The number of men enrolled in college this year trails women by record highs, part of a nationwide education gap. Nobody wants to talk about it.

[CaughtInThe]

A Generation of American Men Give Up on College: ‘I Just Feel Lost’

The number of men enrolled at two- and four-year colleges has fallen behind women by record levels, in a widening education gap across the U.S.

www.wsj.com

Women make up almost 60% of college students.


"In the next few years, two women will earn a college degree for every man."

 

[Antiwar]

I don't wanna talk about it.

 

[RealityChecker]

Colleges have grown increasingly hostile to men. Hell they have courses on "Toxic Masculinity" and have been systematically discriminating against better qualified male would be professors since the 1970s. And male students are assumed guilty of "rape" and punished without due process. People often avoid places where they are treated like second class citizens or worse.

 

[Loulit01]

Colleges have grown increasingly hostile to men. Hell they have courses on "Toxic Masculinity" and have been systematically discriminating against better qualified male would be professors since the 1970s. And male students are assumed guilty of "rape" and punished without due process. People often avoid places where they are treated like second class citizens or worse.

You need a reality check.

 

[justabubba]

Colleges have grown increasingly hostile to men. Hell they have courses on "Toxic Masculinity" and have been systematically discriminating against better qualified male would be professors since the 1970s. And male students are assumed guilty of "rape" and punished without due process. People often avoid places where they are treated like second class citizens or worse.

those poor, poor victims of male privilege

 

[Lursa]

Colleges have grown increasingly hostile to men. Hell they have courses on "Toxic Masculinity" and have been systematically discriminating against better qualified male would be professors since the 1970s. And male students are assumed guilty of "rape" and punished without due process. People often avoid places where they are treated like second class citizens or worse.

So? THere are plenty of colleges and plenty of courses that deal directly with degrees.

Courses like you described are not 'requisites.' And if you want to support the rest (which just make men seem like weak victims)...feel free.

It seems you have presented an excuse, not an argument. What do you think is the behind that excuse for men?

 

[Lursa]

those poor, poor victims of male privilege

As if men are willing to give up their dreams, their plans, their financial futures, their drive to become engineers, biologists, doctors, architects, teachers, etc etc etc...because..."girls."

 

[Port & Starboard]

As if men are willing to give up their dreams, their plans, their financial futures, their drive to become engineers, biologists, doctors, architects, teachers, etc etc etc...because..."girls."

It's not just that......

The doctrine of "you need a four year degree to make a decent living" doesn't fly in reality.

Apprenticeships and trade schools are less expensive, less time consuming, and most trade courses have night classes so the student can still work a day job.

Successful grads can walk right into decent paying jobs and still attend community college at night to further their education if they choose.



I'm not knocking colleges at all, and the wife and I worked our asses off to send our daughter to Radford University for four years. My son choose a different route in the trades and now runs his own business.

It's not always about the politics & grievances that college kids seem to create for themselves.

 

[Lursa]

It's not just that......

The doctrine of "you need a four year degree to make a decent living" doesn't fly in reality.

Couldnt agree with you more and that has zero to do with what I posted.

 

[Port & Starboard]

Couldnt agree with you more and that has zero to do with what I posted.

The bottom line did.

 

[Lursa]

The bottom line did.

What bottom line? Quote it.

 

[Callen]

I think it has a lot to do with going into the trades. They pay very well and are in great demand plus you don't need to assume large debts. There really isn't a comparable sector that would attract women in large numbers. There was a gentleman on TV last Sunday talking about this very thing and he was very concerned with the fact that increasing numbers of young men are not choosing secondary school options but are going directly into the workforce in low-paying jobs. If that is true he said that could be very dangerous. We see what happens to countries that have large numbers of uneducated, unemployed young men. His other observation was about the impact of selecting a life partner. Whether true or not he said well educated men don't put a priority on looking for a similarly educated mate but that women generally put greater priority on finding a mate who is similarly educated. He mused that it could portend more and more women choosing not to marry. I don't know if I agree with his thinking but it was thought provoking.

