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The Qur'an tells Muslims to fight until Islam reigns supreme.

Historians generally agree that Adolf Hitler did not genuinely admire Islam or Muslims in a theological sense, but he saw potential in using them for his political and strategic goals.

Here's a breakdown of the complex relationship between Hitler's views and Islam:

1. Strategic Use of Islam:

Political Utility:
Hitler, though not religious himself, viewed religion primarily as a tool for social control. He saw Islam's emphasis on discipline and a "warrior ethos" as potentially useful for mobilizing people, particularly in the context of his fascist ideology and plans for empire building.

Anti-Allied and Anti-Jewish Propaganda: Nazi propaganda in the Arab world
  • rule. Hitler and other Nazi leaders, including Heinrich Himmler, were recorded making statements that, though likely politically motivated, suggested a degree of respect for Islam as a "practical and attractive religion for soldiers," particularly due to its promise of paradise for martyrs.
  • Recruitment of Muslim Soldiers: Nazi Germany actively recruited Muslims to fight alongside the German forces in various theaters, particularly in North Africa and the Balkans.
2. Hitler's Views on Religion:
  • Preference for "Martial" Religions: Hitler compared Islam favorably to Christianity, which he saw as "meek" and "flabby" due to its emphasis on pacifism. He reportedly wished Germany had a more "martial" religion like Islam.
  • Disregard for Theology: Hitler's appreciation of Islam was strategic and utilitarian, not theological. He wasn't interested in Islamic theology itself, but rather in what he perceived as its practical application in building an empire and inspiring a warrior cult.
  • Private Ridicule of Christianity: Despite his public rhetoric, Hitler often privately ridiculed Christianity.
3. Racial Ideology and Contradictions:
  • Racial Hierarchy: Nazi racial ideology considered Arabs as racially inferior, a sentiment echoed by Hitler himself in private remarks.
  • Collaboration with Muslim Leaders: Despite his racist views, Hitler engaged with Muslim leaders like the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Hajj Amin al-Husseini. Al-Husseini supported the Nazis due to their shared hostility towards British colonial rule and Zionism. The Nazis even granted Al-Husseini "honorary Aryan" status, showing their willingness to overlook their own racial ideology for political gains.
4. Limitations of Nazi Courtship:
  • Failed Mobilization: Despite their efforts, Nazi attempts to fully mobilize the Muslim world against the Allies were largely unsuccessful. Many Muslims saw through the opportunistic nature of Hitler's approaches.
  • Inability to See a Unified "Muslim World": The Nazi leadership's misperception of Islam as a monolithic entity prevented the development of more nuanced and localized strategies for engaging with Muslim populations.
In conclusion, while Hitler admired certain aspects of Islam, particularly its perceived martial qualities, his interest was primarily political and strategic. He saw it as a potential tool to further his goals, but it was not based on genuine admiration or respect for the religion itself.
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Hitler did not admire Islam lol.

A very charismatic speaker based his beliefs on grounds of superiority with a side of Jew-hatred. Then 1300 years later Hitler came along and did the same thing. The similarities between Islam and Naziism are many.
 
A very charismatic speaker based his beliefs on grounds of superiority with a side of Jew-hatred. Then 1300 years later Hitler came along and did the same thing. The similarities between Islam and Naziism are many.
To be fair though you can do that with anybody.

As far as I know, Hitler had absolutely zero comments or writings about Islam.

He barely did about Christianity.

As someone who has studied Hitler in depth his only influences were after WW1 when the Great Lie was developed that the Jews were responsible for the loss, picked up by the former soldiers he hung around with and Mussolini who developed the fascist ideology and put it into place effectively.

Religion only played a part in the way Goebbels used Christianity as a backdrop for his propaganda authorized by Hitler.

Hitler basically had no interest in religion one way or the other throughout his entire life.
 
To be fair though you can do that with anybody.

Yeah, ya gotta keep on eye on those Jains.

Uh, no you can't. That's an absurd generalization.

As far as I know, Hitler had absolutely zero comments or writings about Islam.

Not saying he did. I'm saying his views were based on racial superiority, whereas Islam's is based on religious superiority. In both cases Jews are the number one enemy and violence is the number one tool. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. No ideological overlap necessary.
 
Yeah, ya gotta keep on eye on those Jains.

Uh, no you can't. That's an absurd generalization.



Not saying he did. I'm saying his views were based on racial superiority, whereas Islam's is based on religious superiority. In both cases Jews are the number one enemy and violence is the number one tool. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. No ideological overlap necessary.
And that is where the debate lies.

Did Hitler actually believe in racial superiority, or did he use that as his justification to appease his narcissism?

He believed himself to be divinity in a way and was the perfect example of a psychopath so he would have used anything to manipulate his way to gain what he wanted.

In order to achieve power he needed an enemy so it became the Jews.

Now was this because he actually believed it or that they were the easiest target?

There are solid arguments both ways.
 
And that is where the debate lies.

Did Hitler actually believe in racial superiority, or did he use that as his justification to appease his narcissism?

He believed himself to be divinity in a way and was the perfect example of a psychopath so he would have used anything to manipulate his way to gain what he wanted.

In order to achieve power he needed an enemy so it became the Jews.

