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The Qur'an tells Muslims to fight until Islam reigns supreme.

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The following four verses command Muslims to fight until Islam reigns supreme. Ongoing insurgencies in the African Sahel and elsewhere are a direct result of Islam's clearly stated goal of ruling the world. Unitalicized comments in square braces are mine added for clarity and context:

2:193 - "And fight them until persecution [rejection of Islam] is no more, and religion is for Allah. But if they desist [cease their opposition to Islam], then let there be no hostility except against wrong-doers [those who continue to oppose Islam]."

8:39 - "And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is all for Allah. But if they cease, then lo! Allah is seer of what they do." [Same definitions as above]

9:29 - "Fight against those who have been given the Scripture [Jews and Christians] as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low."

9:33 - "He it is Who hath sent His messenger [Mohamed] with the guidance [the Qur'an] and the Religion of Truth [Islam], that He may cause it to prevail over all religion, however much the idolaters may be averse."
 
stevecanuck said:
The following four verses command Muslims to fight until Islam reigns supreme. Ongoing insurgencies in the African Sahel and elsewhere are a direct result of Islam's clearly stated goal of ruling the world. Unitalicized comments in square braces are mine added for clarity and context:

2:193 - "And fight them until persecution [rejection of Islam] is no more, and religion is for Allah. But if they desist [cease their opposition to Islam], then let there be no hostility except against wrong-doers [those who continue to oppose Islam]."

8:39 - "And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is all for Allah. But if they cease, then lo! Allah is seer of what they do." [Same definitions as above]

9:29 - "Fight against those who have been given the Scripture [Jews and Christians] as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low."

9:33 - "He it is Who hath sent His messenger [Mohamed] with the guidance [the Qur'an] and the Religion of Truth [Islam], that He may cause it to prevail over all religion, however much the idolaters may be averse."
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Broken record.
 
stevecanuck said:
The following four verses command Muslims to fight until Islam reigns supreme.
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That's why Hitler admired islam. He saw it as a masculine and militaristic religion, which he believed would have suited the german people better than christianity.

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Why did Hitler want to be a Muslim?

"It is our bad luck that we have chosen the wrong faith." This is what Hitler once complained to his architect, Albert Speer. "Why should we have Christianity, with its gentleness and wisdom?", he asked. For the Nazi leader, Islam was the "religion of men" (Männerreligion) - pure, too. The...
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Today leftists luv and defend islam, even as gay people are being thrown off of buildings to their death.
 
aociswundumho said:
Today leftists luv and defend islam, even as gay people are being thrown off of buildings to their death.
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Republicans have spent teh last 4 years fighting tooth and nail to make the LGTBQ community miserable and feel like outsiders in their own country. There’s growing talk in red states of banning gay marriage. Ask the trans community how safe they feel in America these days. It’s not radical Muslims in other countries that are a threat to American’s LGTBQ population.
 
The Brad Dad said:
Republicans have spent teh last 4 years fighting tooth and nail to make the LGTBQ community miserable and feel like outsiders in their own country. There’s growing talk in red states of banning gay marriage. Ask the trans community how safe they feel in America these days. It’s not radical Muslims in other countries that are a threat to American’s LGTBQ population.
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The US is probably one of the best places on earth to be trans. In Muslim countries, there is zero tolerance and they help you to the other side rather quickly.
 
Artymoon said:
The US is probably one of the best places on earth to be trans. In Muslim countries, there is zero tolerance and they help you to the other side rather quickly.
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No, it’s actually not one of the best places to be trans right now. You couldn’t be more wrong and probably know zero trans people.
 
The Brad Dad said:
No, it’s actually not one of the best places to be trans right now. You couldn’t be more wrong and probably know zero trans people.
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Sorry, but I will disagree and even remotely insinuating that America is as bad as a Muslim country in this regard is quite stunning.

