Vermonters Exercise Their Nuclear Option -- In These Times
How is it possible that the Nuke power companies and Nuclear Regulator agencies could cause citizens to be stuck with a metaphorical radioactive time bomb. Is this more sock puppets and Corporatism? Is this struggle an example of the citizens loss of power in this Nation. Perhaps we are a Corporatocracy?
Yeah, because we know that getting power from coal and oil is SO MUCH better...
The article compares Vermont Yankee to Chernobyl and Fukushima #1. Chernobyl was a very different plant in the USSR while Fukushima #1 (and #2 BTW) were affected by a natural event that will NEVER occur in Vermont unless we have a 2012-style tsunami...
So we should trust those engineers. Fukushima was designed to the max and did not include design consideration of this "never happen" event. Murphy's Law. The event at Fukushima was natural, but the nuke plant was not. It is a blatant advertisement of "design failure."
QUOTE"Now, even considering the kind of event that would happen once in ONE THOUSAND YEARS or more, what threat is faced in Vermont that would cause the same problems as faced at Fukushima #1. And, given that, how does that compare to the CONTINUOUS reality of emissions from oil and coal powered electrical plants on a 24/7/365 basis?" End QUOTE
I have never supported oil, coal, natural gas, nor Megawatt windmills. I don't now. Alternatives and renewables are the answer. It is the Centralized Distribution Network that is the fly in the ointment. This worked wonderfully until we realized the future costs. It is past time for change. Power must be made in-house. Eliminate the multiplying inefficiencies of the Centralized Distribution Network that is the reason we have nukes in the first place. It is actually Centralized Collection of Monies and the raison d'etra. In-home solar. In-home windmill. In-home electric generator with collection of waste heat. Installation makes jobs. Repair makes jobs. Energy and dollar savings are likely spent in the local marketplace, making more jobs. We exported our manufacturing base so we have to restart somewhere. What better place than to make jobs by actually solving problems. You sock puppet is being paid by the Corporate hand to not do this. So what would we change?
DaveFagan, that article is pretty bad.
First of all, it makes no distinction between types of reactor. This is absolutely key. Chernobyl had no containment systems. Fukushima used an active cooling system. Both are mistakes and have been corrected in newer designs. Furthermore, there are newer designs being tested that cannot meltdown even with complete loss of cooling.
Second, reprocessing like France would eliminate much of the storage problem. furthermore, a theoretical modification to thorium reactors currently under discussion at I believe MIT would produce energy from nuclear waste in such an efficient manner that only something like 10% of the waste would remain.
Just because ONE type of nuclear reactor had a real problem does not mean nuclear as a whole should be rejected.
Quote"The Daichi Fukushima power plants exceeded its design specifications in that it was able to withstand a 8.0M when it was designed to withstand much lower earthquakes.:End Quote
So you admit it was a design failure. Me too. Another failure of the human element. Hubris, arrogance, pride, and profit. As for the politicians, I didn't vote for him last time. It seems that persons who think independently are not allowed to run. Is there an alternative? Wait it out? Revolution? Vote????? What Corporation are you voting for? Where are the vestiges of the Rockefeller empire and are they still functional? My candidate only has a billion dollars, ergo he has no power? Who got de power? TEPCO got de power and dey just stuck some up your nose!
Oh yeh! and nuclear fusion is just six months away, and if, maybe, woulda, coulda, and the moon is made of green cheese.
I repeat myself. " It is the Centralized Distribution Network that is the fly in the ointment. This worked wonderfully until we realized the future costs. It is past time for change. Power must be made in-house. Eliminate the multiplying inefficiencies of the Centralized Distribution Network that is the reason we have nukes in the first place.
It is actually Centralized Collection of Monies and the raison d'etra. In-home solar. In-home windmill. In-home electric generator with collection of waste heat. Installation makes jobs. Repair makes jobs. Energy and dollar savings are likely spent in the local marketplace, making more jobs.
We exported our manufacturing base so we have to restart somewhere. What better place than to make jobs by actually solving problems. You sock puppet is being paid by the Corporate hand to not do this. So what would we change?"
Interesting and your objections seem to be worthy and that being said, what would you do for a alternative energy source, any idea's? We hear complaints and condemnation of those who attempt to supply us with energy, yet those who do the complaining have no viable alternative plan.Quote"The Daichi Fukushima power plants exceeded its design specifications in that it was able to withstand a 8.0M when it was designed to withstand much lower earthquakes.:End Quote
So you admit it was a design failure. Me too. Another failure of the human element. Hubris, arrogance, pride, and profit. As for the politicians, I didn't vote for him last time. It seems that persons who think independently are not allowed to run. Is there an alternative? Wait it out? Revolution? Vote????? What Corporation are you voting for? Where are the vestiges of the Rockefeller empire and are they still functional? My candidate only has a billion dollars, ergo he has no power? Who got de power? TEPCO got de power and dey just stuck some up your nose!
Interesting and your objections seem to be worthy and that being said, what would you do for a alternative energy source, any idea's? We hear complaints and condemnation of those who attempt to supply us with energy, yet those who do the complaining have no viable alternative plan.
...because anarchy definetly isn't the answer nor is big government and it's welfare cases both private and corporate.
