these things and took the criminal element out of the equation. It is only common sense.

Are you intimating that there is some sort of sex besides wild and crazy?

I had not considered such a possibility.

 

[James D Hill]

Are you intimating that there is some sort of sex besides wild and crazy?

I had not considered such a possibility.

Good point.

 

[AreteCourage]

Prohibition is a massive failure.

What I don't understand is how conservatives can be for prohibition. It wastes billions of dollars annually and funds those dealers and cartels. Want to sever their money supply? Legalize, regulate, and tax drugs. You will see a massive decrease in crime.

Release all non-violent drug users from prison. Start treating addiction as a medical issue rather than a criminal issue.

We simply don't have the money to sustain these asinine laws. Dictating what a person puts in their own body is a recipe for failure every single time. Instead of wasting money; we could be MAKING money.

I am a big time fiscal conservative, and believe we should save money and cut anywhere possible. The War on Drugs is one of the easiest things to rid ourselves of along with abolishing the Department of Homeland Security.

 

[James D Hill]

Prohibition is a massive failure.

What I don't understand is how conservatives can be for prohibition. It wastes billions of dollars annually and funds those dealers and cartels. Want to sever their money supply? Legalize, regulate, and tax drugs. You will see a massive decrease in crime.

Release all non-violent drug users from prison. Start treating addiction as a medical issue rather than a criminal issue.

We simply don't have the money to sustain these asinine laws. Dictating what a person puts in their own body is a recipe for failure every single time. Instead of wasting money; we could be MAKING money.

I am a big time fiscal conservative, and believe we should save money and cut anywhere possible. The War on Drugs is one of the easiest things to rid ourselves of along with abolishing the Department of Homeland Security.

I don't understand how social conservatives hate weed so much while many of those red states make borbon whiskey and beer not to mention drink it big time. I say pot is way safer than booze. Whiskey helped me learn to love southern rock though and made pretty girls loose.

 

[bbman]

That's only one person, its on him for how he handled the drugs, not the drugs themselves. Just because he acts in a manner that is not approved of does not mean the drugs should remain illegal.