The one thing the Right cannot even think about today's marches

[Glen Contrarian]

If you want the "statistics" you cited to have any credibility, you'll have to do better than getting them from the Gifford's Foundation

For anyone interested in our REAL homicide rate, the streets are not awash in blood & the sky is not falling.

There are currently more firearms in America than ever before...

But...

Homicides are at a 51 year low.

Additionally, homicides plummeted by 49% AFTER the Clinton Era Assault weapons ban expired.

Therefore, those scary firearms are not the problem


"FBI: US Homicide Rate at 51-Year Low"
https://mises.org/wire/fbi-us-homicide-rate-51-year-low
Public Unaware that Homicide Rates Have Fallen
EXCERPT "As Pew has reported in recent years, in fact, the American public is "unaware" that the homicide rate in the United States has fallen by 49 percent over the past twenty years. And while Pew doesn't report on it, it's also a safe bet that the public is also unaware that homicide rates have collapsed as total gun ownership in the United States has increased significantly."CONTINUED

Remember, the Gun Ban crowd cares nothing about our overall homicide rate.

Their goal is to ban guns.....ALL guns:



- "Waiting periods are only a step. Registration is only a step. The prohibition of privately owned firearms is the goal." - Janet Reno. Good morning America Dec 10, 1993.


- "WATCH: Gun Control Activist Gives Perfect Reason Not To Give Into Their Demands"
https://www.dailywire.com/news/2865...lywire.com&utm_term=68804&utm_content=2209149
EXCERPT "When they give us that inch, that bump stock ban, we will take a mile."CONTINUED

You just demonstrated the single most common conservative problem: the marked tendency to ignore any information that comes from a source that is not approved by right-wing media. What you should be doing instead is to look at the information presented FIRST (without regard to who published that information) and then determine for yourself if that information is accurate. That's what I do...which is why when someone presents Breitbart or RedState or Daily Caller or whatever as a reference, I do NOT assume that source is wrong. I check to see for myself whether the claims are accurate. The only source I reject out-of-hand is InfoWars.

But what you did above was see who published the data and immediately assumed it was wrong. But that's what the Right has been doing since the early 1990's: assuming that if a liberal says something, that something MUST be wrong, no matter what. As a result, when we take a position, y'all automatically take the opposite position without regard to whether we liberals are right about that position. In other words, y'all are effectively choosing to be wrong just so you don't have to agree with liberals.

 

[Glen Contrarian]

Geez, so many straw men, so little time!
No, children can't see around corners.
Yes, the Left is counting on exactly that.
Yes, children are very impressionable.
Yes, the Left is counting on that.
11 kids die every day because their not-yet-fully-formed-brains can't tell them they are not invincible and they text and drive. We've all been kids and anyone with a drop of intellectual honesty knows that kids do stupid ****.
Because THEY'RE KIDS.

Knowing right from wrong is different than making the right choices. Spare me the b.s. about anyone not caring about kids being shot in school and spare me the b.s. that the reason why 17 people died in Parkland was the NRA.

In other words, it must be your position then that kids under the age of 18 should never be charged as adults for felony crimes because THEY'RE KIDS.

Got it.

 

[Acadia]

In other words, it must be your position then that kids under the age of 18 should never be charged as adults for felony crimes because THEY'RE KIDS.

Got it.

No, Glen, there is no "in other words". There are my words and there's you twisting them and repurposing them to frame your argument.

Get your own material.

 

[Moderate Right]

Nope nra members are the child killers. Get your hyperbole right

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Well, what we know for absolute 100% certainty is that liberals are for killing babies.

 

[Irwin Corey]

Well, what we know for absolute 100% certainty is that liberals are for killing babies.

?WE? do????

What "I" know is evangelical conservatives are for the right to life ... right up until the baby is born; after that ... mother and child can eat $hit and die.

 

[Moderate Right]

I am gonna go out on a limb here and say that the protesters and organizers have some expectation of accomplishing some specific legislative results. Demonstrations from women's sufferage to civil rights to anti-war had legislative objectives (and achieved some) but were nevertheless attacked for similar reasons.

They are hot bags of wind who get more pleasure out of opening their big mouths instead of actually achieving anything that will help the problem. The left have always been like that. Remember Occupy Wallstreet? What did that achieve? Remember the Million Woman March on DC? What did they achieve? If the left really want something to happen to make schools safer then they need to quit opening their big mouths and work together with the other side to actually achieve something instead of just giving lip service to it. Remember how the right ran for years on getting rid of Obamacare? Did they get rid of it? And you naively think these protests will actually accomplish something? Just as Andrew Pollack realizes, we need to make schools safer, not wasted our time talking about gun control when it won't get anywhere. The left, just like the right with getting rid of Obamacare, has grandiose objectives that are not achievable.

 

[Glen Contrarian]

No, Glen, there is no "in other words". There are my words and there's you twisting them and repurposing them to frame your argument.

Get your own material.

I'm only pointing out to you what YOUR words - if taken to their logical conclusion - would require. You don't have to like it.

