The Reach of the Spirit of The Lord

[medi]

So let me offer that I am by myself and I use the Lord's Name in vain when swearing at some stupid mistake I made and I immediately ask for forgiveness; do you reckon The Lord has noticed?

I asked myself that and then realized I was asking myself just what is the reach of the Lord's Spirit?

As an extension, I then ask myself if the Spirit of The Lord represents The Lord? Or possibly IS The Lord?

I think the last question is the definitive question here.

If the Spirit of The Lord is The Lord, we have a lot of answers to many questions that have been asked throughout the ages, and have been asked in this Community.

It would also break the breaks between many religious groups.

 

[Loulit01]

Craziness.

 

[Lees]

So let me offer that I am by myself and I use the Lord's Name in vain when swearing at some stupid mistake I made and I immediately ask for forgiveness; do you reckon The Lord has noticed?

I asked myself that and then realized I was asking myself just what is the reach of the Lord's Spirit?

As an extension, I then ask myself if the Spirit of The Lord represents The Lord? Or possibly IS The Lord?

I think the last question is the definitive question here.

If the Spirit of The Lord is The Lord, we have a lot of answers to many questions that have been asked throughout the ages, and have been asked in this Community.

It would also break the breaks between many religious groups.

I would say first that the reach of the Lord's Spirit can reach as far as the Lord wants or needs to reach. There is no place He cannot reach.

Which would answer your first question...has the Lord noticed? Yes.

And, if you're a born-again Christian, the Lord doesn't need to reach very far because you have the Holy Spirit/Spirit of Christ in you. (Rom. 8:9)

As to your question, 'is that Spirit The Lord', consider (John 7:38-39) "He that believeth on me...out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive; for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)"

As you can see in (Rom.8:9) that Holy Spirit the believer has is the Spirit of Christ. But that Spirit of Christ would be given when the Holy Spirit was given at Pentecost. (John 7:38-39) Then we are told in (Rom. 8:11) "But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you."

My understanding on this is we as believers have the Holy Spirit. But it's not just the Holy Spirit. It is the Spirit as united with Christ's Spirit when it raised Him from the dead.

Lees

 

[medi]

I would say first that the reach of the Lord's Spirit can reach as far as the Lord wants or needs to reach. There is no place He cannot reach.

Which would answer your first question...has the Lord noticed? Yes.

And, if you're a born-again Christian, the Lord doesn't need to reach very far because you have the Holy Spirit/Spirit of Christ in you. (Rom. 8:9)

As to your question, 'is that Spirit The Lord', consider (John 7:38-39) "He that believeth on me...out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive; for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)"

As you can see in (Rom.8:9) that Holy Spirit the believer has is the Spirit of Christ. But that Spirit of Christ would be given when the Holy Spirit was given at Pentecost. (John 7:38-39) Then we are told in (Rom. 8:11) "But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you."

My understanding on this is we as believers have the Holy Spirit. But it's not just the Holy Spirit. It is the Spirit as united with Christ's Spirit when it raised Him from the dead.

Lees

Allow me some time to study your post, Lees. Soon time for bed here in Japan. In fact, just took my evening medicine, except for one. I'll study your response in my morning.

Thank you for your thoughts.

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By the way, Loulit01, I thought we had already established that I was crazy.

Craziness.

But you still took a look at the post, which means you still have hope I can be cured. Thank you.

 

[redbeer]

So let me offer that I am by myself and I use the Lord's Name in vain when swearing at some stupid mistake I made and I immediately ask for forgiveness; do you reckon The Lord has noticed?

I asked myself that and then realized I was asking myself just what is the reach of the Lord's Spirit?

As an extension, I then ask myself if the Spirit of The Lord represents The Lord? Or possibly IS The Lord?

I think the last question is the definitive question here.

If the Spirit of The Lord is The Lord, we have a lot of answers to many questions that have been asked throughout the ages, and have been asked in this Community.

It would also break the breaks between many religious groups.

