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The Real Reason Detroit Went Bankrupt: Conservative Michigan Misrule[W:259]

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Re: The Real Reason Detroit Went Bankrupt: Conservative Michigan Misrule

Is the author of the study a member of a public employee union? I believe he is, and as such his comments and opinions are suspect. Don't let anything possibly question what you pray is true though huh!
I did not know you gave up your right to free speech or the ability to tell the truth when you joined a union.

And you still have not provided any evidence for your claims.
 

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I never said he didn't have a right to say it; where did I say that or suggest as much? All I said is I refute it because he has and always has had an agenda to promote. Dispute that? The man is a public employee, works for a public entity, and I am safe in assuming he has a definitive point of view - you have not refuted that. I an impeaching his study based on his employement, based on his liberal ideological history, and I have proven both of those points - you kneal at his alter because he says what you want to hear - you can't even bother to challenge what you believe is true - I assume out of personal interest but I don't really care until you get this failed regime in washington DC to pony up what little I pay them to bail these socialist failures.

I did not know you gave up your right to free speech or the ability to tell the truth when you joined a union.

And you still have not provided any evidence for your claims.
 

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I never said he didn't have a right to say it; where did I say that or suggest as much? All I said is I refute it because he has and always has had an agenda to promote. Dispute that? The man is a public employee, works for a public entity, and I am safe in assuming he has a definitive point of view - you have not refuted that. I an impeaching his study based on his employement, based on his liberal ideological history, and I have proven both of those points - you kneal at his alter because he says what you want to hear - you can't even bother to challenge what you believe is true - I assume out of personal interest but I don't really care until you get this failed regime in washington DC to pony up what little I pay them to bail these socialist failures.
that is just BS. If you do not like what he says DO NOT ATTACK HIM BECAUSE HE IS A UNION MEMBER OR SUPPORTER. That is simply right wing bigotry.

Attack his ideas. Point out his errors. But you did not do that and you continue to fail to do that.

what factual mistakes did he make?
 
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Reynolds Farley, Professor emeritus of sociology and population studies at the University of Michigan, debunks the rightwing noise machine meme that Detroit went bankrupt because of unions and liberal mayors, showing that Michigan's homerule structure basically isolated Detroit and strangled it with various policies intended to punish minorities and the poor.

It's refreshing to hear an educated voice make fools of the rightwing propagandists and their meme.

Detroit's Uneasy Relations With Michigan | KUOW News and Information
So, the clowns running Detroit had nothing to do with Detroit going into the crapper?
 

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Why would I want to waste time in my life reading the BS of a union member socialist blaming anyone but himself and his ilk for the failures of his beloved govt?

It is not right wing bigotry it is reality. The left has for years assumed "oil companies" can't produce data on the environment its biased, and so I'm just learning from the radical extremist on the left. In this case you simply can't trust union member thugs and socialist in producing any reasoned facts on the story - period.


that is just BS. If you do not like what he says DO NOT ATTACK HIM BECAUSE HE IS A UNION MEMBER OR SUPPORTER. That is simply right wing bigotry.

Attack his ideas. Point out his errors. But you did not do that and you continue to fail to do that.

what factual mistakes did he make?
 

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So, the clowns running Detroit had nothing to do with Detroit going into the crapper?
If you know the answer to your question please post the verifiable evidence.
 

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Why would I want to waste time in my life reading the BS of a union member
Well one really good reason is because this is a debate site and it is suppose to be about the evidence behind your argument and not mere character assassination of your perceived enemies.
 

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If you know the answer to your question please post the verifiable evidence.
The guys running the show are the ones to blame. In this case, the Detroit city government.
 

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The guys running the show are the ones to blame. In this case, the Detroit city government.
By all means - do present your verifiable evidence of your allegation.
 

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By all means - do present your verifiable evidence of your allegation.
The fact that they were in charge is all the evidence I need.
 

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The fact that they were in charge is all the evidence I need.
I suspect that is ten times as much as you needed to form an opinion but thank you for confirming that no evidence at all did it for you.
 

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The Real Reason Detroit Went Bankrupt: Conservative Michigan Misrule

Gee thats really ironic since in WW2 it helped to save America's ass.
Bwaahaahaa!

