The real reason the anti gun crowd has a problem with armed self defense with a gun!

[Daddyo]

As I debate with the anti gun folks something continues to surface that I simply can't figure out.

Why do they have a problem with us carrying a firearm for the defense of ourselves and family?

As concealed carriers they can't be upset by the sight of the gun.....it's hidden.

Surly they can't have a problem with the reason for carrying.....to save self and family from an armed killer.

We know that they are aware of the fact that the vast majority of gun crime is being committed by recidivists and drug and gang players which are essentially a minority of gun owners in general.

So why? Why have an issue with law abiding gun owners in general and those who carry a firearm daily for self defense specifically?

I believe I have the answer. As you know the anti gunners are almost always liberals. Liberals almost always run from responsibility and rarely focus on personal responsibility always blaming something for their failures. Some of their positions include "it was poverty" "it was a failed education" "society made them do it" or the current one "it's because they are black". The lack of personal responsibility. So then it hits me......bingo!

Since the anti gun liberal is to afraid or otherwise unwilling to protect themselves they are jealous of those of us who do. Simple envy is behind their fervent disagreement with our concealed carry for self defense and likely in our private ownership of guns aswell. They are jealous!

 

[XDU]

That's a large part of it.

Another large part of it is liberals are worried about getting shot when it's well deserved.

The second amendment wasn't established for self-defense. It was established to literally kill politicians and bureaucrats when they indulged in abuse of process by playing word games such that using your words was no longer a viable endeavor.

In other words, the liberal obsession with dialectic reasoning that puts parts before the whole and possibilities before necessities in a psychopathic manner would result in a death sentence for them.

 

[bongsaway]

As I debate with the anti gun folks something continues to surface that I simply can't figure out.

Why do they have a problem with us carrying a firearm for the defense of ourselves and family?

As concealed carriers they can't be upset by the sight of the gun.....it's hidden.

Surly they can't have a problem with the reason for carrying.....to save self and family from an armed killer.

We know that they are aware of the fact that the vast majority of gun crime is being committed by recidivists and drug and gang players which are essentially a minority of gun owners in general.

So why? Why have an issue with law abiding gun owners in general and those who carry a firearm daily for self defense specifically?

I believe I have the answer. As you know the anti gunners are almost always liberals. Liberals almost always run from responsibility and rarely focus on personal responsibility always blaming something for their failures. Some of their positions include "it was poverty" "it was a failed education" "society made them do it" or the current one "it's because they are black". The lack of personal responsibility. So then it hits me......bingo!

Since the anti gun liberal is to afraid or otherwise unwilling to protect themselves they are jealous of those of us who do. Simple envy is behind their fervent disagreement with our concealed carry for self defense and likely in our private ownership of guns aswell. They are jealous!

The arbery trial is one of those reasons people worry about other folks with guns.

 

[rickc]

I am a liberal. I have a CCP and use it. I also participate in the shooting sports. own all types of firearms. I believe there are many people like me in America.

My thoughts on the anti gun crowd is they are city people who have never been introduced to guns. They just see the crime statistics on the news and associate that with guns when they should be associating that with criminals. With over 400 million guns in America statistically not a very large percentage are used in crimes. The criminals are where their focus should be but for some reason they think removing guns will eliminate the crime.

 

[TheParser]

Liberals almost always run from responsibility and rarely focus on personal responsibility always blaming something for their failures. Some of their positions include "it was poverty" "it was a failed education" "society made them do it" or the current one "it's because they are black".

You hit the nail on the head.

An Asian man in New York City has just died several months after having been stomped in the head many times.

If he had had a gun, maybe he would be alive today and the young perp might be in a condition where he could never, ever hurt anyone again.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

As I debate with the anti gun folks something continues to surface that I simply can't figure out.

Why do they have a problem with us carrying a firearm for the defense of ourselves and family?

As concealed carriers they can't be upset by the sight of the gun.....it's hidden.

Surly they can't have a problem with the reason for carrying.....to save self and family from an armed killer.

We know that they are aware of the fact that the vast majority of gun crime is being committed by recidivists and drug and gang players which are essentially a minority of gun owners in general.

So why? Why have an issue with law abiding gun owners in general and those who carry a firearm daily for self defense specifically?

I believe I have the answer. As you know the anti gunners are almost always liberals. Liberals almost always run from responsibility and rarely focus on personal responsibility always blaming something for their failures. Some of their positions include "it was poverty" "it was a failed education" "society made them do it" or the current one "it's because they are black". The lack of personal responsibility. So then it hits me......bingo!

Since the anti gun liberal is to afraid or otherwise unwilling to protect themselves they are jealous of those of us who do. Simple envy is behind their fervent disagreement with our concealed carry for self defense and likely in our private ownership of guns aswell. They are jealous!