 

[nota bene]

I think it has a lot to do with going into the trades. They pay very well and are in great demand plus you don't need to assume large debts. There really isn't a comparable sector that would attract women in large numbers. There was a gentleman on TV last Sunday talking about this very thing and he was very concerned with the fact that increasing numbers of young men are not choosing secondary school options but are going directly into the workforce in low-paying jobs. If that is true he said that could be very dangerous. We see what happens to countries that have large numbers of uneducated, unemployed young men. His other observation was about the impact of selecting a life partner. Whether true or not he said well educated men don't put a priority on looking for a similarly educated mate but that women generally put greater priority on finding a mate who is similarly educated. He mused that it could portend more and more women choosing not to marry. I don't know if I agree with his thinking but it was thought provoking.

I've posted many times over the DP years about the emergence of a two-year Associate of Applied Science as a marvelous opportunity for those drawn to hands-on careers, e.g. EMS, dental hygiene, radiology technology, network administration, fire science, law enforcement, and so on.

In my own longtime "ivory tower" observation, there are far too many students who are unprepared by their high school educations for academic rigor and who are enrolled, as once was I, for the wrong reasons. Too many have no interest whatsoever in learning for the sake of learning; they're enrolled because it's the "next step" in their parents' expectations or because a degree=money. A four-year institution should NOT be a glorified trade school, in my opinion.

One idea I wish the U.S. would embrace is a "gap year" between high school and college.

 

[Phys251]

I've posted many times over the DP years about the emergence of a two-year Associate of Applied Science as a marvelous opportunity for those drawn to hands-on careers, e.g. EMS, dental hygiene, radiology technology, network administration, fire science, law enforcement, and so on.

In my own longtime "ivory tower" observation, there are far too many students who are unprepared by their high school educations for academic rigor and who are enrolled, as once was I, for the wrong reasons. Too many have no interest whatsoever in learning for the sake of learning; they're enrolled because it's the "next step" in their parents' expectations or because a degree=money. A four-year institution should NOT be a glorified trade school, in my opinion.

One idea I wish the U.S. would embrace is a "gap year" between high school and college.

I actually agree with you for once!

We put way too much expectation on our young people to figure out their future plans. In an era where many of them are saddled with 5- and 6-digit debts on their way into modest-paying jobs, that's way too much to ask of them.

I think that, especially for young people who have no idea what they want to do in life, having to work a year can do wonders for them. It probably won't be the magic bullet that gets them to figure it out, but it sure could make them more grateful for their higher education instead of seeing it as just the next step. Higher ed is a treasure, and we take it way too lightly.

 

[psikeyhackr]

My first full time job after taking a break from college after two years was with Panasonic fixing audio equipment. Nothing I learned in two years of electrical engineering was of any use. All I needed was what I taught myself in high school.

We should have had a K-12 National Recommend Reading List for decades. Schools dribble out information too slowly and force you to get grades in stuff you don't want to know. I refused to read Catcher in the Rye.

Teach Yourself Electricity and Electronics by Stan Gibilisco

I wish someone could have told me about a book like that when I was in 7th grade.

 

[Cynical]

A Generation of American Men Give Up on College: ‘I Just Feel Lost’

The number of men enrolled at two- and four-year colleges has fallen behind women by record levels, in a widening education gap across the U.S.

www.wsj.com

Women make up almost 60% of college students.


"In the next few years, two women will earn a college degree for every man."

That's because it's almost exclusively men that go into good paying careers like plumbers, electricians, Welders, mechanics, etc. Trade schools are less expensive and don't take nearly as much time. It's also almost exclusively men who start landscaping businesses, roofing businesses, private contracting businesses, etc.

 

[Lursa]

That's because it's almost exclusively men that go into good paying careers like plumbers, electricians, Welders, mechanics, etc. Trade schools are less expensive and don't take nearly as much time. It's also almost exclusively men who start landscaping businesses, roofing businesses, private contracting businesses, etc.

All good trades, all good jobs.

 

[Cynical]

I actually agree with you for once!

We put way too much expectation on our young people to figure out their future plans. In an era where many of them are saddled with 5- and 6-digit debts on their way into modest-paying jobs, that's way too much to ask of them.

