The Problem with Pot

[RabidAlpaca]

That's really the issue I have with MJ - depending on what variety, how much THC in that particular plant, what concentration of other chemicals you can't just have 1 hit and be "OK" depending on how tolerant the person is. I can have 4 oz of wine, a pony beer, a full glass, a pint or 10 pints and how alcohol is processed and tolerated is much more predictable based on body weight. 1 hit on a joint may put someone comatose for 4 hours, paranoid for 2 hours, or happy as hell for 6 hours and then someone who's used to the effects could require 4 hits or more. One bud from one plant might differ greatly from another bud from some other plant grown somewhere else of the same cross bred variety - it's all just too .... unpredictable.

It's 'unpredictable' because there is no regulation. If you buy weed off the street you have no idea what could be in it. In places where it's legal you can go to shops and have a knowledgable worker help you pick out the right strain for you. You can know exactly what % it is and exactly what's in it.

 

[Ockham]

It's 'unpredictable' because there is no regulation. If you buy weed off the street you have no idea what could be in it. In places where it's legal you can go to shops and have a knowledgable worker help you pick out the right strain for you. You can know exactly what % it is and exactly what's in it.

It's unpredictable regardless of regulation since the amount of THC or other compounds are not tested per plant, therefore the dosage cannot be quantified. And a knowledgeable worker would not know the % other than what the grower guesses it would be. That amount and % of all sorts of compounds could vary greatly in the same variant and sub-species grown in different places, with different soils, different amounts of water, etc. As opposed to say - a beer which has a measured % of alcohol by volume, or any alcoholic beverage; a pale ale at 5.4% abv by Anchor Steam on the West Coast has the exact same amount of alcohol as say a Flying Fish pale ale measured at 5.4% abv made in the East Coast, thought they may taste different.

 

[Texmex]

It's unpredictable regardless of regulation since the amount of THC or other compounds are not tested per plant, therefore the dosage cannot be quantified. And a knowledgeable worker would not know the % other than what the grower guesses it would be. That amount and % of all sorts of compounds could vary greatly in the same variant and sub-species grown in different places, with different soils, different amounts of water, etc. As opposed to say - a beer which has a measured % of alcohol by volume, or any alcoholic beverage; a pale ale at 5.4% abv by Anchor Steam on the West Coast has the exact same amount of alcohol as say a Flying Fish pale ale measured at 5.4% abv made in the East Coast, thought they may taste different.

Yea, this information will stop us from smoking cannabis. :roll:

 

[Ockham]

Yea, this information will stop us from smoking cannabis. :roll:

It's not meant to stop you from smoking - in fact smoke it as much as you want where you want with whom you want. That swish you heard was the point sailing over your head. :shrug:

 

[WCH]

I was reading about alcohol enemas the other night and it got me wondering if it was possible to use marijuana.

Then I came to the realization that I would have to get some pothead to blow smoke up my ass.

 

[Texmex]

It's not meant to stop you from smoking - in fact smoke it as much as you want where you want with whom you want. That swish you heard was the point sailing over your head. :shrug:

You would need a very high-flying swish to make it over my head at the moment.

 

[Dovkan]

"The Heritage Foundation" Ah, what a good Start. Caffeine is addictive to some, as is alcohol, pornography.. The fact is, marijuana is rarely addictive, and I'd like to see the peer reviewed studies that show marijuana directly linked to death in large numbers, or any substantial size, apart from isolated incidents that hardly form comprehensive data. I sure can look at cigarettes or alcohol.. Might as well outlaw them.

 

[Papa bull]

It's unpredictable regardless of regulation since the amount of THC or other compounds are not tested per plant, therefore the dosage cannot be quantified. And a knowledgeable worker would not know the % other than what the grower guesses it would be. That amount and % of all sorts of compounds could vary greatly in the same variant and sub-species grown in different places, with different soils, different amounts of water, etc. As opposed to say - a beer which has a measured % of alcohol by volume, or any alcoholic beverage; a pale ale at 5.4% abv by Anchor Steam on the West Coast has the exact same amount of alcohol as say a Flying Fish pale ale measured at 5.4% abv made in the East Coast, thought they may taste different.

Unlike virtually every other illegal drug, an "overdose" will cause you no lasting harm and if you're smoking or vaporizing the stuff, titration is as simple as stopping when you've got the desired effect. Now if you mess around and eat a triple or quadruple dose of edibles, you can buckle your seat belt and hang on for the ride and it might not be all that fun, but titration with marijuana isn't really an issue. Drink too much and you might die. Get too stoned and you get couch lock. It's not a big deal.

Here's a big deal, though.

There are more than 2,200 alcohol poisoning deaths in the U.S. each year – an average of 6 alcohol poisoning deaths every day.

Hell, you're more likely to die from taking aspirin than ingesting marijuana. A huge number of perfectly legal over-the-counter medications have the potential for a fatal overdose. Marijuana doesn't have potential for a fatal overdose. Prohibition is foolish. We need to stop being fools.