The librulls just hate our FrEeDuMbZ$™ and want to have socialisms in the USA....herp dee derp dee DERP...yuck yuck yuck...."


https://www.nydailynews.com/news/na...0210614-nbkeri6bxndz3hcxzc2eqpo5zq-story.html

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

I am a liberal. I have a CCP and use it. I also participate in the shooting sports. own all types of firearms. I believe there are many people like me in America.

My thoughts on the anti gun crowd is they are city people who have never been introduced to guns. They just see the crime statistics on the news and associate that with guns when they should be associating that with criminals. With over 400 million guns in America statistically not a very large percentage are used in crimes. The criminals are where their focus should be but for some reason they think removing guns will eliminate the crime.

Well, your blanket assumptions about the "anti gun crowd" are all 100% wrong.

Now wut bruh?

 

[rickc]

I am a liberal. I have a CCP and use it. I also participate in the shooting sports. own all types of firearms. I believe there are many people like me in America.

My thoughts on the anti gun crowd is they are city people who have never been introduced to guns. They just see the crime statistics on the news and associate that with guns when they should be associating that with criminals. With over 400 million guns in America statistically not a very large percentage are used in crimes. The criminals are where their focus should be but for some reason they think removing guns will eliminate the crime.

Well, your blanket assumptions about the "anti gun crowd" are all 100% wrong.

Now wut bruh?

Opinions vary

Yours is noted

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

Opinions vary

Yours is noted

Opinions vary.
Yours is incorrect, as I pointed out.

Thank you for providing us with your incorrect opinions.

 

[XDU]

I am a liberal. I have a CCP and use it. I also participate in the shooting sports. own all types of firearms. I believe there are many people like me in America.

My thoughts on the anti gun crowd is they are city people who have never been introduced to guns. They just see the crime statistics on the news and associate that with guns when they should be associating that with criminals. With over 400 million guns in America statistically not a very large percentage are used in crimes. The criminals are where their focus should be but for some reason they think removing guns will eliminate the crime.

City people have plenty of gangs who have guns and run amok.

The anti-gun crowd is just opportunistic. It wants to provoke people into naivete while enabling abuse.

 

[XDU]

The librulls just hate our FrEeDuMbZ$™ and want to have socialisms in the USA....herp dee derp dee DERP...yuck yuck yuck...."


https://www.nydailynews.com/news/na...0210614-nbkeri6bxndz3hcxzc2eqpo5zq-story.html

Seems like he was right from how hateful that remark is.

 

[TurtleDude]

As I debate with the anti gun folks something continues to surface that I simply can't figure out.

Why do they have a problem with us carrying a firearm for the defense of ourselves and family?

As concealed carriers they can't be upset by the sight of the gun.....it's hidden.

Surly they can't have a problem with the reason for carrying.....to save self and family from an armed killer.

We know that they are aware of the fact that the vast majority of gun crime is being committed by recidivists and drug and gang players which are essentially a minority of gun owners in general.

So why? Why have an issue with law abiding gun owners in general and those who carry a firearm daily for self defense specifically?

I believe I have the answer. As you know the anti gunners are almost always liberals. Liberals almost always run from responsibility and rarely focus on personal responsibility always blaming something for their failures. Some of their positions include "it was poverty" "it was a failed education" "society made them do it" or the current one "it's because they are black". The lack of personal responsibility. So then it hits me......bingo!

Since the anti gun liberal is to afraid or otherwise unwilling to protect themselves they are jealous of those of us who do. Simple envy is behind their fervent disagreement with our concealed carry for self defense and likely in our private ownership of guns aswell. They are jealous!

I have made that argument before-as part of a larger argument. The leftwing mentality often desires to outsource personal responsibility-and the consequences of exercising it-to the government. That is another reason they want to strip themselves-and everyone else -of the duty of self defense.

 

[Rucker61]

I have made that argument before-as part of a larger argument. The leftwing mentality often desires to outsource personal responsibility-and the consequences of exercising it-to the government. That is another reason they want to strip themselves-and everyone else -of the duty of self defense.

This position of delegating protection to the government requires a complete ignorance of Warren v DC and Castle Rock v Gonzales.

 

[rickc]

Law enforcement can't protect you. They just come along afterwards to clean up the mess

 

[phoenix2020]

As I debate with the anti gun folks something continues to surface that I simply can't figure out.

Why do they have a problem with us carrying a firearm for the defense of ourselves and family?

As concealed carriers they can't be upset by the sight of the gun.....it's hidden.

Surly they can't have a problem with the reason for carrying.....to save self and family from an armed killer.

We know that they are aware of the fact that the vast majority of gun crime is being committed by recidivists and drug and gang players which are essentially a minority of gun owners in general.

So why? Why have an issue with law abiding gun owners in general and those who carry a firearm daily for self defense specifically?