We ain't in WWII any more, are we!

Failure again!
 

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Bwaahaahaa!

We ain't in WWII any more, are we!

Failure again!
Funny how you on the far right are willing to forget about ones good deeds and the service Detroit did for the nation in our recent history as long as you can attempt to skewer your political enemies. it is perfect evidence of the utter pettiness of the far right.
 

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The Real Reason Detroit Went Bankrupt: Conservative Michigan Misrule

By all means - do present your verifiable evidence of your allegation.
Maybe a bankruptcy filing due to fiscal insolvency.
 

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The Real Reason Detroit Went Bankrupt: Conservative Michigan Misrule

Funny how you on the far right are willing to forget about ones good deeds and the service Detroit did for the nation in our recent history as long as you can attempt to skewer your political enemies. it is perfect evidence of the utter pettiness of the far right.
It reflects the reality of mismanagement of public officials coupled with resident / voter ignorance.
 

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The Real Reason Detroit Went Bankrupt: Conservative Michigan Misrule

Funny how you on the far right are willing to forget about ones good deeds and the service Detroit did for the nation in our recent history as long as you can attempt to skewer your political enemies. it is perfect evidence of the utter pettiness of the far right.
Not a right winger - failure!

Why did you Detroit people just sit idly by and allow such a pathetic level of fiscal neglect to build and build?

Are proud of the fact that suppliers of goods and services will get stiffed for most of their legitimate bills?

Are you proud of the irresponsibility of Detroit and all residents?
 

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Not a right winger - failure!

Why did you Detroit people just sit idly by and allow such a pathetic level of fiscal neglect to build and build?

Are proud of the fact that suppliers of goods and services will get stiffed for most of their legitimate bills?

Are you proud of the irresponsibility of Detroit and all residents?
It is also funny that your liberal bias keeps you from recognizing the obvious recent fiscal failure of your city.

Should not your residents be the first to recognize such irresponsibility from your elected leaders, no matter their political affiliation?
 

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Funny how you on the far right are willing to forget about ones good deeds and the service Detroit did for the nation in our recent history as long as you can attempt to skewer your political enemies. it is perfect evidence of the utter pettiness of the far right.
The government of Detroit never did anything for me. Maybe the PEOPLE who live in Detroit did, but certainly not the government of Detroit.
 

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Maybe a bankruptcy filing due to fiscal insolvency.
Which is evidence of a bankruptcy due to fiscal problems.

Now all you have to do is figure out the cause of them.
 

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It reflects the reality of mismanagement of public officials coupled with resident / voter ignorance.
Now all you have to do is present the verifiable evidence that your claim is what caused the bankruptcy.
 

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I don't have enemies. It is a debate site. In a debate the source of information is always relevant. I even gave an example. Do you believe oil companies that say they don't contribute to global warming or challenge global warming statements by academia? I doubt that you do, but the only relevance is taking the word of an academic, union, liberal, socialist over the obvious evidence of who was in charge the last 30 years or more of Detroit. The socialist, academic, liberal is of course going to propel his agenda just as he did for the clintonians more than a decade ago. His bantor is worthless diatribe.


Well one really good reason is because this is a debate site and it is suppose to be about the evidence behind your argument and not mere character assassination of your perceived enemies.
 

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Now all you have to do is present the verifiable evidence that your claim is what caused the bankruptcy.
Ah, so Detroit willingly and knowingly spent more money than they had in revenue?

Illegal and stupid is what you are saying?
 

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Which is evidence of a bankruptcy due to fiscal problems.

Now all you have to do is figure out the cause of them.
Detroit has spent more money than they brought in.

Seems that at least one of your professional politicians should have been able ti figure that out.
 

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All these people criticizing the person and not one person that I can remember in this thread has actively disputed what he said. Could someone who disagrees with him tell us why you disagree with what he said, instead of resorting to "liberal" "union" "leftist"?

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with his position, I simply do not know enough about the situation to do so. But everything he said is perfectly reasonable. So for those who disagree, can you give reasons why which don't include fallacious arguments and useless rhetoric?
 

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not a right winger - failure!
right of right perhaps.
 
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