 

[Moderate Right]

The NRA represents 5 million Americans, that 1 1/2 percent of AmeriCANS, now that, that is becoming common knowledge it means the NRA doesn't get to control ALL gun debate any longer. There are far more AmeriCANs that don't agree with the NRA than do, I believe that will become clear this November.

You guys have been saying that for years and yet just in 2016 you got burned because voters voted for Trump because of an open seat on the Supreme Court and the second amendment and because they feared Hillary would take their guns away. The problem with the left is they think just because their mouths are bigger that they will attain their objectives. No matter how big your mouth is you only get one vote. The left not only have to get through a 60 vote majority in the Senate but they have to get through a conservative leaning Supreme Court. Good luck with that.

 

[Irwin Corey]

They are hot bags of wind ... The left, just like the right with getting rid of Obamacare, has grandiose objectives that are not achievable.

Were ... WERE not achievable. The tide has turned the NRA no longer controls the debate on gun violence.

 

[Moderate Right]

Did the FBI and local law enforcement drop the ball in Florida? Sure. But that is the EXCEPTION to the rule, because with the overwhelming majority of such instances, the first indication that any law enforcement gets of a possible danger is when the shooting starts. Law enforcement had no heads-up with Sandy Hook, or with Columbine, or with other mass shootings like the one in Las Vegas earlier this year.

What you're suggesting might help with the exceptions to the rule...but would do absolutely nothing when it came to the great majority of mass shootings.

That is not the exception to the rule at all. In fact, we have had a number of arrests since around the Florida shooting where we arrested obviously dangerous people BEFORE they committed mass murder. We wouldn't even be here discussing any of this if the FBI or Florida had taken Cruz off the streets BEFORE he committed the acts. And, this goes far beyond mass shootings. There are single killings of people (women in particular) all over the country every day, committed by obviously dangerous people who shouldn't be running around loose. I mean we get a guy who has been arrested for domestic violence several times, proclaims he is going to kill the woman, everyone knows he is going to try killing the woman, and what do we do? We slap a worthless restraining order on the guy and then he violates it and kills her. How many of these people have to die before we wake up? And the left's stupid opinion on the subject is to let these people run around loose and try to keep guns out of their hands, at the expense of law abiding citizen's second amendment rights.

 

[Irwin Corey]

You guys have been saying that for years and yet just in 2016 you got burned because voters voted for Trump because of an open seat on the Supreme Court and the second amendment and because they feared Hillary would take their guns away.

Trump won because he was the beneficiary of years and years of a anti-Hillary campaign to render her in-electable. And yet she lost by the thinnest of margins that can be attributed to voter apathy.

No matter how big your mouth is you only get one vote.

Remember that sword swings both ways.

The left not only have to get through a 60 vote majority in the Senate but they have to get through a conservative leaning Supreme Court.

Lets see how that holds up after November.

Good luck with that.

Thanks!

 

[Irwin Corey]

T the left's stupid opinion on the subject is to let these people run around loose and try to keep guns out of their hands, at the expense of law abiding citizen's second amendment rights.

You're creating your own story, I don't know ANY Liberal that wants to take all guns. I do know the NRA has killed ALL research on gun violence. The NRA has killed ALL legislation to put stricter controls on who can purchase a gun. The NRA has killed all legislation to limit what kind of weapons can be bought and by whom. It's the NRA's "STUPID" opinion that no gun policy is the only viable gun policy.

AmeriCANs have woken up to the fact that letting the NRA control gun policy and debate is NOT working.

 

[Moderate Right]

?WE? do????

What "I" know is evangelical conservatives are for the right to life ... right up until the baby is born; after that ... mother and child can eat $hit and die.

And the left's solution is to just kill the babies first. Great plan.

 

[Moderate Right]

Were ... WERE not achievable. The tide has turned the NRA no longer controls the debate on gun violence.

The NRA no longer controls how big the mouths of the left are. Everything else is the same. Your side is delusional that they are more important than they really are. You've been thinking that for eight years now while you have lost over 1000 seats to Republicans. One reason you lost the 2016 election was that you believed that the Republican party was dead and would never be heard from again. You haven't learned a damn thing because the left's strategy is always to do the same thing over and over again, expecting different results next time.

 

[Moderate Right]

Trump won because he was the beneficiary of years and years of a anti-Hillary campaign to render her in-electable. And yet she lost by the thinnest of margins that can be attributed to voter apathy.




Remember that sword swings both ways.



Lets see how that holds up after November.



Thanks!

Hillary provided the right with clips and clips of bullets to shoot at her.

 

[Irwin Corey]

And the left's solution is to just kill the babies first. Great plan.

Well that's just a lie. The Left's solution is education, counseling and compassion and not having our sisters, daughters, mothers and friends left with no recourse but a dirty back room and coat hanger.

 

[Irwin Corey]

Hillary provided the right with clips and clips of bullets to shoot at her.

