The price of gas depends on ???

[Catawba]

Ah my friend, I never was one to back down when proven wrong in a debate, or discussion.

You have proven me wrong I turn over my king to you , for indeed I was wrong.
I make no excuses just I was wrong.eace

No, you were not entirely wrong my friend, McCain has flip flopped back and forth much on environmental protection its hard to figure out where he's actually at.

 

[Dittohead not!]

Speaking for myself as an older person, I apologise for leaving the next generation this crap.

I grew up in the 60's I was with the people and College students who wanted change we got it but we didn't keep it.

Didn't get to keep it?

Civil rights are still here. Racism is maybe 1/10 of what it was before the protests and marches of the '60s, and is now something to hide under the rug, and not bring out in full display. We finally did get out of Vietnam. It took a while, but we're still out and Vietnam is peaceful and non Communist.

Each decade since has brought its own challenges, but we should be proud of the accomplishments of the '60s. Society is much different than it was in 1960.

 

[presluc]

Student is a ranking, like sage, based on how many posts you have posted and it's just above user. I grew up in the '50s and remember seeing Eisenhower's Farewell Address on TV, when he gave it.

We're going to have to rely on the next generation, because we live in a generation of idiots. It wasn't that way in the '50s, '60s or '70s. The Modern Conservative Movement has screwed this country up with misinformation. I believe people will eventually come to realize that and turn on them.

My opoligies sir, no disrespect intended.

Your post seems like that of a young College student.

I too watched Ike's speech as well as Kennedy's which is what got me interested in politics in the first place.
"The toarch has been passed" to me it meant time to step up.
Although I agree that the right wing party has done it's damage but the real culprit here is GREED plain ansd simple.

Greed crosses all class lines all color lines and all political lines.
GREED is the main reason when we ask for something new in technology , corporations make a new cell phone.
GREED is the reason why alternitive fuel has remained on the back burner for 35 years
GREED IS WHAT DIVIDES AMERICA
GREED IS WHY AMERICA REMAINS DEPENDANT ON OTHERS FOR THE PROGRESS OF AMERICA.

TO WANT BETTER IS ONE THING, TO WANT ALL IS GREED.eace

 

[presluc]

Each era has it's own set of circumstances; some unique, most not. What has never changed from generation to generation is youthful assertion of knowing more than the preceding generation and the conviction that the current crop of adults somehow screwed things up.

I doubt it will ever change. It's just part of the process.

A lot of young people throughout history from generation to generation did change.
Starting with some young people in a place called 13 colonies in 1776
Until the present day.
Young people coming up through the generations brought more than a few changes to how things were done in America.

I'm sure some said the following statements
England has always ruled the 13 colonies it will never change
America will always have slaves it will never change
Child labor will always be the norm it will never change
Segregation is the norm in America it will never change
NEED I GO ON???eace

 

[presluc]

Why do you people keep saying I'm young and I'm probably older than both of you? You would have to graduate in '67 to come close.

Frankly I wouldn't mind being called young. loleace

 

[presluc]

No, you were not entirely wrong my friend, McCain has flip flopped back and forth much on environmental protection its hard to figure out where he's actually at.

Well on that point , you get no debate from this poster. loleace

 

[presluc]

Didn't get to keep it?

Civil rights are still here. Racism is maybe 1/10 of what it was before the protests and marches of the '60s, and is now something to hide under the rug, and not bring out in full display. We finally did get out of Vietnam. It took a while, but we're still out and Vietnam is peaceful and non Communist.

Each decade since has brought its own challenges, but we should be proud of the accomplishments of the '60s. Society is much different than it was in 1960.

Ahthough the 60's brought a lot of changes.

Changes started befor that, back before the 60's child labor laws were hard fought as was womens rights as well as employees rights, the Coal miners strike because the mines were unsafe.
Windfall taxes were introduced to keep competition between corporations strong
McCarthism communist blacklisting were proven unfair
These changes happened because actors and people got tired of being pushed they started to push back.eace

 

[GreenvilleGrows]

Long chain - did anyone already cover the value of the dollar? For example, in regard to a world commodity, when the US dollar is weak (compared to what it was and compared to other currency) the price of gas goes up substantially in the US.

 

[1Perry]

Simply stating a claim is not proving a claim. You have provided no evidence to back up that claim. It's like saying that because my house has a mile of pipes, it must be inefficient. I should just have one faucet in the house where all of my water goes to so that I will have less pipe. It's an absurd argument because it doesn't make any claims about the efficiency of the set-up.

I'm perfect happy with my explaination that adding layers of costs that do not add value is inefficient. It's pretty basic economics. I showed where it would put another manufacturer out of business if not for the fact that oil has no (of much account) competition.

Lots of things are all marketed the same way. This is not the definition of a monopoly.

By the way, there are lots of "exemptions." OPEC sells us less than half of our foreign oil.

Sure, and the rest is still sold the same way. Even the oil we produce is sold this way.

 

[1Perry]

Guess what? Different things are called different, because they're different.