 

[Ockham]

Unlike virtually every other illegal drug, an "overdose" will cause you no lasting harm and if you're smoking or vaporizing the stuff, titration is as simple as stopping when you've got the desired effect. Now if you mess around and eat a triple or quadruple dose of edibles, you can buckle your seat belt and hang on for the ride and it might not be all that fun, but titration with marijuana isn't really an issue. Drink too much and you might die. Get too stoned and you get couch lock. It's not a big deal.

Here's a big deal, though.



Hell, you're more likely to die from taking aspirin than ingesting marijuana. A huge number of perfectly legal over-the-counter medications have the potential for a fatal overdose. Marijuana doesn't have potential for a fatal overdose. Prohibition is foolish. We need to stop being fools.

If there can be a better measurement of marijuana - whether it be THC or other compounds for nausea, or whatever - it would make dosing easier is all I'm saying. It would be good if the industry could come up with their own methodology instead of waiting for the government to step in and impose it, in that heavy handed over kill and regulatory way they do. Yes, I agree prohibition is stupid - IMO all drugs should be legalized. Usage over decades will drop to record levels never seen or even imagined.

 

[Papa bull]

If there can be a better measurement of marijuana - whether it be THC or other compounds for nausea, or whatever - it would make dosing easier is all I'm saying. It would be good if the industry could come up with their own methodology instead of waiting for the government to step in and impose it, in that heavy handed over kill and regulatory way they do. Yes, I agree prohibition is stupid - IMO all drugs should be legalized. Usage over decades will drop to record levels never seen or even imagined.

The industry is going to come up with it's own methodology in due time. It's a bit of a challenge at the moment for the industry because the industry has been severely hampered in efforts to move forward scientifically because of it's status as a schedule I substance. Meanwhile, titration isn't really a problem except with edibles. That's where caution is advised in order to avoid truly unpredictable outcomes like spending a few hours thinking you're dying (according to some of the stories I've heard, anyway).

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

Going to bill bennet about marijuana would be like going to cheech and chong about rocket surgery,.

 

[Lovebug]

The problem with pot is that not enough is available, legally. There, that's it.

 

[SpectateSwamp]

If they are wrong about Pot then they are likely wrong on other issues

Don't trust anything people that are against Pot say. Obviously they are Dumb SOBs

 

[sookster]

The Problem With Pot

There are a growing number of medical marijuana dispensaries across the United States and a majority of Americans who support legalization. But two critics of the drug said the science points to serious problems with pot.

Speaking at a Heritage Foundation event Monday, former drug czar William J. Bennett and federal prosecutor Robert A. White outlined the evidence in their new book, “Going to Pot: Why the Rush to Legalize Marijuana Is Harming America.”

“Almost all evidence is on our side, the side of science and fact,” said Bennett, former director of the Office of National Drug Control Policy under President George H.W. Bush. “The legalization advocates are winning the debate,” added White, a former assistant U.S. attorney for the District of New Jersey. “They are organized and well-funded. And they are winning because the public is not informed of the harms of marijuana.”

White said misinformation was part of the problem. He pointed to the fact marijuana is stronger today than in the 1970s. “Tetrahydrocannabinol, the psychoactive drug in marijuana, has risen from 5 percent to an average of 13 percent as a part of marijuana. In some medical dispensaries in Colorado, it now makes upwards of 30 percent of the drug,” White said.

The impact on children caused both authors’ concern. White said states that have legalized the drug experience a much higher rate of usage: “9.4 percent of children have used marijuana in states that have legalized medical marijuana, whereas the average in non-medical marijuana states is at 6.7 percent.”

In the 18-25 range, which are critical years for brain development, nationally, 18.78 percent of the age group have used in the past month, while in Colorado it stands at 27.26 percent,”


You know, the Pro-legalize it crowd can only push their misinformation and BS propaganda for so long. Until they actually get their way and marijuana use is legalized. Then facts kick in as its increased usage starts to have serious consequences.

The OP says "The problem with pot." Then the post was about percentage of people using, with the assumption that consuming pot is bad. There is one statement, saying that science is on their side, but what is the science?

This is poorly written and thought out. The assumption of this post is consumption of pot is bad. That assumption will be contested by many many people, and they too, have science to back them up.

 

[Moot]

The OP says "The problem with pot." Then the post was about percentage of people using, with the assumption that consuming pot is bad. There is one statement, saying that science is on their side, but what is the science?

This is poorly written and thought out. The assumption of this post is consumption of pot is bad. That assumption will be contested by many many people, and they too, have science to back them up.

Well, the book was written by William Bennett and a federal prosecutor so don't expect any objectivity.

 

[jet57]

The Problem With Pot

There are a growing number of medical marijuana dispensaries across the United States and a majority of Americans who support legalization. But two critics of the drug said the science points to serious problems with pot.

Speaking at a Heritage Foundation event Monday, former drug czar William J. Bennett and federal prosecutor Robert A. White outlined the evidence in their new book, “Going to Pot: Why the Rush to Legalize Marijuana Is Harming America.”

“Almost all evidence is on our side, the side of science and fact,” said Bennett, former director of the Office of National Drug Control Policy under President George H.W. Bush. “The legalization advocates are winning the debate,” added White, a former assistant U.S. attorney for the District of New Jersey. “They are organized and well-funded. And they are winning because the public is not informed of the harms of marijuana.”

