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THE PANIC OVER TRANS SPORTS INCLUSION

It's always amusing when those who have never taken a single university science course in their life talk about science.

When we dig up bones of ancient hominids, how do we know which ones were trannies?
 
Gardener said:
It's always amusing when those who have never taken a single university science course in their life talk about science.

When we dig up bones of ancient hominids, how do we know which ones were trannies?
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What is your point?
You seem to be opposed to learning under the assumption that you already know it all.
 
Gardener said:
It's always amusing when those who have never taken a single university science course in their life talk about science.

When we dig up bones of ancient hominids, how do we know which ones were trannies?
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Well it depends. There could be some trace of extra hormone that doesn't fit the sex of the skeleton and skeletons are different based on sex because one sex has to push the race out from between the tips and the other one doesn't so you'll notice that in the bone structure even if they're never given birth.

So if any kind of chemical trace of estrogen and say a male skeleton exists that would be in the quantities that would make it supplemental you could probably make the claim that that person was transgendered or suffered from some sort of endocrine problem
 
Spock said:
What is your point?
You seem to be opposed to learning under the assumption that you already know it all.
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I am not opposed to learning. I am opposed to those have never taken any science classes pretending that THEY are the ones who know it all.
 
Spock said:
The discussion is literally about athletics.
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Yes. But I said athletic performance, which is wholly unaffected by a person's gender identity. The same is not true of a person's sex.
 
Gardener said:
I am not opposed to learning. I am opposed to those have never taken any science classes pretending that THEY are the ones who know it all.
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What is your contribution to this discussion?
 
Taylor said:
Yes. But I said athletic performance, which is wholly unaffected by a person's gender identity. The same is not true of a person's sex.
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Athletic performance is probably influenced by whatever judgment society makes and by a persons view of themselves, but that is somewhat tangential.
Genetics likely contribute to performance, as do age, conditioning, instincts, training, coordination, mental outlook, and other factors. What exactly is your point?
 
CLAX1911 said:
They are men.
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I can purchase into the argument that they are male.

Gender is a being defined in our society as a social construct. Language needs to evolve to be able to discuss this new view. It seems the current trend is to use man/woman in terms of that social construct and male/female to describe biology/genetic sex.

Women, ALL women, should be legally dealt with as women on social issues.

Where there are genetic differences that cause issues, like matters of fairness in competition, all females should be able to compete against those not different than themselves in the presence of biological differences that give non-females an advantage due to their being male.

This would of course depend on the competition as not all sport involves competing where these male traits lend dominance. However certainly sports involving strength and endurance would seem to require at least a good looking at.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Well it depends. There could be some trace of extra hormone that doesn't fit the sex of the skeleton and skeletons are different based on sex because one sex has to push the race out from between the tips and the other one doesn't so you'll notice that in the bone structure even if they're never given birth.

So if any kind of chemical trace of estrogen and say a male skeleton exists that would be in the quantities that would make it supplemental you could probably make the claim that that person was transgendered or suffered from some sort of endocrine problem
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If there is a chemical trace, I would certainly support the science involved.

As it is, actual biological science runs quite contrary to those expressing their fundamentalist woke dogma.
 
ModernDiogenes said:
I can purchase into the argument that they are male.

Gender is a being defined in our society as a social construct. Language needs to evolve to be able to discuss this new view. It seems the current trend is to use man/woman in terms of that social construct and male/female to describe biology/genetic sex.
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Gender like many words has multiple meanings. It can be a synonym for sex, it can refer to a sex role or a social role based on sex or if can refer to language La pelota, El Gato in Spanish are gendered common nouns other languages have this too
ModernDiogenes said:
Women, ALL women, should be legally dealt with as women on social issues.
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Are you referring to strictly females?
ModernDiogenes said:
Where there are genetic differences that cause issues, like matters of fairness in competition, all females should be able to compete against those not different than themselves in the presence of biological differences that give non-females an advantage due to their being male.
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Agreed
ModernDiogenes said:
This would of course depend on the competition as not all sport involves competing where these male traits lend dominance. However certainly sports involving strength and endurance would seem to require at least a good looking at.
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Also agree
 
Spock said:
Athletic performance is probably influenced by whatever judgment society makes and by a persons view of themselves, but that is somewhat tangential.
Genetics likely contribute to performance, as do age, conditioning, instincts, training, coordination, mental outlook, and other factors. What exactly is your point?
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Either it makes sense to segregate sports by sex, or it doesn't. Do you think we should do away with women's sports?
 