Is this a question similar to the one if a tree falls in the forest with nobody around, does it still make a sound? Or more akin, to is God who is Spirit bound to the laws of this material universe in which we find ourselves?

God spoke and it came to be, however long that took, yet before this "time" God was still somewhere, right? Methinks we know very little of anything, yet somehow think we have it all figured out.

How many times have we been wrong and are we wrong now, whether believers or non-believers. We change ideals, our minds, thoughts, knowledge as we grow, maybe to truth or error, subjective to the whims of acceptance.

One thing which is constant is God's Spirit.....true, light, powerful, etc. We are stubborn know-it-alls who fail, fall, trip over the truth like one looking for their glasses, when it has been on their head the whole time. Patient, awaiting us to break, humble ourselves to open the possibility that maybe, just maybe there's something "outside" ourselves who will fill the void of being human. This Spirit will bring you to the ultimate place, where our own thoughts, feelings, knowledge, pride are refined in a fire, destroyed completely where His Spirit will then come and give you rest.

We are born of flesh then we are born of Spirit......just the way it is.

 

[uptower]

Does the spirit reach...around?

 

[Risky Thicket]

I would say first that the reach of the Lord's Spirit can reach as far as the Lord wants or needs to reach. There is no place He cannot reach.

Which would answer your first question...has the Lord noticed? Yes.

And, if you're a born-again Christian, the Lord doesn't need to reach very far because you have the Holy Spirit/Spirit of Christ in you. (Rom. 8:9)

As to your question, 'is that Spirit The Lord', consider (John 7:38-39) "He that believeth on me...out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive; for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)"

As you can see in (Rom.8:9) that Holy Spirit the believer has is the Spirit of Christ. But that Spirit of Christ would be given when the Holy Spirit was given at Pentecost. (John 7:38-39) Then we are told in (Rom. 8:11) "But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you."

My understanding on this is we as believers have the Holy Spirit. But it's not just the Holy Spirit. It is the Spirit as united with Christ's Spirit when it raised Him from the dead.

Lees

Meanwhile Texas is compelled to mandate the 10 C in every public classroom in Texas as they march toward Christian statism. Apparently In Texas the holy spirit is desperate for the assistance in expanding its weak reach.

Is it the medium or the message that's in trouble?

 

[Lees]

Meanwhile Texas is compelled to mandate the 10 C in every public classroom in Texas as they march toward Christian statism. Apparently In Texas the holy spirit is desperate for the assistance in expanding its weak reach.

Is it the medium or the message that's in trouble?

And what is your 'theological faith based foundation' from which you ask your question?

Lees

 

[Metanoia]

As to your question, 'is that Spirit The Lord', consider (John 7:38-39) "He that believeth on me...out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive; for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)"

We receive the Spirit it is up to us to accept it. Unfortunately for many the gift of the Spirit remains under the tree unopened…..expressed in songs like “I saw the light” and from Amazing Grace: “How precious did that grace appear that hour I first believed”. There are a lot of Christians that know by scripture that they have the Spirit but have not actually experienced it. They need to see and remove the wrapping that prevents them from seeing and feeling the Spirit.

 

[Risky Thicket]

And what is your 'theological faith based foundation' from which you ask your question?

Lees

Anti-Christian Nationalist.

 

[Lees]

Anti-Christian Nationalist.

Well, tell me where I can find this faith based foundation of yours? Where is your organization located? What are it's beliefs, based on it's faith?

Lees

 

[Lees]

We receive the Spirit it is up to us to accept it. Unfortunately for many the gift of the Spirit remains under the tree unopened…..expressed in songs like “I saw the light” and from Amazing Grace: “How precious did that grace appear that hour I first believed”. There are a lot of Christians that know by scripture that they have the Spirit but have not actually experienced it. They need to see and remove the wrapping that prevents them from seeing and feeling the Spirit.

And what Scripture do you base this on?

Lees

 

[Risky Thicket]

Well, tell me where I can find this faith based foundation of yours?

