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The real reason the anti gun crowd has a problem with armed self defense with a gun!

The British Parliament do not walk around in down town London they travel by Limo. Every building and street has cameras on them but yet Knifing are the highest and always have been.

Meanwhile in the Spring of 19 a pickup about 100 yard behind me was struck by a car while the car driver was texting, it rolled like crazy, the lil black car struck it again and it started flipping end for end, it was going to land on top of me so I headed for the ditch and the lil black car blew past in the middle of the ditch, the Pickup ended up across 3 lanes of the interstate on its top, mirrors and stuff all over the Interstate while a lil Maroon Soccer van felt it way around all the Carnage. The family in the Pickup were killed. I ended alongside the car ahead of me half on the blacktop and 1/2 in the grass. The lil Black car was texting. Ask the Relatives what they think about texting ? It all happened with a traffic slow down, another lil car had hit a barricade and the front coil springs were rolling down the highway. Ask the Relatives about texting, that driver also caused that accident. Texting and Autos are the biggest risk today.
 
P_T said:
The British Parliament do not walk around in down town London they travel by Limo.
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British MPs do indeed walk on city streets (and subway) and apart from senior members of the government, they have no official car or police escort.
 
↑↑ never gonna happen. What a load of Crap ! Never seen a film of the British parliament walking around in London, Doesn't happen.

British parliment in Autos ! 1647905523113.pngYou can easily see the man standing is armed, the coat shows the Firearm pushing it out. Of course the Auto is very protective and expensive ! The door, the window frame is huge thick !
 
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www.globalmapaid.org

London Knife Crime - MapAid

Over 4500 young persons aged between 10-17 years old were sentence (2019) in England and Wales. At MapAid we make maps that help to reduce crime and youth unemployment. Did you know that it cost the same to send a person to jail as it does to send them to Eton?
www.globalmapaid.org www.globalmapaid.org
 
Young people are dangerous there !
 
brianpatrick said:
“If you fear someone with a gun, why would you antagonize them?”

Exactly to my point again. Why would anyone want to live lives of mutually assured destruction, where everyone is armed, and you better not step out of line, either intentionally or by accident, because you might get shot? That’s not a recipe for a peaceful society.
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Yet if you remove the democrats run shithole cities from the stats the U.S. is incredibly safe. In fact we are as safe or safer than other civilized cultures and we have hundreds of millions of guns while they have only a few.

So that recipe of yours for a violent society is garbage.
 
P_T said:
www.globalmapaid.org

London Knife Crime - MapAid

Over 4500 young persons aged between 10-17 years old were sentence (2019) in England and Wales. At MapAid we make maps that help to reduce crime and youth unemployment. Did you know that it cost the same to send a person to jail as it does to send them to Eton?
www.globalmapaid.org www.globalmapaid.org
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"US President Trump has repeatedly attacked London Mayor Khan over knife crime in the British capital...Trump has made his remarks about knife crime while defending America’s gun laws despite mass shootings.
“That’s right, they don’t have guns, they have knives…Knives, knives, knives”
But while official statistics show a clear increase in knife crime in London, they also confirm that the murder rate is well below most US cities....London’s knife murder rate is lower than in Trump’s hometown city, New York.
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There were 17,284 homicides in the US in 2017, giving a rate of 5.3 per 100,000. In Britain, there were 785 in 2017/18 — giving a rate of 1.8 per 100,000, some three times lower.
Within this, there were 285 knife murders in England and Wales in 2017/18, and 34 in Scotland, giving a combined British rate of 0.48 per 100,000. In the US, the number for 2017 was 1,591, giving an almost identical rate of 0.49. So even amid a spike in British knife crime, Americans as a whole are at least as likely as to die from a stabbing."

www.euronews.com

Deadly knife crime: How does London compare to New York?

Deadly knife crime: How does London compare to New York?
www.euronews.com www.euronews.com
 
Daddyo said:
Yet if you remove the democrats run shithole cities from the stats the U.S. is incredibly safe. In fact we are as safe or safer than other civilized cultures and we have hundreds of millions of guns while they have only a few.

So that recipe of yours for a violent society is garbage.
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And if all the other civilized cultures removed the crime statistics in their cities those foreign countries would still show fewer violent crimes than the US minus city statistics.
 
weaver2 said:
And if all the other civilized cultures removed the crime statistics in their cities those foreign countries would still show fewer violent crimes than the US minus city statistics.
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LOL, that's called cherry picking :)
 
brianpatrick said:
Yes, unnecessary reasonable precaution is fear, that could be virtually eliminated if we were a mostly gun free society.

You can’t simultaneously plan for peace and prepare for war.
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Virtually eliminate fear simply by eliminating guns? Do you know how stupid that sounds?

So if there were no guns in society the criminals would disappear? Those who used guns before the elimination of guns would turn good or transition to another method? Those who used other methods would flourish or find it tougher knowing all future victims were unarmed? Would law abiding citizens about to be made victims have an easier or tougher task in preventing death of grave bodily injury?

Question....how can the United States have tremendous numbers of guns yet subtract the gun violence stats from a small amount of democrat run areas and we are as good or safer than other civilized societies?

And minus all guns I would have the best knife and knife training to protect me and mine from all the bad guys that would now feel even more free to prey on good people.
 
