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The price of gas depends on ???

For those who work during the day, charging will need to be done at work....
Solar chargers won't charge the car battery at night...
I see an opportunity here for employers to offer covered parking, with charging included....
Protect your car from the sun and recharge it at the same time.

The great majority of US commuters travel less than 40 miles per day, so there would be no need for them to charge while at work..

My plan is to charge from the power grid and night and power the house during the day with solar with our solar panel system...
 
Great, another liberal who wants to raise taxes.

Great another conservative that prefers putting wars on the credit card for future generations to pay.
 
Huh? The propulsion was chemical and electrical was fuel cells using H2 and O2, which also created water for the crew. No nuclear sources that I'm aware of.

NASA was all Cold War. Letting the Russians beat us to orbit, then manned orbit, then lunar orbit was too much. We made manned lunar first because they didn't chase it. Few died from the Cold War but it wasn't like we were at peace, exactly, either.

Since so many of them were secret I doubt we'll ever know.

Of course you are right there , I will admit my mistake but I thought the idea of nuclear energy being someday harnessed was sown after the first atomic test, making Nasa a kinda like a stepping stone towards nuclear energy .

The only time I can remember being really scared during the cold war was the Cuban Missle Chrises that scared me more than being drafted.

We do however know the failures of private organizations using government grants though, at least some of them and that ain't chump change.:peace
 
It can be available and affordable to all with a little more time, we just have to make it happen through political pressure. But I find that it is already being done by some to be extremely encouraging! When the first autos came out, they were expensive and met with general disapproval. :peace

Perhaps my friend but in todays society applying political pressure is like hitting a brick wall with a claw hammer or plugging a dam with chewing gum.

So far every available alternitive fuel to oil has been met with some dispproval from some where.

Hell, the politicians are still debating if it's global warming or climate change or if the incedent in Darfur would be considered a genocide act?
You are actually asking a group of leaders to make a decision on alternitive fuel when they can't decide whether to have a big government or a small government.:peace
 
From "too low to go", how long does it take to get a full charge on a battery powered car?

How long does it take a gallon of oil to get to America from the middle east?:peace
 
The great majority of US commuters travel less than 40 miles per day, so there would be no need for them to charge while at work..

My plan is to charge from the power grid and night and power the house during the day with solar with our solar panel system...

The Nissan Leaf has a range of 100mi, and priced at 32K (less with tax credits). A 220V charger can load it up in 4 hours.

You can also get these roll-up solar cells. I wonder if you couldn't wire them into a trickle-charger on your car. When you're ready to go, just roll them up and toss them in the trunk!
 
How long does it take a gallon of oil to get to America from the middle east?:peace

A long freakin' time.

I wonder if anyone ever figured out how much energy is consumed to:

-Build a Super-tanker
-Cruise the gargantuan ship to Saudi Arabia
-Build the oil pumps
-Run the oil pumps continuously
-Pump the oil from the pumps to the docks
-Pump the oil from the docks into the ship
-Cruise the USN to Somalia and watch out for pirates
-Have the USN constantly on station to watch for pirates
-Pay the ransom for the occasional ship captured anyway
-Cruise, the now very heavy, gargantuan ship to New Orleans
-Pay the cleanup for the occasional oil spill
-Build the refinery
-Refine the oil
-Build a fleet of tanker trucks
-Pump the gasoline into the fleet of tanker trucks
-Drive the fleet of (fuel in-efficient) tanker trucks across the nation to gas stations

As opposed to:

-Build a solar power plant
-Get energy

It makes me wonder how in hell oil is cheaper, and why in hell is there any argument over solar power?
 
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So you're suggesting the government takes a supervisory roll in R&D but farms out the actual work to private labs? At least, that's what I'm getting from all your posts. NASA didn't design or build the Apollo command module, the LEM, or the shuttle - private industry did that under NASA's watchful eye.

Just asking , but is the whatchful eye of the government the same as it was as when Nasa first started?:peace
 
Great, another liberal who wants to raise taxes.

See if this phrase sounds familiar "READ MY LIPS NO NEW TAXES"?

Check the record after that speech was made?:peace
 
A long freakin' time.