It is world wide.

Where is your organization located?

Wherever religious hegemony exists.

What are it's beliefs, based on it's faith?

Lees

Democracy, freedom, acceptance, equality, peace, love, understanding.

 

[Metanoia]

And what Scripture do you base this on?

Scripture, as we increasingly and repeatedly see, proves little or nothing. Witness the debate concerning the Trinity. Both sides trot out supposedly clinching evidence which is not accepted or interpreted the same way as the presenter……demonstrating no consensus. Christians in order to affirm they believe everything in the Bible literally are forced to accept that Adam was the first man on earth and that he first appeared only 6,000 years ago while credible evidence clearly demonstrate the inaccuracy of that belief. If the Holy Spirit leads us into all truth and if the Spirit was active in all Christians this particular debate and all others would not exist…..this lack of consensus demonstrates the limitation of Scripture thus we await the universality of the Spirit……maybe Google or AI can inform us of the most Spirit filled church on earth if anyone is foolish enough to believe that the Spirit is enclosed by brick and mortar……

 

[Lees]

It is world wide.


Wherever religious hegemony exists.


Democracy, freedom, acceptance, equality, peace, love, understanding.

Really? Never heard of it. Sounds like bullshit. But, give me the name of your faith based organization and foundation. Surely you have one.

You said before you are 'Anti-Christian Nationalist'. Is that where your supposed 'faith based' organization exists?

So, you say now your faith is based on democracy, freedom, acceptance, peace love and understanding? What makes that a'faith based foundation'? What makes that a religion where Theology is discussed?

Lees

 

[Lees]

Scripture, as we increasingly and repeatedly see, proves little or nothing. Witness the debate concerning the Trinity. Both sides trot out supposedly clinching evidence which is not accepted or interpreted the same way as the presenter……demonstrating no consensus. Christians in order to affirm they believe everything in the Bible literally are forced to accept that Adam was the first man on earth and that he first appeared only 6,000 years ago while credible evidence clearly demonstrate the inaccuracy of that belief. If the Holy Spirit leads us into all truth and if the Spirit was active in all Christians this particular debate and all others would not exist…..this lack of consensus demonstrates the limitation of Scripture thus we await the universality of the Spirit……maybe Google or AI can inform us of the most Spirit filled church on earth if anyone is foolish enough to believe that the Spirit is enclosed by brick and mortar……

Nice speech which says, in other words, you have no Scripture. Andy you admit you are not Christian. Yet, you want to come into a forum thread which is for 'faith based discussion' concerning the study of God. The only thing you present is the 'Anti-Christian' view that @Risky Thicket also presents.

That Christians debate over the Trinity or many other doctrines in Scriputre is immaterial. We who are the children of God are always learning and studying the Scripture. Thus we are at different stages of our understanding. Thus we have disagreements. But we know the Bible is the Word of God. We know God reveals Himself in His Word. We don't discard it as little or nothing as you do.

Thus your 'faith based foundation' is that you believe the Bible cannot be trusted. Where does your 'faith' come from? Demonstrate your faith.

Lees

 

[Risky Thicket]

Nice speech which says, in other words, you have no Scripture. Andy you admit you are not Christian. Yet, you want to come into a forum thread which is for 'faith based discussion' concerning the study of God. The only thing you present is the 'Anti-Christian' view that @Risky Thicket also presents.

That Christians debate over the Trinity or many other doctrines in Scriputre is immaterial. We who are the children of God are always learning and studying the Scripture. Thus we are at different stages of our understanding. Thus we have disagreements. But we know the Bible is the Word of God. We know God reveals Himself in His Word. We don't discard it as little or nothing as you do.

Thus your 'faith based foundation' is that you believe the Bible cannot be trusted. Where does your 'faith' come from? Demonstrate your faith.

Lees

Anti-Christian nationalist. Get it right, Lees

 

[medi]

This thread sure has gotten weird. And I still haven't had the time to properly study Post #3.