Corporate welfare in exchange for monies, well this is corruption and this being the case the people have the power to throw them out, except the government offers the voters free stuff in exchange for remaining in office, I am wit you on this . Now for getting off the grid is admiral endeavor but currently not achievable by most citizens, it to expensive currently in the short term. It takes a lot of energy to make these products from soup to nuts, and I see what your referring to is the finish product. On the scale we would need to get off the grid will take a lot more than any mandates can achieve and in our current situation, this will be put on hold for a very long time. Oil, gas, coal and nuclear is all we have currently and will be required at a reasonable p[rice to be able to achieve some alternate fuel,and of course a change in the mindset of the American people......100 years this will take or more. the American people are reactionary and not proactive, never have been and probably never will be."It is actually Centralized Collection of Monies and the raison d'etra. In-home solar. In-home windmill. In-home electric generator with collection of waste heat. Installation makes jobs. Repair makes jobs. Energy and dollar savings are likely spent in the local marketplace, making more jobs."
In home is the solution. It cuts Centralized Distribution out of the loop. Now do you know why there is so much big money, organized opposition to independent energy, alternative energy and renewable energy. Money talks. Corporate is the name on the hand up your Legislative (Senator or Representative) sock puppet's ass. Spell that Entergy, Nuke Power, Exxon/Mobil, Chevron, BP, Duke Energy, just to name a few. Study your Congressman's campaign donation list. And hot damn, mon, it's not a bribe. Nosiree. Definitely not. But if it looks like chit, smells like chit, and feels like chit, might be de same ol' chit.
So we should trust those engineers. Fukushima was designed to the max and did not include design consideration of this "never happen" event. Murphy's Law. The event at Fukushima was natural, but the nuke plant was not. It is a blatant advertisement of "design failure."
Corporate welfare in exchange for monies, well this is corruption and this being the case the people have the power to throw them out, except the government offers the voters free stuff in exchange for remaining in office, I am wit you on this . Now for getting off the grid is admiral endeavor but currently not achievable by most citizens, it to expensive currently in the short term. It takes a lot of energy to make these products from soup to nuts, and I see what your referring to is the finish product. On the scale we would need to get off the grid will take a lot more than any mandates can achieve and in our current situation, this will be put on hold for a very long time. Oil, gas, coal and nuclear is all we have currently and will be required at a reasonable p[rice to be able to achieve some alternate fuel,and of course a change in the mindset of the American people......100 years this will take or more. the American people are reactionary and not proactive, never have been and probably never will be.
The average coal plant spits more radioactive material into the atmosphere than a nuclear plant generates in its entirety, and that's when things are going well.
QUOTE"Now, even considering the kind of event that would happen once in ONE THOUSAND YEARS or more, what threat is faced in Vermont that would cause the same problems as faced at Fukushima #1. And, given that, how does that compare to the CONTINUOUS reality of emissions from oil and coal powered electrical plants on a 24/7/365 basis?" End QUOTE
I have never supported oil, coal, natural gas, nor Megawatt windmills. I don't now. Alternatives and renewables are the answer. It is the Centralized Distribution Network that is the fly in the ointment. This worked wonderfully until we realized the future costs. It is past time for change. Power must be made in-house. Eliminate the multiplying inefficiencies of the Centralized Distribution Network that is the reason we have nukes in the first place. It is actually Centralized Collection of Monies and the raison d'etra. In-home solar. In-home windmill. In-home electric generator with collection of waste heat. Installation makes jobs. Repair makes jobs. Energy and dollar savings are likely spent in the local marketplace, making more jobs. We exported our manufacturing base so we have to restart somewhere. What better place than to make jobs by actually solving problems. You sock puppet is being paid by the Corporate hand to not do this. So what would we change?
It is not too expensive to get off the grid. It just requires a National effort. The biggest supporter of the grid is governments. Take a look at any utility bill and add up the taxes in the bill. This is free money to governments and if you shut down the grid, the governments no longer get their "vig" as an alternative power group calls it. The gov'ts are addicted to these revenues like mainline heroin and that is the resistance to change, "inertia" that prevents our movement to alternative energy. If you use a gasoline engine generator with an exhaust heat exchanger to make hot water for heating as well as potable uses, energy use is about 1/8th of what is used on the current grid. The existing distribution network is a case of multiplying inefficiencies generating huge amounts of waste heat and that is its major flaw. Solar panels, 3-400 watt windmills, an gasoline electric generator (likely less than 2 horsepower), and batteries (preferably rebuildable), and inverters. These must be in homes insulated like walk-in coolers and have heat exchangers to periodically deal with stale air. 1 watt LED light bulbs. Make your own wind generators with wooden props and DC motors. Does that sound complicated? It is the reality. Make note that the government doesn't collect any tax revenue as you produce your own power. Add up what the gov't would lose and you know why gov't really doesn't get behind this movement. This is just a quick overview but the Alternative Energy people don't own any sock puppets. The big Energy people own lots of sock puppets.
Interesting statement... can we have a cite, or will "Deuce says so" be sufficient?
Have you seen pictures of "decentralized" grids? Visual pollution is an ugly thing..
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