I wonder if anyone ever figured out how much energy is consumed to:

-Build a Super-tanker
-Cruise the gargantuan ship to Saudi Arabia
-Build the oil pumps
-Run the oil pumps continuously
-Pump the oil from the pumps to the docks
-Pump the oil from the docks into the ship
-Cruise the USN to Somalia and watch out for pirates
-Have the USN constantly on station to watch for pirates
-Pay the ransom for the occasional ship captured anyway
-Cruise, the now very heavy, gargantuan ship to New Orleans
-Pay the cleanup for the occasional oil spill
-Build the refinery
-Refine the oil
-Build a fleet of tanker trucks
-Pump the gasoline into the fleet of tanker trucks
-Drive the fleet of (fuel in-efficient) tanker trucks across the nation to gas stations

As opposed to:

-Build a solar power plant
-Get energy

It makes me wonder how in hell oil is cheaper, and why in hell is there any argument over solar power?

You get no arguements from me I'm all for solar power for transportation or even hydrogen fuel tanks.

I'm not saying this wouldn't be the best route to take.

However realisticly speaking America is a Capitalist country and in a Capitalist country if there's no profit to be made well there is no room for such a product in America, big business , greedy politicians will overwelm any action such as free energy.
My opinion anyway , don't like it but, after 35 yrs in the factories on the streets I've seen some **** that may have been overlooked but still true, the Tucker legacy a car ahead of it's time and many others.:peace
 
"The US military is the biggest purchaser of oil in the world.'
The US military oil consumption | Energy Bulletin

"The U.S. military is the single-largest purchaser and consumer of oil in the world."
TLC Family "Can You Name the Planet's Biggest Gas Guzzler?"

"Of particular note is the U.S. military, which is the single biggest oil-purchasing entity in the world, at upwards of 150 million barrels yearly. Seventy percent of this is consumed as jet fuel."
Read more: Biggest Users of Fossil Fuels | eHow.com Biggest Users of Fossil Fuels | eHow.com
this does not say that the military uses the most oil, just that it is the single largest purchaser...
no way the military uses more oil than industry, or the combined use of the public....
 
A long freakin' time.

I wonder if anyone ever figured out how much energy is consumed to:

-Build a Super-tanker
-Cruise the gargantuan ship to Saudi Arabia
-Build the oil pumps
-Run the oil pumps continuously
-Pump the oil from the pumps to the docks
-Pump the oil from the docks into the ship
-Cruise the USN to Somalia and watch out for pirates
-Have the USN constantly on station to watch for pirates
-Pay the ransom for the occasional ship captured anyway
-Cruise, the now very heavy, gargantuan ship to New Orleans
-Pay the cleanup for the occasional oil spill
-Build the refinery
-Refine the oil
-Build a fleet of tanker trucks
-Pump the gasoline into the fleet of tanker trucks
-Drive the fleet of (fuel in-efficient) tanker trucks across the nation to gas stations

As opposed to:

-Build a solar power plant
-Get energy

It makes me wonder how in hell oil is cheaper, and why in hell is there any argument over solar power?
until the majority of our cars run on electricity, we need the oil....
 
The Nissan Leaf has a range of 100mi, and priced at 32K (less with tax credits). A 220V charger can load it up in 4 hours.

You can also get these roll-up solar cells. I wonder if you couldn't wire them into a trickle-charger on your car. When you're ready to go, just roll them up and toss them in the trunk!

I think those might charge your cell phone.
 
I think those might charge your cell phone.

Well, maybe your laptop, but certainly not a car. Not even enough to make it worth the effort of deploying them each day. Sad but true.
 
until the majority of our cars run on electricity, we need the oil....

Yup. That's true. And that means we're stuck in the middle-east chasing our tail, until we don't need their double-damned oil anymore. That's why I seriously wish we would get our asses moving and making better and better EVs instead of using lame excuses not to. We need to focus on making EVs even cheaper and longer-ranged to make them usable and attractive to the most people. The Leaf and the Volt are a good start (I want one), but we need even better. As individuals, we need to suck it up a bit too. If people honestly consider themselves Conservative or Green, and Patriotic Americans, they'll buy an EV and help all of us get away from the middle-east fanatics as soon as possible.
 