Gardener said:
I am not opposed to learning. I am opposed to those have never taken any science classes pretending that THEY are the ones who know it all.
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You seem to be implying you know it all.
Share with the group your insight.
(warning: I probably have more university education than you do in the biological sciences.)
 
Taylor said:
Either it makes sense to segregate sports by sex, or it doesn't. Do you think we should do away with women's sports?
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Lets examine this statement:

Either it makes sense to segregate sports by sex, or it doesn't. This is a false dichotomy. In fact, there are many sports where male and female can, or could compete with each other.

Do you think we should do away with women's sports?
This discussion is not about doing away with wormen's sports. It is not even about allowing all men to compete in specific and various traditional separate women-only sports.

The discussion is about whether certain rare individuals with non-standard gender perceptions under medical treatment can be allowed to participate in certain sports that are traditionally segregated by anatomic sexual characteristics.
 
Spock said:
You seem to be implying you know it all.
Share with the group your insight.
(warning: I probably have more university education than you do in the biological sciences.)
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I have never implied that I know it all.

Transgenderism has skyrocketed in recent years and so if it is biological, the only possible explanation would be hormones in our food supply.

The more likely explanation, though, (the Occam's Razor one) is that the actual change is the result of the woke movement as overzealous teachers encourage little children to question their gender and then reward them with extra attention when they do.
 
Gardener said:
I have never implied that I know it all.
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of course you have.
Gardener said:
Transgenderism has skyrocketed in recent years and so if it is biological, the only possible explanation would be hormones in our food supply.
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Transgender perceptions have been around for hundreds of years. You may recall that homosexuality was, at one point, a condition rarely mentioned and considered rare for that reason. Your perception that it has "skyrocketed" is mere that it has become a more public issue perceived more commonly as a normal variant of human sexuality.

I suggest you do not make scientific claims without at least a passing knowledge of the scientific process. You may find RFK, jr to be a kindred spirit if you are considering a presidential candidate.
Gardener said:
The more likely explanation, though, (the Occam's Razor one) is that the actual change is the result of the woke movement as overzealous teachers encourage little children to question their gender and then reward them with extra attention when they do.
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Truly pernicious and toxic thinking!!

Most teachers have been educated to recognize normal sexual interest and behaviors, unlike the general public. However, an uninformed segment of the general public has become very anti-intellectual and concerned that primary and secondary school teachers are "brainwashing" students by promoting recognition of diversity, eschewing xenophobia, displaying tolerance, being skeptical of bigotry and educating students about America's history of discrimination.

Are you implying that sexual orientation can be "taught"? If so, explain to us how you were taught whatever you perceive your gender to be.

Probably Trump will be your favored candidate.
 
Spock said:
of course you have.

Transgender perceptions have been around for hundreds of years. You may recall that homosexuality was, at one point, a condition rarely mentioned and considered rare for that reason. Your perception that it has "skyrocketed" is mere that it has become a more public issue perceived more commonly as a normal variant of human sexuality.

I suggest you do not make scientific claims without at least a passing knowledge of the scientific process. You may find RFK, jr to be a kindred spirit if you are considering a presidential candidate.

Truly pernicious and toxic thinking!!

Most teachers have been educated to recognize normal sexual interest and behaviors, unlike the general public. However, an uninformed segment of the general public has become very anti-intellectual and concerned that primary and secondary school teachers are "brainwashing" students by promoting recognition of diversity, eschewing xenophobia, displaying tolerance, being skeptical of bigotry and educating students about America's history of discrimination.

Are you implying that sexual orientation can be "taught"? If so, explain to us how you were taught whatever you perceive your gender to be.

Probably Trump will be your favored candidate.
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Ooh -- common sense is now "pernicious and toxic"!

I have a science degree, but whatever posturing you need to engage in to make yourself feel better is just fine my me.
 
Gardener said:
Ooh -- common sense is now "pernicious and toxic"!

I have a science degree, but whatever posturing you need to engage in to make yourself feel better is just fine my me.
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Any true scientist is capable of distinguishing popular memes and urban myths from real scientific thought. Whatever "science degree" you have has been insufficient, apparently, for you to learn about the scientific process. But, that is for another discussion.
 
Gardener said:
Ooh -- common sense is now "pernicious and toxic"!

I have a science degree, but whatever posturing you need to engage in to make yourself feel better is just fine my me.
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Look up what Einstein said about "common sense"...
 
instagramsci said:
It's always been more about removing trans people from public life and consciousness than it was about women's sports
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You think chicks with dicks should be competing against actual women?
 
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