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The People v. Donald J. Trump The criminal case against him is already in the works

Moderate Right said:
LOL. You guys have been at it for four years now. In four years all you've got is Trump might have done this, could have done that, wants to do this.
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Trump has had a lot of help from the corrupt republican Senate.
 
CaughtInThe said:
no, too much leeway for Hillary. not enough for Trump.
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Leeway for Trump? Meh.
His big mouth gets himself into trouble, and that's his own doing, for at least some parts.
The media citing anonymous sources for what is essentially fabrications designed to generate sensational fauxrage, which the media are more than joyously trumpeting, that is not so much Trump's own fault.

So it's a bit of a grab bag.
 
I'll believe it when I see it.

Until then, political opportunism giftwrapped in attention grabbing.
 
eohrnberger said:
Ahh. Sig. Ok.
Demonstration of the biased media we are cursed with. Gotten even worse since then.

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It shows up in your sig in all your posts, so I'm wondering if you put it there? IF not, then who?
 
element94 said:
It is the corrupt republicans who have abused their power for political reasons.
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Maybe we're getting somewhere here. Can we agree that both Republicans and Democrats abuse their power for political reasons?
 
Mycroft said:
It doesn't matter. This will never go to trial. Making these Trumped up charges stick isn't the goal.
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He’s going to be held accountable for the 100’s of 1000’s of American dead. There will be a commission of some sort. He and his entire admin will be held accountable. And it will probably lead to trial(s).
 
Moderate Right said:
Maybe we're getting somewhere here. Can we agree that both Republicans and Democrats abuse their power for political reasons?
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There's only one thing they love more than abusing power, and that is power itself.
But you have to admit that power is transitory. One minute you're on top of the world then suddenly BANG!
 
CaughtInThe said:
☝ voted for our most famous crook and con man.
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Not sure what you're saying. I didn't vote for Trump in 2016 if that is what you implying. There is much evidence from my posts here on DP back in those times which prove I did not vote for Trump. But, people like you are making sure that I do get out to vote for Trump in 2020. Thanks for opening my eyes.
 
element94 said:
There's only one thing they love more than abusing power, and that is power itself.
But you have to admit that power is transitory. One minute you're on top of the world then suddenly BANG!
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Yes, Democrats lost over 1000 seats to Republicans during the Obama years, even as they claimed in 2016 that the Republican party was dead, never to be seen again.
 
Moderate Right said:
Yes, Democrats lost over 1000 seats to Republicans during the Obama years, even as they claimed in 2016 that the Republican party was dead, never to be seen again.
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Good for a one party system, terrible for democracy. What's dead is compromise and bipartisanship.
 
element94 said:
Good for a one party system, terrible for democracy. What's dead is compromise and bipartisanship.
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Yes. Compromise now means the other side coming over and doing things your way. And, compromise is nothing but a poker game anymore. For example, if you are wiling to "compromise" on a 2 trillion dollar stimulus package then you ask for 3 trillion dollars so you can compromise on 2 trillion and claim you are compromising. On the other side, if you are willing to "compromise" on a 1.3 trillion stimulus package then you try passing a bill for much less than that and then compromise on 1.3 and claim you are compromising. In other words, there is no compromising and when you party wins the vote 50.1% to 49.9% you claim a mandate to shove your values down the 100%.
 
Moderate Right said:
Maybe we're getting somewhere here. Can we agree that both Republicans and Democrats abuse their power for political reasons?
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I realize that, as you are faced with the mindboggling abuses of power committed by Trump, you seek solace and comfort
in the belief that 'both sides' did it. Yes, and no. Yes, foreign policy wise, but domestically? Not like Trump.......

Not one president prior to Trump has abused his power more than Trump has.

Unlike Trump, no president has done the following like Trump has.....

1. Called the press 'the enemy of the people"
2. Undermined the election process, accused the opposition of rigging the election.
3 Shook down foreign governments for political gain
4. Siphoned taxpayer funds from entourage stays in hotels into his family's pockets
5. Demagogued immigrants. Prior presidents promoted the idea America's strength is derived from immigration.
6. Appointed strictly lobbyists to cabinet posts who lobbied in industries the cabinet post regulated.
7. Understaffed the government, especially the state department, as much as Trump has

The vast majority indictments and convictions of presidential administrations are in republican administrations, and this is a matter of historical record and an be verified.

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I can agree to the above. I agree to the notion that both parties seem to like the Patriot Act, which has led to domestic abuses by both sides, illuminated by Snowden, which no libertarian or liberal democracy loving person should uphold. so I'll accept that argument for 'both sides'.

Where I can agree 'both parties' are in foreign policy abuses of power, spying on citizens, etc, but overall, Trump wins, hands down, for OVERT abuses of power.
 
Razoo said:
SEPT. 14, 2020


The People v. Donald J. Trump The criminal case against him is already in the works — and it could go to trial sooner than you think.