I know two, not that it matters.
 
stevecanuck said:
The following four verses command Muslims to fight until Islam reigns supreme. Ongoing insurgencies in the African Sahel and elsewhere are a direct result of Islam's clearly stated goal of ruling the world. Unitalicized comments in square braces are mine added for clarity and context:

2:193 - "And fight them until persecution [rejection of Islam] is no more, and religion is for Allah. But if they desist [cease their opposition to Islam], then let there be no hostility except against wrong-doers [those who continue to oppose Islam]."

8:39 - "And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is all for Allah. But if they cease, then lo! Allah is seer of what they do." [Same definitions as above]

9:29 - "Fight against those who have been given the Scripture [Jews and Christians] as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low."

9:33 - "He it is Who hath sent His messenger [Mohamed] with the guidance [the Qur'an] and the Religion of Truth [Islam], that He may cause it to prevail over all religion, however much the idolaters may be averse."
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Your interpretations sure do come with quite a bit of bias.

Why?
 
Artymoon said:
Sorry, but I will disagree and even remotely insinuating that America is as bad as a Muslim country in this regard is quite stunning.

I know two, not that it matters.
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It’s worse than a Muslim country, actually. We’re supposed to be better and yet the sitting president has let all Trans Americans know they’re not wanted and they don’t belong here. Then you have the increasingly acts of violence against them.

I don’t believe you.
 
stevecanuck said:
The following four verses command Muslims to fight until Islam reigns supreme. Ongoing insurgencies in the African Sahel and elsewhere are a direct result of Islam's clearly stated goal of ruling the world. Unitalicized comments in square braces are mine added for clarity and context:

2:193 - "And fight them until persecution [rejection of Islam] is no more, and religion is for Allah. But if they desist [cease their opposition to Islam], then let there be no hostility except against wrong-doers [those who continue to oppose Islam]."
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I just looked up the verse you cited.

English Translation​

Here you can read various translations of verse 193
Sahih International
Fight them until there is no [more] fitnah and [until] worship is [acknowledged to be] for Allah. But if they cease, then there is to be no aggression except against the oppressors.
Yusuf Ali
“And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression.
Abul Ala Maududi
Go on fighting with them till there is no more a state of tribulation and Allah’s way is established instead. Then if they desist from it, there should be no more hostility except against those who had been guilty of cruelty and brutality.
Muhsin Khan
And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah) and (all and every kind of) worship is for Allah (Alone). But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)
Pickthall
And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrong-doers.
Dr. Ghali
And fight them until there is no temptation, (Or: discrd, strife, sedition) and the religion is for Allah. Yet in case they refrain, then there shall be no hostility except against the unjust.
Abdel Haleem
Fight them until there is no more persecution, and worship is devoted to God. If they cease hostilities, there can be no [further] hostility, except towards aggressors.
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Surah Al-Baqarah Ayat 193 (2:193 Quran) With Tafsir

Read Surah Baqarah Ayat 193 (2:193) with translation. Included verse by verse commentary with tafsir for those looking to learn about this ayah in detail.
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I think we do get it wrong when we take a verse out of context. It is done with Bible verses as well.
Not going through all your verses but I let that first one speak for itself.

We had our collective cage rattles years ago and during that time we were programmed to reject Muslims and were told that they are all evil because whatever verse from the Quran suited the occasion.
I bought it for a while.
Let go and let God.
8:39 - "And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is all for Allah. But if they cease, then lo! Allah is seer of what they do." [Same definitions as above]
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stevecanuck said:
9:29 - "Fight against those who have been given the Scripture [Jews and Christians] as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low."

9:33 - "He it is Who hath sent His messenger [Mohamed] with the guidance [the Qur'an] and the Religion of Truth [Islam], that He may cause it to prevail over all religion, however much the idolaters may be averse."
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The Brad Dad said:
It’s worse than a Muslim country, actually. We’re supposed to be better and yet the sitting president has let all Trans Americans know they’re not wanted and they don’t belong here. Then you have the increasingly acts of violence against them.

I don’t believe you.
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I don't care if you believe me or not. Again, quite stunning that anyone would think that America is worse than a Muslim country in this regard. Wow.
 
Artymoon said:
I don't care if you believe me or not. Again, quite stunning that anyone would think that America is worse than a Muslim country in this regard. Wow.
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I explained why. The current admin has made it policy to terrorize the trans community in this country.
 