BUT, I suspect that Lees wouldn't be quite so pleasant if I were to explain my thoughts a little better before checking Scriptures.

You see, folks, I am wondering in Post #1 if God is the Spirit of The Lord? In another way to phrase that, the entity/identity of God is the Spirit of The Lord.

The acceptance of the Spirit of The Lord is the acceptance of God. And if God exists as Spirit only, it is infinite.

THEN, if we are to follow this path we have to define exactly what the Spirit is because it is not based upon the Holy Scriptures. The Holy Scriptures are based upon the Spirit. And the Spirit is The Lord, as well as being God.

And, I suspect some of you are not going to be liking that summary.

Plus, I have not checked with professor Google, or professor Bing, to see if another human has already come up with that thought process. I only had that develop in my brain very recently and didn't check to see whether that idea had already developed in another's brain.

And, Lees, I was going to do a couple of hours of research of the Scriptures to see if there was even a hint of anything like that there, but I just saw that this thread has gotten sort of weird, so I am just going to - - - well, I already did - - - summarize my thinking that created Post #1.

As for those opening two questions you posted, redbeer; neither had come to mind as the basics of what I just wrote about was forming in my mind. I think I remember seeing that question about the tree in some other venue in the past. I'd have to answer that question with a question: Do insects have ears?

 

[Metanoia]

Nice speech which says, in other words, you have no Scripture. Andy you admit you are not Christian. Yet, you want to come into a forum thread which is for 'faith based discussion' concerning the study of God. The only thing you present is the 'Anti-Christian' view that @Risky Thicket also presents.

That Christians debate over the Trinity or many other doctrines in Scriputre is immaterial. We who are the children of God are always learning and studying the Scripture. Thus we are at different stages of our understanding. Thus we have disagreements. But we know the Bible is the Word of God. We know God reveals Himself in His Word. We don't discard it as little or nothing as you do.

Thus your 'faith based foundation' is that you believe the Bible cannot be trusted. Where does your 'faith' come from? Demonstrate your faith.

This amusingly ignorant but then I do not know your church affiliation……perhaps your church requires you to declare that you believe everything word in the Bible to be literally true with no spiritual understanding allowed……my church had a very simple confession of accepting Jesus as savior. The majority of Christians today being supporters and admirers of Trump expose themselves as hypocrites of the highest level. You are correct that there are different stages of understanding and most Christians have never graduated to the spiritual level…..believing only in the Bible which leads to disagreement among all churches. The success of any church is their ability to be unique and separate themselves from other Christians…..and it will continue to get worse as many are determined to serve 2 masters or more….certainly Trump and Jesus…..others would add God and the Holy Spirit……viewing all of them as being separate. The Bible becomes trusted when the Spirit reveals its truths…..without that one will never be able to experience oneness with God…..Jesus himself was skeptical of “diligent study of Scripture” so expertise in the Bible does in no way guarantee entrance to heaven.

 

[Daisy]

Some might be puzzled, however, by one passage that could be interpreted as though Jesus were discouraging the study of the Bible. At John 5:39, 40, we read what Jesus said to some in his day: “You are searching the Scriptures, because you think that by means of them you will have everlasting life; and these are the very ones that bear witness about me. And yet you do not want to come to me that you may have life.”

By that comment Jesus was not discouraging his Jewish listeners from studying the Scriptures. Rather, he was showing up their insincerity or their inconsistency. They realized that the Scriptures could guide them to everlasting life, but the very Scriptures that they were searching also should have led them to the Messiah, Jesus. Nonetheless, they refused to accept him. Studying was thus of no profit because they were not sincere, teachable.—Deuteronomy 18:15; Luke 11:52; John 7:47, 48.
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2002443#h=11:0-12:0

 

[Lees]

This thread sure has gotten weird. And I still haven't had the time to properly study Post #3.

BUT, I suspect that Lees wouldn't be quite so pleasant if I were to explain my thoughts a little better before checking Scriptures.