I believe I have the answer. As you know the anti gunners are almost always liberals. Liberals almost always run from responsibility and rarely focus on personal responsibility always blaming something for their failures. Some of their positions include "it was poverty" "it was a failed education" "society made them do it" or the current one "it's because they are black". The lack of personal responsibility. So then it hits me......bingo!

Since the anti gun liberal is to afraid or otherwise unwilling to protect themselves they are jealous of those of us who do. Simple envy is behind their fervent disagreement with our concealed carry for self defense and likely in our private ownership of guns aswell. They are jealous!

1. I wish you would stop conflating "anti-gun crowd" with liberals. There are too many "liberals" who own and love guns these days. Yours is an extremely narrow way of looking at the world... open your eyes more.

2. It's OK for different people to have different reasons.

2a. I suspect for many it's just fear of something unfamiliar. Most of the people who oppose higher speed limits tend not to drive fast. Most of the people who oppose contraceptives tend not to have much sex. I myself was relatively "anti-gun" until I went to shooting ranges a bunch of times. I still don't want to own one, but by operating one on several occasions, it stopped being this phantom menace to me, and became instead yet another tool in my world that could be used to injure or kill, alongside the knife, nail gun, car, crossbow, and a dozen assorted household chemicals.

2b. I suspect for many others, it's the logic that we have some of the worst gun violence of any developed nation, and we also have the easiest access to guns, so therefore the two issues are linked. I don't think it's so simple - I think there are cultural factors at play that run deeper than the presence/absence of a gun - but at the same time it is true that if someone who wants to do harm and with a gun, there is probably no developed country that makes it easier for him or her to go get one. So, there are a group of people who fixate on that logic for supporting their anti-gun stance.

2c. Another group tends to approach this from a "only law enforcement should have arms" perspective but this flies in the face of the 2nd amendment, and many of these same people then turn around and tend to want to de-power law enforcement to better match other nations. This is the model practiced in numerous European countries but I don't think it works for the United States - these folks either need to get used to the 2nd amendment, or they need to move.

My 2 cents, as it were...

 

[Rich2018]

Since the anti gun liberal is to afraid or otherwise unwilling to protect themselves they are jealous of those of us who do. Simple envy is behind their fervent disagreement with our concealed carry for self defense and likely in our private ownership of guns aswell. They are jealous!

Why would a liberal be afraid or unwilling to protect themselves ?
As straw-men go, this is as pathetic as the one that goes something like: Liberals want gun control so they can install a socialist dictatorship with the Green New Deal.

 

[Daddyo]

That's a large part of it.

Another large part of it is liberals are worried about getting shot when it's well deserved.

The second amendment wasn't established for self-defense. It was established to literally kill politicians and bureaucrats when they indulged in abuse of process by playing word games such that using your words was no longer a viable endeavor.

In other words, the liberal obsession with dialectic reasoning that puts parts before the whole and possibilities before necessities in a psychopathic manner would result in a death sentence for them.

It was definitely put in for the reason you listed above but our founders themselves said it was for self defense aswell. They talked about it often.

 

[Daddyo]

I am a liberal. I have a CCP and use it. I also participate in the shooting sports. own all types of firearms. I believe there are many people like me in America.

My thoughts on the anti gun crowd is they are city people who have never been introduced to guns. They just see the crime statistics on the news and associate that with guns when they should be associating that with criminals. With over 400 million guns in America statistically not a very large percentage are used in crimes. The criminals are where their focus should be but for some reason they think removing guns will eliminate the crime.

Wish you could educate your comrades. Your above gun position sounds awful conservative........I liked it.

Sadly I believe you are a rare exception. Same as a conservative anti gunner.

 

[Daddyo]

Opinions vary.
Yours is incorrect, as I pointed out.

Thank you for providing us with your incorrect opinions.

I'm sure you have some evidence proving liberals are not anti gun right? Based on what politicians are being elected by liberals and their gun platforms it would seem he is correct and that most liberals are anti gun.

 

[Daddyo]

1. I wish you would stop conflating "anti-gun crowd" with liberals. There are too many "liberals" who own and love guns these days. Yours is an extremely narrow way of looking at the world... open your eyes more.

2. It's OK for different people to have different reasons.

2a. I suspect for many it's just fear of something unfamiliar. Most of the people who oppose higher speed limits tend not to drive fast. Most of the people who oppose contraceptives tend not to have much sex. I myself was relatively "anti-gun" until I went to shooting ranges a bunch of times. I still don't want to own one, but by operating one on several occasions, it stopped being this phantom menace to me, and became instead yet another tool in my world that could be used to injure or kill, alongside the knife, nail gun, car, crossbow, and a dozen assorted household chemicals.