She was a MOST vulnerable candidate, that lost by the slimmest of margins in spite of years of slander, lies and misinformation was thrown at her.

 

[Irwin Corey]

The NRA no longer controls how big the mouths of the left are. Everything else is the same. Your side is delusional that they are more important than they really are. You've been thinking that for eight years now while you have lost over 1000 seats to Republicans. One reason you lost the 2016 election was that you believed that the Republican party was dead and would never be heard from again. You haven't learned a damn thing because the left's strategy is always to do the same thing over and over again, expecting different results next time.

Lets see how it plays out in November.

 

[Moderate Right]

You're creating your own story, I don't know ANY Liberal that wants to take all guns. I do know the NRA has killed ALL research on gun violence. The NRA has killed ALL legislation to put stricter controls on who can purchase a gun. The NRA has killed all legislation to limit what kind of weapons can be bought and by whom. It's the NRA's "STUPID" opinion that no gun policy is the only viable gun policy.

AmeriCANs have woken up to the fact that letting the NRA control gun policy and debate is NOT working.

Every single time there is a shooting the left tries to politicize it and talk about taking people's guns away and every time they fail. Andrew Pollack wants achievable goals instead of lip service that gets nowhere. Why do you want to continue seeing children get killed in school mass shootings because you reach too high and wind up with nothing? Are your ideals more important than actually achieving something?

 

[Irwin Corey]

Every single time there is a shooting the left tries to politicize it and talk about taking people's guns away and every time they fail.

It's the NRA that has politicized the gun debate. After Sandy Hook President Obama called for very sensible legislation and was denied because of the NRA lobby.

Andrew Pollack wants achievable goals instead of lip service that gets nowhere. Why do you want to continue seeing children get killed in school mass shootings because you reach too high and wind up with nothing?

Why does the NRA resist research on gun violence and ALL legislation to deal with it?

Are your ideals more important than actually achieving something?

You never know what can be achieved until you try.

 

[Lursa]

Please list the mass stabbings.

China has had a couple...and there were one or two in Europe but I'll admit I dont remember enough to find those.

 

[Lursa]

Yeah, 'cause teenagers can't think for themselves, huh? They can't tell right from wrong, huh? And you DO realize that Parkland is far from the first school shooting, don't you? With the vast majority of school shootings, law enforcement had little or no warning that there was any problem beforehand with the shooter(s).

BTW, since you seem to feel that teenagers can't know right from wrong, I take it that you're opposed to ANY teenager (under the age of 18) being charged as an adult for felony crimes? 'Cause if you think that we should indeed be able to charge fifteen-to-seventeen year-olds as adults for felony crimes, that means that you DO believe they know right from wrong...and that they were fully aware of what they were doing when protesting against the we-care-more-about-guns-than-kids NRA.

There are apparently...from this forum alone and from the media...plenty of adults that dont know alot about firearms, laws, and reality...so then why should these kids that are scared and outraged?

They deserve to be outraged...they were TOTALLY failed in the FL shooting. In the local authorities AND the FBI that already dropped the ball on the shooter, and then the school security guard AND the 4 cops, all that didnt go into the school to help them.

And yet...they are protesting primarily (this weekend) about guns. :doh

How ****ed up is that?

 

[Lursa]

What I posted was: "Since Columbine alone, more than 150,000 minors have been shot in the United States. Additionally, 150,000 students in at least 170 elementary, middle, and high school have experienced school shootings."

I know that this may challenge your reading ability, but the first 150K refers to ALL minors who have been shot - which number includes all who were either wounded or killed...and statistically speaking, the number of wounded almost always far outstrips the number of those killed. For instance, look at the Las Vegas shooting - there were 48 victims killed, but over 500 wounded.

Next time, instead of only trying to determine what's wrong with what the other guy says, strive to determine BOTH what is right AND what is wrong...because if you don't try to objectively determine both sides of the story, how can you possibly be accurate in your judgement?

And I gave you the breakdown on the numbers for those actually shot (and killed): 8333/year. And that's bull****, as I also posted. Since overall gun deaths are about 30,000/yr or less. And half to 2/3 of those are suicides.

So your 150,000 killed or even injured is way out of line.

 

[Moderate Right]

Well that's just a lie. The Left's solution is education, counseling and compassion and not having our sisters, daughters, mothers and friends left with no recourse but a dirty back room and coat hanger.

Then why does the left constantly promote abortion? If you are sincere about what you say then let's get rid of abortion and use just education and counseling, etc to deter unwanted births, instead of a clean sterile environment in which to perform Hitler type atrocities?

 

[Moderate Right]

She was a MOST vulnerable candidate, that lost by the slimmest of margins in spite of years of slander, lies and misinformation was thrown at her.

She was vulnerable because there were no slander, lies and misinformation. It was all true. The left never denies what was in the emails Wikileaks hacked, they just didn't want people to know what was in the emails because they could be used against her. It's Hillary's fault there were truths in what was hacked. It wasn't Russia's fault she had bad stuff that could be exposed.