The Nissan Leaf has a range of 100mi, and priced at 32K (less with tax credits). A 220V charger can load it up in 4 hours.

You can also get these roll-up solar cells. I wonder if you couldn't wire them into a trickle-charger on your car. When you're ready to go, just roll them up and toss them in the trunk!

I don't know if its possible to trickle charging EVs, it may be, but I definitely like the concept!
 
this does not say that the military uses the most oil, just that it is the single largest purchaser...
no way the military uses more oil than industry, or the combined use of the public....

We are talking about single entities. Unless there is a lot of secret partnerships than I am unaware of, industries are not a single entity.
 
Yup. That's true. And that means we're stuck in the middle-east chasing our tail, until we don't need their double-damned oil anymore. That's why I seriously wish we would get our asses moving and making better and better EVs instead of using lame excuses not to. We need to focus on making EVs even cheaper and longer-ranged to make them usable and attractive to the most people. The Leaf and the Volt are a good start (I want one), but we need even better. As individuals, we need to suck it up a bit too. If people honestly consider themselves Conservative or Green, and Patriotic Americans, they'll buy an EV and help all of us get away from the middle-east fanatics as soon as possible.


If we included the cost at the pump of keeping the oil flowing from the middle east, including wars, solar and wind power would already be price competitive with oil. But since we subsidize the cost of middle east oil with national debt, it presents a skewed picture of affordability of alternative energy.
 
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Yup. That's true. And that means we're stuck in the middle-east chasing our tail, until we don't need their double-damned oil anymore. That's why I seriously wish we would get our asses moving and making better and better EVs instead of using lame excuses not to. We need to focus on making EVs even cheaper and longer-ranged to make them usable and attractive to the most people. The Leaf and the Volt are a good start (I want one), but we need even better. As individuals, we need to suck it up a bit too. If people honestly consider themselves Conservative or Green, and Patriotic Americans, they'll buy an EV and help all of us get away from the middle-east fanatics as soon as possible.

For some, there are better alternatives right now than EV's. EV's are great if you use it for short runs. If you have to travel long distances some of the higher MPG cars that are out now might be better. The VOLT does less than steller outside of short runs.
 
For some, there are better alternatives right now than EV's. EV's are great if you use it for short runs. If you have to travel long distances some of the higher MPG cars that are out now might be better. The VOLT does less than steller outside of short runs.

78% of US drivers travel less than 40 miles per day, well below the range of all the EVs.
 
78% of US drivers travel less than 40 miles per day, well below the range of all the EVs.

Perhaps so. Was someone argueing otherwise?
 
If we included the cost at the pump of keeping the oil flowing from the middle east, including wars, solar and wind power would already be price competitive with oil.

Except the only problem with that theory is electricity generation does not compete with oil, unless you live in Iran where electricity is generated by burning oil.
 
A long freakin' time.

I wonder if anyone ever figured out how much energy is consumed to:

-Build a Super-tanker
-Cruise the gargantuan ship to Saudi Arabia
-Build the oil pumps
-Run the oil pumps continuously
-Pump the oil from the pumps to the docks
-Pump the oil from the docks into the ship
-Cruise the USN to Somalia and watch out for pirates
-Have the USN constantly on station to watch for pirates
-Pay the ransom for the occasional ship captured anyway
-Cruise, the now very heavy, gargantuan ship to New Orleans
-Pay the cleanup for the occasional oil spill
-Build the refinery
-Refine the oil
-Build a fleet of tanker trucks
-Pump the gasoline into the fleet of tanker trucks
-Drive the fleet of (fuel in-efficient) tanker trucks across the nation to gas stations

As opposed to:

-Build a solar power plant
-Get energy

It makes me wonder how in hell oil is cheaper, and why in hell is there any argument over solar power?

lol, so according to you building a solar plant is only one step. Somebody opens up "Solar Plant In A Box" and it auto-assembles.

lol.

Where is that internet joke?

Step 1: Open up Solar Plant In A Box

Step 2:

Step 3: Profit
 
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