White said misinformation was part of the problem. He pointed to the fact marijuana is stronger today than in the 1970s. “Tetrahydrocannabinol, the psychoactive drug in marijuana, has risen from 5 percent to an average of 13 percent as a part of marijuana. In some medical dispensaries in Colorado, it now makes upwards of 30 percent of the drug,” White said.

The impact on children caused both authors’ concern. White said states that have legalized the drug experience a much higher rate of usage: “9.4 percent of children have used marijuana in states that have legalized medical marijuana, whereas the average in non-medical marijuana states is at 6.7 percent.”

In the 18-25 range, which are critical years for brain development, nationally, 18.78 percent of the age group have used in the past month, while in Colorado it stands at 27.26 percent,”


You know, the Pro-legalize it crowd can only push their misinformation and BS propaganda for so long. Until they actually get their way and marijuana use is legalized. Then facts kick in as its increased usage starts to have serious consequences.

Mcdonalds has a bigger impact on public health that weed ever will. Best thing to do with it is just legalize it, let the market determine its parameters and style and then just let go of it. One less hassle in the world.

 

[kjwins]

The Problem With Pot

There are a growing number of medical marijuana dispensaries across the United States and a majority of Americans who support legalization. But two critics of the drug said the science points to serious problems with pot.

Speaking at a Heritage Foundation event Monday, former drug czar William J. Bennett and federal prosecutor Robert A. White outlined the evidence in their new book, “Going to Pot: Why the Rush to Legalize Marijuana Is Harming America.”

“Almost all evidence is on our side, the side of science and fact,” said Bennett, former director of the Office of National Drug Control Policy under President George H.W. Bush. “The legalization advocates are winning the debate,” added White, a former assistant U.S. attorney for the District of New Jersey. “They are organized and well-funded. And they are winning because the public is not informed of the harms of marijuana.”

White said misinformation was part of the problem. He pointed to the fact marijuana is stronger today than in the 1970s. “Tetrahydrocannabinol, the psychoactive drug in marijuana, has risen from 5 percent to an average of 13 percent as a part of marijuana. In some medical dispensaries in Colorado, it now makes upwards of 30 percent of the drug,” White said.

The impact on children caused both authors’ concern. White said states that have legalized the drug experience a much higher rate of usage: “9.4 percent of children have used marijuana in states that have legalized medical marijuana, whereas the average in non-medical marijuana states is at 6.7 percent.”

In the 18-25 range, which are critical years for brain development, nationally, 18.78 percent of the age group have used in the past month, while in Colorado it stands at 27.26 percent,”


You know, the Pro-legalize it crowd can only push their misinformation and BS propaganda for so long. Until they actually get their way and marijuana use is legalized. Then facts kick in as its increased usage starts to have serious consequences.

The Heritage Foundation is a right wing Koch funded think tank. They spew this propaganda for big pharma. The weed is not stronger today. I'm sure none of these people have ever smoked, Maui Wowi, or Acapulco gold, back in the day. Hell back in the 80's the US government was growing the best weed in the country.

Our Declaration of Independence is written on Hemp paper. My Grandpa used to grow it in his garden 1930's.

All this **** is, is big pharma trying to keep selling the US people **** like oxycontin. Which is worse than any weed you can grow.

Don't fall for Reefer Madness.

 

[beefheart]

Raisin' it up.....waxing it down..pluck some floss...

 

[kjwins]

Raisin' it up.....waxing it down..pluck some floss...

get a cup of coffee & give my foot push. yippee i oh ki yay

 

[Linc]

Raisin' it up.....waxing it down..pluck some floss...

Let's just keep giving our PTSD Veterans dangerous PHARMS that enhance their problems--especially with alcohol.
And not try medicinal pot which we know works--and which has many different strains depending on the issue.
If it's okay for Gary Johnson to be a CEO of a medicinal pot corporation, .....

 

[Linc]

Going to bill bennet about marijuana would be like going to cheech and chong about rocket surgery,.

How about Libertarian candidate for President Gary Johnson.
He's now CEO of a medicinal marihuana corporation .

 

[Tsunami]

I don't mind if people want to kill themselves. None of my business.

I do mind if people waste my money trying to stop them, and then keep them in prison for it.

Drugs are bad for you, we get it. That's why I make the personal choice not to use them. It doesn't matter, we don't ban everything that is bad for you in a free society. Drug laws are bad for everyone, except foreign cartels and maybe sniffer dogs. They made out pretty well.

 

[Blue_State]

Another thread about denying rights and growing the government.

It is a damn good thing we have those people in Washington helping us, nay telling us the decisions we should make. Thank the heavens above for their direction and leadership. Only they can save me from my choices.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

How about Libertarian candidate for President Gary Johnson.
He's now CEO of a medicinal marihuana corporation .

I am actually thinking in investing in both recreational and medicinal marijuana in CO. it's huge money.

 

[Blue_State]

I am actually thinking in investing in both recreational and medicinal marijuana in CO. it's huge money.

You drug dealer! You are trying to murder children with pot!

/sarcasm

I think it is a good investment.