Now was this because he actually believed it or that they were the easiest target?

There are solid arguments both ways.

Mohamed had enemies only because he declared anyone who refused to adopt Islam, and therefore accept him as their leader, as such. It really is that simple.
 
They (Iran) are developing ATOMIC weapons and their intent is to use them --- on who do you think? The one thing I can say is that ISRAEL retaliates, it doesn't pick the fight. It has always been the one who was attacked first. Various groups may say that the Israelis were taking land from that Palestinians; however, before, during WW II and afterwards, the area known as Palestine was a largely uninhabited wasteland. https://i2i.org/what-palestine-was-like-before-it-was-the-state-of-israel/

^ Doesn't answer my question.
 
The following four verses command Muslims to fight until Islam reigns supreme. Ongoing insurgencies in the African Sahel and elsewhere are a direct result of Islam's clearly stated goal of ruling the world. Unitalicized comments in square braces are mine added for clarity and context:

2:193 - "And fight them until persecution [rejection of Islam] is no more, and religion is for Allah. But if they desist [cease their opposition to Islam], then let there be no hostility except against wrong-doers [those who continue to oppose Islam]."

8:39 - "And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is all for Allah. But if they cease, then lo! Allah is seer of what they do." [Same definitions as above]

9:29 - "Fight against those who have been given the Scripture [Jews and Christians] as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low."

9:33 - "He it is Who hath sent His messenger [Mohamed] with the guidance [the Qur'an] and the Religion of Truth [Islam], that He may cause it to prevail over all religion, however much the idolaters may be averse."
Doesn't the christian bible state the same goal?
 
^ Doesn't answer my question.
The answer is that one may stop the bombing for a while, but it will inevitably start up again, as long as, any nation thinks that another shouldn't exist. One simply cannot give an aggressor the upper hand. He needs to be treated as he has been dealing it.
 
Why, oh why would you embarrass yourself by denying something that can be found with the simplest of google searches???? Here, let me help:

Verse 8:55

Sahih International: Indeed, the worst of living creatures in the sight of Allah are those who have disbelieved, and they will not [ever] believe -

Pickthall: Lo! the worst of beasts in Allah's sight are the ungrateful who will not believe.

Yusuf Ali: For the worst of beasts in the sight of Allah are those who reject Him: They will not believe.

Shakir: Surely the vilest of animals in Allah's sight are those who disbelieve, then they would not believe.

Muhammad Sarwar: The most wicked creatures in the sight of God are the unbelievers who never have faith,

Mohsin Khan: Verily, The worst of moving (living) creatures before Allah are those who disbelieve, - so they shall not believe.

Arberry: Surely the worst of beasts in God's sight are the unbelievers, who will not believe.


In case you haven't figured it out, that includes you.
And I was just told yesterday that Jesus said the only unforgivable sin against god is blasphemy, rejecting him.


The unpardonable/unforgivable sin or “blasphemy of the Holy Spirit” is mentioned in Mark 3:22–30 and Matthew 12:22–32. Jesus said, “Truly I tell you, people can be forgiven all their sins and every slander they utter” (Mark 3:28), but then He gives one exception: “Whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; they are guilty of an eternal sin” (verse 29).

Same claim, just differently worded by a different prophet.
 
Sorry, not jumping through any more hoops.

reading the posts in a thread can be quite the chore

only a trained animal who jumps through hoops would bother reading the posts they are replying to



It would be easier if you just summarized your suggestions for clarity.

I already, did.

Then I posted them.

Now you are asking me to repeat them.

🤷
 
I already, did.

Then I posted them.

Now you are asking me to repeat them.

🤷

The only reason I'm still replying to you is that it's my thread, so I feel obligated to see it through. I've mined back through our entire 'conversation'.

In posts 51 and 56 you stated that people don't always follow the dictates of their religion, and I pointed out the 'no shit, sherlock' aspect of that. I'm done with it.

Also in post 56 you said this:

"However, if humans tend to pick and choose which religious precepts they embrace cafeteria style,
then merely posting verses is insufficient to show that the the verses are indicative of people's behavior.

You would also need to show that people are actually adding those particular verses to their cafeteria tray.

Does that make sense to you?"


Your cafateria analogy is fatally flawed. The bible is indeed a menu. It was written by about 40 to 45 authors over 2000 years and is divided into two testaments, so yes, people can order the full Jesus portion and hold the Deuteronomy. In stark contrast, the Qur'an came from the mouth of one man over 22 years, and is therefore a fully plated meal. You either put it on your tray or not. Read the 1988 founding charter of Hamas for an example. It contains 330 direct references to Islam. It claims that the Qur'an is it's constitution. The fact that dozens of Islamic jihad groups are currently dispensing the love and tolerance of Islam from the barrels of their AK-47's should tell you what's on their tray.

Does that make sense to you?

I now consider my obligation to answer those posts to be satisfied. Anything else?
 
The globalists with funny surnames have sought to hid this truth from us, but you have spoken the truth! Every Serbian nationalist understands the danger of Islam; Karadzic valiantly fought against the Bosnian Islamists and Milosevic defended his country against Islamists from Kosmet. The Western globalists want to hide this from us so they can keep supporting fake countries like Kosovo, Bosnia, and Palestine!
 
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