Show me another time in history when you can look back on Think Tanks spending over 55 years to blow smoke up people's behinds! Show me another time in history where information was so easily available and so much misinformation was circulated!

People will eventually figure it out and they're not going to be very happy with those, who have conned them.

It wasn't conservatives that had to change what they call themselves.

 

[1Perry]

Right, what's the point of preparing for a crisis before it arrives???

I've stated over and over that I support further development of alternative energies.

 

[1Perry]

Long chain - did anyone already cover the value of the dollar? For example, in regard to a world commodity, when the US dollar is weak (compared to what it was and compared to other currency) the price of gas goes up substantially in the US.

Indeed. The government is also doing nearly everything they can do to make sure the dollar is weak. It's too bad for them that other countries have a huge head start on them there.

 

[haymarket]

It wasn't conservatives that had to change what they call themselves.

Yup - you righties are much better at demonizing the opposition that we are.

 

[1Perry]

Yup - you righties are much better at demonizing the opposition that we are.

What I replied to was an attempt to do just that. I'm not sure how valid an arguement that both sides attempt something but only one side has had it make a difference is.

 

[phattonez]

I'm perfect happy with my explaination that adding layers of costs that do not add value is inefficient. It's pretty basic economics. I showed where it would put another manufacturer out of business if not for the fact that oil has no (of much account) competition.

You didn't show that. In fact, my contention about the toaster maker not caring where it gets sold was uncontested. In fact, making an appeal to division of labor, the toaster maker selling to a distributor is in fact probably a more efficient solution!

Sure, and the rest is still sold the same way. Even the oil we produce is sold this way.

That is not a monopoly!

 

[1Perry]

You didn't show that. In fact, my contention about the toaster maker not caring where it gets sold was uncontested.

It was and you did not address it. It is too bad that you would rather discuss things like this as opposed to actually addressing what has been said.

 

[phattonez]

It was and you did not address it. It is too bad that you would rather discuss things like this as opposed to actually addressing what has been said.

Then why did you cut off the first part of my quote in my last post and not respond to it?

 

[Dittohead not!]

Ahthough the 60's brought a lot of changes.

Changes started befor that, back before the 60's child labor laws were hard fought as was womens rights as well as employees rights, the Coal miners strike because the mines were unsafe.
Windfall taxes were introduced to keep competition between corporations strong
McCarthism communist blacklisting were proven unfair
These changes happened because actors and people got tired of being pushed they started to push back.eace

Yes, we did, and a darned good thing, too. McCarthyism. I'd forgotten about that abuse of liberty. Good riddance.

 

[1Perry]

Then why did you cut off the first part of my quote in my last post and not respond to it?

Because if you are going to accuse me of not responding to you even though I clearly did, there is no use in further discussion.

 

[phattonez]

Because if you are going to accuse me of not responding to you even though I clearly did, there is no use in further discussion.

You didn't adequately respond to the criticism as you seem to think you have. Besides, I presented you with a different argument now. I'm imploring you not to let pride get in the way. Pride has no place in an academic discussion.

 

[1Perry]

You didn't adequately respond to the criticism as you seem to think you have.

Then address what I said and why I was wrong. Don't tell me I didn't address it.

Besides, I presented you with a different argument now. I'm imploring you not to let pride get in the way. Pride has no place in an academic discussion.

Sorry, we haven't addressed the first one yet. Or rather, you haven't.

 

[Gary]

Originally Posted by presluc
Ahthough the 60's brought a lot of changes.

Changes started befor that, back before the 60's child labor laws were hard fought as was womens rights as well as employees rights, the Coal miners strike because the mines were unsafe.
Windfall taxes were introduced to keep competition between corporations strong
McCarthism communist blacklisting were proven unfair
These changes happened because actors and people got tired of being pushed they started to push back.

Yes, we did, and a darned good thing, too. McCarthyism. I'd forgotten about that abuse of liberty. Good riddance.

McCarthy got his in '54.

 

[phattonez]

Then address what I said and why I was wrong. Don't tell me I didn't address it.



Sorry, we haven't addressed the first one yet. Or rather, you haven't.

I told you what was wrong with it. The toaster maker doesn't care who he sells to, and the distributor is better at marketing than the toaster maker is.

 

[1Perry]

I told you what was wrong with it. The toaster maker doesn't care who he sells to, and the distributor is better at marketing than the toaster maker is.

And I noted where you were wrong and explained that maker A is perfectly capable of selling his toaster directly to Wal-Mart and even in this situation there is only one extra hand involved, not 7-8.

Toaster maker A makes a toaster and sells to Wal-Mart. Toaster maker B makes a toaster, sells it to a distributor who then sells it to Wal-Mart. Never mind that Wal-Mark isn't even going to bother buying toaster maker B's toaster because of the middle mans cost.

Add 6 more hands and where is toaster maker B?

 

[Catawba]

Long chain - did anyone already cover the value of the dollar? For example, in regard to a world commodity, when the US dollar is weak (compared to what it was and compared to other currency) the price of gas goes up substantially in the US.

That does not appear to be a big factor at this time as inflation is at historic lows.