You see, folks, I am wondering in Post #1 if God is the Spirit of The Lord? In another way to phrase that, the entity/identity of God is the Spirit of The Lord.

The acceptance of the Spirit of The Lord is the acceptance of God. And if God exists as Spirit only, it is infinite.

THEN, if we are to follow this path we have to define exactly what the Spirit is because it is not based upon the Holy Scriptures. The Holy Scriptures are based upon the Spirit. And the Spirit is The Lord, as well as being God.

And, I suspect some of you are not going to be liking that summary.

Plus, I have not checked with professor Google, or professor Bing, to see if another human has already come up with that thought process. I only had that develop in my brain very recently and didn't check to see whether that idea had already developed in another's brain.

And, Lees, I was going to do a couple of hours of research of the Scriptures to see if there was even a hint of anything like that there, but I just saw that this thread has gotten sort of weird, so I am just going to - - - well, I already did - - - summarize my thinking that created Post #1.

As for those opening two questions you posted, redbeer; neither had come to mind as the basics of what I just wrote about was forming in my mind. I think I remember seeing that question about the tree in some other venue in the past. I'd have to answer that question with a question: Do insects have ears?

Well, I was clear in my post #(3). There is no need for me to repeat it as an answer to your post #(1).

Lees

 

[Lees]

This amusingly ignorant but then I do not know your church affiliation……perhaps your church requires you to declare that you believe everything word in the Bible to be literally true with no spiritual understanding allowed……my church had a very simple confession of accepting Jesus as savior. The majority of Christians today being supporters and admirers of Trump expose themselves as hypocrites of the highest level. You are correct that there are different stages of understanding and most Christians have never graduated to the spiritual level…..believing only in the Bible which leads to disagreement among all churches. The success of any church is their ability to be unique and separate themselves from other Christians…..and it will continue to get worse as many are determined to serve 2 masters or more….certainly Trump and Jesus…..others would add God and the Holy Spirit……viewing all of them as being separate. The Bible becomes trusted when the Spirit reveals its truths…..without that one will never be able to experience oneness with God…..Jesus himself was skeptical of “diligent study of Scripture” so expertise in the Bible does in no way guarantee entrance to heaven.

Where does your church get the idea that they should confess and accept Jesus as Saviour?

As I said, your 'faith based foundation' is that the Bible cannot be trusted. So, what is your faith based upon?

Lees

 

[Lees]

Anti-Christian nationalist. Get it right, Lees

See post #(15).

Lees

 

[medi]

Well, I was clear in my post #(3). There is no need for me to repeat it as an answer to your post #(1).

Lees

Firstly, your latest response was to Post #18, not Post #1.

Secondly, that clarification didn't seem to trigger John 4:24 in your response in that quote box above. And I think the blue highlighting covers another point in a reasonable manner.



BUT what is not highlighted is even more significant, thus this impolite structure of my post:

... is not simply a more complex physical being, or a limited creature.

 

[Lees]

Firstly, your latest response was to Post #18, not Post #1.

Secondly, that clarification didn't seem to trigger John 4:24 in your response in that quote box above. And I think the blue highlighting covers another point in a reasonable manner.



BUT what is not highlighted is even more significant, thus this impolite structure of my post:

No, in your post #(18) you stated that you summarized your thinking that you stated in post #(1). Thus, my reply, post #(3), was that I already made my position clear in regards to your post #(1). And there was no need for me to repeat it.

I saw no reason for (John 4:24) to trigger anything. You addressed the reach of the Lord's Spirit. Thus I said concerning the Christian, that reach didn't have to go very far, as the Christian has the Holy Spirit of God in him. But I also felt it important to note that that Holy Spirit of God, in the believer, was the Holy Spirit in it's relation and role in the Resurrection of Jesus Christ. (Rom 8:9) "But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his." See again also, (Rom. 8:11), and (John 7:38-39).

(John 4:24) declares God is Spirit. Which is true. I have not said otherwise, have I?

Lees