Through appeals, Trump has managed to drag out the battle over his tax returns. The case has gone all the way to the Supreme Court, back down to the district court, and back up to the appeals court. But Trump has lost at every stage, and it appears that his appeals could be exhausted this fall. Once Vance gets the tax returns, Eisen estimates, he could be ready to indict Trump as early as the second quarter of 2021.


Sheil, for one, believes Vance may already have Trump’s financial records. It’s routine procedure, he notes, for criminal tax investigators working with the Manhattan DA to obtain personal and business tax returns that are material to their inquiry. But issuing a subpoena to Trump’s accountants may have been a way to signal to them that they could face criminal charges themselves unless they cooperate in the investigation.


Once indicted, Trump would be arraigned at New York Criminal Court, a towering Art Deco building at 100 Centre Street. Since a former president with a Secret Service detail can hardly slip away unnoticed, he would likely not be required to post bail or forfeit his passport while awaiting trial. His legal team, of course, would do everything it could to draw out the proceedings. Filing appeals has always been just another day at the office for Trump, who, by some estimates, has faced more than 4,000 lawsuits during the course of his career.

But this time, his legal liability would extend to numerous other state and local jurisdictions, which will also be building cases against him. “There’s like 1,037 other things where, if anybody put what he did under a microscope, they would probably find an enormous amount of financial improprieties,” says Scott Shapiro, director of the Center for Law and Philosophy at Yale University.

Even accounting for legal delays, many experts predict that Trump would go to trial in Manhattan by 2023. The proceedings would take place at the New York State Supreme Court Building. Assuming that the judge was prepared for an endless barrage of motions and objections from Trump’s defense team, the trial might move quite quickly — no longer than a few months, according to some legal observers.

And given the convictions that have been handed down against many of Trump’s top advisers, there’s reason to believe that even pro-Trump jurors can be persuaded to convict him. “The evidence was overwhelming,” concluded one MAGA supporter who served on the jury that convicted Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign chairman. “I did not want [him] to be guilty. But he was, and no one is above the law.”

Trump’s conviction would seal the greatest downfall in American politics since Richard Nixon.

Unlike his associates who were sentenced to prison on federal charges, Trump would not be eligible for a presidential pardon or commutation, even from himself. And while his lawyers would file every appeal they can think of, none of it would spare Trump the indignity of imprisonment.

Unlike the federal court system, which often allows prisoners to remain free during the appeals process, state courts tend to waste no time in carrying out punishment.

After someone is sentenced in New York City, their next stop is Rikers Island. Once there, as Trump awaited transfer to a state prison, the man who’d treated the presidency like a piggy bank would receive yet another handout at the public expense: a toothbrush and toothpaste, bedding, a towel, and a green plastic cup.
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So let's be honest. Trump has been audited numerous times. The Internal Revenue has looked at his tax returns and often in the past 12-15 years. This is not too unusual since the majority of audits are levied against millionaires. To this date they haven't found any problems. The Manhattan DA is pursuing a political agenda.
 
Moderate Right said:
Yes. Compromise now means the other side coming over and doing things your way. And, compromise is nothing but a poker game anymore. For example, if you are wiling to "compromise" on a 2 trillion dollar stimulus package then you ask for 3 trillion dollars so you can compromise on 2 trillion and claim you are compromising. On the other side, if you are willing to "compromise" on a 1.3 trillion stimulus package then you try passing a bill for much less than that and then compromise on 1.3 and claim you are compromising. In other words, there is no compromising and when you party wins the vote 50.1% to 49.9% you claim a mandate to shove your values down the 100%.
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Yes, we don't see much compromise, we see wild accusations and "non starter" claims. Non starter is a favorite of democrats Pelosi/Schumer.
 
Integrityrespec said:
Yes, we don't see much compromise, we see wild accusations and "non starter" claims. Non starter is a favorite of democrats Pelosi/Schumer.
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Indeed. How many times has this loop already repeated now? 20? 30 times?
 
clear out a cell or two trump will rat out many to save his own butt
 
SEPT. 14, 2020


The People v. Donald J. Trump The criminal case against him is already in the works — and it could go to trial sooner than you think.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/donald-trump-criminal-case.html

Through appeals, Trump has managed to drag out the battle over his tax returns. The case has gone all the way to the Supreme Court, back down to the district court, and back up to the appeals court. But Trump has lost at every stage, and it appears that his appeals could be exhausted this fall. Once Vance gets the tax returns, Eisen estimates, he could be ready to indict Trump as early as the second quarter of 2021.


Sheil, for one, believes Vance may already have Trump’s financial records. It’s routine procedure, he notes, for criminal tax investigators working with the Manhattan DA to obtain personal and business tax returns that are material to their inquiry. But issuing a subpoena to Trump’s accountants may have been a way to signal to them that they could face criminal charges themselves unless they cooperate in the investigation.