2b. I suspect for many others, it's the logic that we have some of the worst gun violence of any developed nation, and we also have the easiest access to guns, so therefore the two issues are linked. I don't think it's so simple - I think there are cultural factors at play that run deeper than the presence/absence of a gun - but at the same time it is true that if someone who wants to do harm and with a gun, there is probably no developed country that makes it easier for him or her to go get one. So, there are a group of people who fixate on that logic for supporting their anti-gun stance.

2c. Another group tends to approach this from a "only law enforcement should have arms" perspective but this flies in the face of the 2nd amendment, and many of these same people then turn around and tend to want to de-power law enforcement to better match other nations. This is the model practiced in numerous European countries but I don't think it works for the United States - these folks either need to get used to the 2nd amendment, or they need to move.

My 2 cents, as it were...

If you take liberals and conservatives and ask about their position on gun rights, which group in your honest opinion would have the vast majority of anti gun people?

I know it's not all for either side but most liberals are anti gun. Which is why MOST liberal politicians are anti gun and why I made that statement.

 

[KingLeo]

Here is one reason.
In a 2008 study of New York City trained policemen it was found the 'hit' rate of officers engaged in a fire fight was less than 30%. That means 7 out of every 10 shots fired end up where?
You are talking about thousands of untrained civilians carrying and using firearms in situations in which they are neither physically nor mentally trained to handle.
Without stricter regulations and requirements for gun owners should that be a concern?
Absolutely.
I am not 'anti-gun' as I own several myself but should I trust what YOU think your proficiency with a firearm is?
No.

 

[Rucker61]

Here is one reason.
In a 2008 study of New York City trained policemen it was found the 'hit' rate of officers engaged in a fire fight was less than 30%. That means 7 out of every 10 shots fired end up where?
You are talking about thousands of untrained civilians carrying and using firearms in situations in which they are neither physically nor mentally trained to handle.
Without stricter regulations and requirements for gun owners should that be a concern?
Absolutely.
I am not 'anti-gun' as I own several myself but should I trust what YOU think your proficiency with a firearm is?
No.

What is the data on civilians missing their target?

Why do you think that cops are better shots?

 

[Rich2018]

Wish you could educate your comrades. Your above gun position sounds awful conservative........I liked it.

Sadly I believe you are a rare exception. Same as a conservative anti gunner.

I wish you could educate yourself.

Why are conservatives so closed minded, so indifferent to people's needs and so desiring to live in the past ?

 

[pinqy]

As I debate with the anti gun folks something continues to surface that I simply can't figure out.

Why do they have a problem with us carrying a firearm for the defense of ourselves and family?

As concealed carriers they can't be upset by the sight of the gun.....it's hidden.

Surly they can't have a problem with the reason for carrying.....to save self and family from an armed killer.

We know that they are aware of the fact that the vast majority of gun crime is being committed by recidivists and drug and gang players which are essentially a minority of gun owners in general.

So why? Why have an issue with law abiding gun owners in general and those who carry a firearm daily for self defense specifically?

I believe I have the answer. As you know the anti gunners are almost always liberals. Liberals almost always run from responsibility and rarely focus on personal responsibility always blaming something for their failures. Some of their positions include "it was poverty" "it was a failed education" "society made them do it" or the current one "it's because they are black". The lack of personal responsibility. So then it hits me......bingo!

Since the anti gun liberal is to afraid or otherwise unwilling to protect themselves they are jealous of those of us who do. Simple envy is behind their fervent disagreement with our concealed carry for self defense and likely in our private ownership of guns aswell. They are jealous!

It is my observation that whenever someone says “the real reason <group not my own> doe X…” the proposed reason is a biased explanation based solely on the viewpoint of the speaker’s affiliation that ignores the reasons the opposing group actually gives: implying that those reasons are lies. I find this to be true regardless of the individual’s politics/beliefs/ culture/ethnicity/sex/gender etc

My understanding (which obviously I think is correct, but may not be) is that those opposed to public carry of firearms believe that carrying a gun implies in all cases a desire to use it, so that merely carrying a gun makes a shooting inevitable. Additionally, there is no real way to distinguish between offensive and defensive carry: you can’t prevent people carrying with the intent to start violence without also preventing those carrrying solely for defense (and some anti-gun people don’t seem to believe anyone carries solely for defense but only with intent to harm).

There is some truth to this, as certainly there have been cases where armed people have unnecessarily escalated a situation to a shooting. And there really are some (thankfully few) people who do carry in the hope of getting to play hero.

Mostly I think the anti-gun people simply fail to understand why anyone would want to carry and believe it necessarily increases the chance of violence.

That’s how I see the anti-carry positions. I strongly disagree with them: I do NOT think that carrying a weapon necessarily means the person will or wants to ever use it.

 

[Rich2018]

The arbery trial is one of those reasons people worry about other folks with guns.

Absolutely, that could have been me jogging through a neighborhood in Georgia.