The Brad Dad said:
I explained why. The current admin has made it policy to terrorize the trans community in this country.
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Who is being terrorized? The current admin is not saying you can't be trans, they are saying that the federal gov't does not have to recognize every facet of the community. That's a far cry from how Muslim countries handle it.
 
stevecanuck said:
The following four verses command Muslims to fight until Islam reigns supreme. Ongoing insurgencies in the African Sahel and elsewhere are a direct result of Islam's clearly stated goal of ruling the world. Unitalicized comments in square braces are mine added for clarity and context:

2:193 - "And fight them until persecution [rejection of Islam] is no more, and religion is for Allah. But if they desist [cease their opposition to Islam], then let there be no hostility except against wrong-doers [those who continue to oppose Islam]."

8:39 - "And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is all for Allah. But if they cease, then lo! Allah is seer of what they do." [Same definitions as above]

9:29 - "Fight against those who have been given the Scripture [Jews and Christians] as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low."

9:33 - "He it is Who hath sent His messenger [Mohamed] with the guidance [the Qur'an] and the Religion of Truth [Islam], that He may cause it to prevail over all religion, however much the idolaters may be averse."
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stevecanuck said:
The following four verses command Muslims to fight until Islam reigns supreme. Ongoing insurgencies in the African Sahel and elsewhere are a direct result of Islam's clearly stated goal of ruling the world. Unitalicized comments in square braces are mine added for clarity and context:

2:193 - "And fight them until persecution [rejection of Islam] is no more, and religion is for Allah. But if they desist [cease their opposition to Islam], then let there be no hostility except against wrong-doers [those who continue to oppose Islam]."

8:39 - "And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is all for Allah. But if they cease, then lo! Allah is seer of what they do." [Same definitions as above]

9:29 - "Fight against those who have been given the Scripture [Jews and Christians] as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low."

9:33 - "He it is Who hath sent His messenger [Mohamed] with the guidance [the Qur'an] and the Religion of Truth [Islam], that He may cause it to prevail over all religion, however much the idolaters may be averse."
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The Bible tells Christians that if they do not do what they are told, they will die for eternity.
 
Noodlegawd said:
The Bible tells Christians that if they do not do what they are told, they will die for eternity.
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That’s the after bit. Right here can be bad too. God tells His chosen ones that if they don’t do what He says, He will lay siege to their city so dire they will be forced to eat their own children
 
The chilling statement, "He will lay siege to their city so dire they will be forced to eat their own children," describes a horrific consequence of severe siege and starvation

This is a recurring theme in historical accounts, particularly during prolonged sieges or times of extreme famine.

Examples from history and literature where this situation is depicted:

Biblical Accounts: The Hebrew Bible, in various passages like Deuteronomy 28:53-57 and Jeremiah 19:9, contains prophecies and descriptions of sieges where, due to extreme hardship, people would be driven to such desperate acts. For instance, 2 Kings 6:24-33 describes a siege of Samaria by the Arameans, where two mothers made a pact to cook and eat their children for survival.

Siege of Jerusalem (70 CE): The Jewish historian Flavius Josephus, in his work The Jewish War, provides a harrowing account of a wealthy woman named Mary who, during the Roman siege of Jerusalem, killed and ate her own child due to starvation.

Siege of Leningrad (WWII): During the Nazi siege of Leningrad, which lasted almost three years, the city faced severe starvation, leading to instances of cannibalism. While authorities punished those involved in such acts, it highlights the extreme lengths people were driven to for survival.

Siege of Suiyang (China): In 757 CE, during the An Lushan rebellion, the defenders of the city of Suiyang resorted to large-scale cannibalism to prolong their resistance against the rebel Yan army.

Medieval Europe: Reports of cannibalism, including the eating of children, are recorded during various famines and sieges in medieval Europe, demonstrating the desperation caused by lack of food.

These examples underscore the horrific realities of severe sieges and famines throughout history, where the fight for survival could lead to acts of extreme desperation, including cannibalism.
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