Once indicted, Trump would be arraigned at New York Criminal Court, a towering Art Deco building at 100 Centre Street. Since a former president with a Secret Service detail can hardly slip away unnoticed, he would likely not be required to post bail or forfeit his passport while awaiting trial. His legal team, of course, would do everything it could to draw out the proceedings. Filing appeals has always been just another day at the office for Trump, who, by some estimates, has faced more than 4,000 lawsuits during the course of his career.

But this time, his legal liability would extend to numerous other state and local jurisdictions, which will also be building cases against him. “There’s like 1,037 other things where, if anybody put what he did under a microscope, they would probably find an enormous amount of financial improprieties,” says Scott Shapiro, director of the Center for Law and Philosophy at Yale University.

Even accounting for legal delays, many experts predict that Trump would go to trial in Manhattan by 2023. The proceedings would take place at the New York State Supreme Court Building. Assuming that the judge was prepared for an endless barrage of motions and objections from Trump’s defense team, the trial might move quite quickly — no longer than a few months, according to some legal observers.

And given the convictions that have been handed down against many of Trump’s top advisers, there’s reason to believe that even pro-Trump jurors can be persuaded to convict him. “The evidence was overwhelming,” concluded one MAGA supporter who served on the jury that convicted Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign chairman. “I did not want [him] to be guilty. But he was, and no one is above the law.”

Trump’s conviction would seal the greatest downfall in American politics since Richard Nixon.

Unlike his associates who were sentenced to prison on federal charges, Trump would not be eligible for a presidential pardon or commutation, even from himself. And while his lawyers would file every appeal they can think of, none of it would spare Trump the indignity of imprisonment.

Unlike the federal court system, which often allows prisoners to remain free during the appeals process, state courts tend to waste no time in carrying out punishment.

After someone is sentenced in New York City, their next stop is Rikers Island. Once there, as Trump awaited transfer to a state prison, the man who’d treated the presidency like a piggy bank would receive yet another handout at the public expense: a toothbrush and toothpaste, bedding, a towel, and a green plastic cup.
 
Integrityrespec said:
So let's be honest. Trump has been audited numerous times. The Internal Revenue has looked at his tax returns and often in the past 12-15 years. This is not too unusual since the majority of audits are levied against millionaires. To this date they haven't found any problems. The Manhattan DA is pursuing a political agenda.
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Problems? Do you even do a modicum of research before you hit the post button?

How many years did audits of Bernie Madoff's taxes fail to reveal his ponzi schemes?

A financial crimes investigation and a tax audit are focused on different things. A tax audit is just checking to see if there were accounting problems where money owed to the US Treasury was not paid. Financial crimes look into bank fraud, money laundering, shell games, offshore accounts, conspiracies with family members, associates, partners, it's a broader more comprehensive look into his finances, organizational structure, etc. They are not the same.

The NYTimes Pulitzer Prize winning article, the results of 18 months of sleuthing, " Trump Engaged in Suspect Tax Schemes as He Reaped Riches From His Father" was largely based on documents and receipts provided by Mary Trump, which she had been collecting and saving for years, which will also aid in Cyrus Vance's investigation.

Either the facts support a criminal charge, or they don't. If there is, then Trump gets charged with a crime, if there isn't he doesn't. It won't matter if he is a libertarian, democrat, or republican. There is enough factual evidence in the article to give probable cause for an investigation. Other contributing factors which are consistent with probable cause, the forced closing of Trump's Foundation, which was a paper foundation, no offices, no staff, only donations which Trump embezzled for personal use. His years of quick flip condos to Russian Oligarchs, signal classic money laundering schemes, so was he aware of the Russian's money laundering, did he participate in the scheme, was he party to it? His sales and leases with drug overlords in his Panama hotel, These are questions which beg to be asked and investigated which a tax audit might not reveal.

Moreover, let's take a closer look at Mazars, his CPA tax firm that does his books:

www.propublica.org

Meet the Shadowy Accountants Who Do Trump’s Taxes and Help Him Seem Richer Than He Is

The Supreme Court fight over Donald Trump’s tax returns has pushed his accounting firm into the limelight. In various episodes over 30 years, partners — including the CEO — have run into trouble for fraud, misconduct or malpractice.
www.propublica.org www.propublica.org
" One theme has been consistent: partners and sometimes the firm itself have faced accusations of fraud, misconduct and malpractice on multiple occasions, an investigation by ProPublica and WNYC has found. "

There definitely is probable cause for a criminal financial crimes investigation. A criminal probe will investigate a broader picture, involve other partners, family members and associates that a tax audit might not look at.

Again, your logic is faulty.

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armycowboy said:
Trump was a NY liberal. Until he became a politician and started duping the rubes.
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For years, Trump donated to both republicans and democrats. Trump is actually a-political, he has no core beliefs of any kind. During his years with Celebrity Apprentice, since he was continually currying favor with celebs, and they tend to be democrats, he was a democrat. When he decided to run for the presidency, he understood that being a billionaire is an easier sell to a republican than to a democrat, so now he is a republican.
 
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