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brianpatrick said:
The truckers were free to Protest peacefully. Still are. What they are not free to do is block traffic for extended periods of time. That infringes on the rights and freedoms of others. The American trucker convoy is still protesting, and that has nothing to do with the fact that theyre armed.
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brianpatrick said:
I have to trust that everyone one of you “good” gun owners isn’t going to become a bad one tomorrow. That has nothing to do with me “stepping out of line.”

A bunch of you “good” gun owners crack up, or make mistakes (letting your kid have access) everyday.
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A bunch of you "good" guys with NO guns crack up or make mistakes that hurt or kill innocents everyday. No gun to blame or ban so maybe we blame or ban you.
 
brianpatrick said:
Not without consequences to a broader society. It’s like the Covid divide. Why can’t we be free to decide for ourselves if we wear a mask etc? Because it’s an invisible contagious virus. Same with guns.
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The cdc told us that masks don't work in 2020 yet we were forced to wear them anyway.....why?

I sourced and posted a study in a covid thread from the cdc in 2020 admitting that a properly sealed n95 mask only stopped 20 to 30 percent of virus that we exhaled with each breath. Each exhale still containing many times more virus than the amount necessary to infect someone else.

Then came the comparison examples such as masked schools vs unmasked schools with virtually no difference in infection rates.

Yet fearful fools forced them on us anyway. Kinda like how some of you fearful antigunners force your beliefs on us.
 
brianpatrick said:
Call it what you want. The framers wrote it, and the court interpreted what they wrote, back then, in 2008. So NOW we say “it’s always been”, and legally that’s true, but in reality not. Up until 2008 there was a different legal opinion.
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Do you require the court to tell you what the framers intent was when they wrote it? We have the constitutional convention writings which our founders told us there reasoning behind the amendment. Why, beside the obvious they are SCOTUS, do I need someone to tell me that it's an individual right when the founders repeatedly said the people should always be allowed gun?

While there may be other decisions that require someone knowledgeable in law......this is not one of them. A no brainer. Like when exoding bicep man admitted to pointing his Glock at Rittenhouse's head.......don't need a judge to tell me whether or not he pointed his gun at Kyle's head.
 
Yep and 42,000 + were murdered in Auto accidents. Not even a valid comparison to Auto Killings not including the maimed, incapacitated or wheel chair for life victims ! Most likely 1/2 million victims of Auto Crimes in just the USA each year !

And the mask stopped cough and sneezes from blowing out across the room mostly. Again Distance spacing in social areas were and still are a wise choice as this virus mutates to its next Common cold Variety ! This was all about the aged and the physically impaired not you, you selfish inconsiderate A.H. !
 
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Daddyo said:
A bunch of you "good" guys with NO guns crack up or make mistakes that hurt or kill innocents everyday. No gun to blame or ban so maybe we blame or ban you.
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Less efficient and slower with US good guys
 
Daddyo said:
Do you require the court to tell you what the framers intent was when they wrote it? We have the constitutional convention writings which our founders told us there reasoning behind the amendment. Why, beside the obvious they are SCOTUS, do I need someone to tell me that it's an individual right when the founders repeatedly said the people should always be allowed gun?

While there may be other decisions that require someone knowledgeable in law......this is not one of them. A no brainer. Like when exoding bicep man admitted to pointing his Glock at Rittenhouse's head.......don't need a judge to tell me whether or not he pointed his gun at Kyle's head.
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Kyle should not have been there with a rifle in the first place. He was a dumb kid, exercising his 2A rights.
 
brianpatrick said:
Kyle should not have been there with a rifle in the first place. He was a dumb kid, exercising his 2A rights.
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If those dumb woke assholes had not been there rioting, there would have been no need for whack a woke whanker types to have been there
 
Daddyo, you are 100% more likely are to crack up with Road rage tomorrow and harm someone than a CCW is !
 
brianpatrick said:
Thats the whole point isn’t it? I think it’s obviously been misinterpreted from the original, and you don’t. The Supreme Court agrees with you right now. Tomorrow it could be different.

Doesn’t have to be a reinterpretation of the constitution, but other laws too. There’s a legal scheme Texas cooked up to detour abortion where your neighbors can sue you and get up to $10,000 if they win (probably don’t have the details right, but you know which law.) schemes like that come up all the time. If the gunners won’t compromise on access and safety, people will keep looking for ways.
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The founders said the people should always have guns. Separate from the amendment itself that is. We lose our right because 5 people like you aren't smart enough to understand what " the PEOPLE should never be debarred the use of guns" means?

It's obvious you have a bias against guns or a compete lack of knowledge about our founding. Those are the only two possibilities because there is so much proof that our founders wanted the people to be armed. From direct open words saying such to the indirect ones talking about being helpless subjects under kings rule. They spoke about their fears for the people about a tyrannical government. The only non bias logical conclusion that can be made, if you have honestly educated yourself on the issue, is that the second amendment was in fact an individual right with a desire on the part of our founders to guarantee we be able to maintain a militia.

Not sure if you have been misguided to your current position by the anti gunners propaganda and your ignorance of the actual subject matter doesn't return you to the correct opinion or if you know the history, the founders true and spoken intent, and are ignoring it to aid in the spread of that propaganda.

So which is it?
 
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