I think that, especially for young people who have no idea what they want to do in life, having to work a year can do wonders for them. It probably won't be the magic bullet that gets them to figure it out, but it sure could make them more grateful for their higher education instead of seeing it as just the next step. Higher ed is a treasure, and we take it way too lightly.

That's because public high schools and the education establishment are failing them. High schools do little to nothing to expose students to the many different careers that are out there. Kids graduate high school with a complete ignorance of the types of jobs that people do.

 

[CaughtInThe]

That's because public high schools and the education establishment are failing them. High schools do little to nothing to expose students to the many different careers that are out there. Kids graduate high school with a complete ignorance of the types of jobs that people do.

evidently the female students are doing fine though.

 

[Cynical]

evidently the female students are doing fine though.

My post was more of general comment not specifically directed at males or females. The fact is high schools do little to nothing with regards to exposing students to the various types of career paths. Personally I strongly believe that should be a definitive part of high school.

 

[Lursa]

My post was more of general comment not specifically directed at males or females.

But he did make a point tho...relating to the OP. It does seem to be serving females much better. Why?

The fact is high schools do little to nothing with regards to exposing students to the various types of career paths. Personally I strongly believe that should be a definitive part of high school.

I agree.

 

[noonereal]

The number of men enrolled in college this year trails women by record highs​

Trumpism.

Another of the awful consequences of Trumpism.

 

[RealityChecker]

Courses like you described are not 'requisites.' And if you want to support the rest (which just make men seem like weak victims)...feel free.

It seems you have presented an excuse, not an argument. What do you think is the behind that excuse for men?

So the reality that colleges have grown increasingly hostile to men has nothing to do with the declining enrolment of men?

Do colleges have courses on "Toxic Femininity"? What is the educational value of courses on "Toxic Masculinity"? Affirmative Action has been systematically discriminating against better qualified male would be professors since the 1970s. The result is a lot of old tenured white male professors with a growing number of younger minority women professors in many majors. A lot of those teaching are not tenure track and see the older mostly white tenured men as privileged. In many ways they are but these increasingly minority women faculty tend to see their white male students as privileged too, The result is they displace their hostility toward the tenured older white male faculty toward the young white male students.

One way this hostility gets manifested at colleges is male students (especially white ones) are assumed guilty of "rape" and punished without due process. So there is a growing systemic hostility and discrimination toward white men on campuses. All people tend to be turned off by "communities" that treat them like second class citizens or worse. I think if you want to understand why most of the decline in especially white male students on college campuses you might want to consider that many are increasingly being subjected to systemic hostility and discrimination.

And Lursa seems a tad too eager to blame her own apparent and hostility and discrimination against men as perhaps some kind of "social justice". Whatever you call the growing hostility toward men and especially white men on college campuses it is hard to imagine it is not a contributing factor to why the % of white men is declining on most college campuses. Food For Thought

 

[RealityChecker]

Trumpism.

Another of the awful consequences of Trumpism.

The problem with blaming Trump is this trend was in effect sense the 1970s and has nothing to do with Trump. No doubt Trump in many ways was a privileged white male. But your hostility towards him hardly justifies the growing systemic discrimination and hostility toward young white men seen on college campuses that is likely one of the main reason their numbers are declining on most college campuses. That appears to be reality.

 

[Lursa]

So the reality that colleges have grown increasingly hostile to men has nothing to do with the declining enrolment of men?

Do colleges have courses on "Toxic Femininity"? What is the educational value of courses on "Toxic Masculinity"? Affirmative Action has been systematically discriminating against better qualified male would be professors since the 1970s. The result is a lot of old tenured white male professors with a growing number of younger minority women professors in many majors. A lot of those teaching are not tenure track and see the older mostly white tenured men as privileged. In many ways they are but these increasingly minority women faculty tend to see their white male students as privileged too, The result is they displace their hostility toward the tenured older white male faculty toward the young white male students.

One way this hostility gets manifested at colleges is male students (especially white ones) are assumed guilty of "rape" and punished without due process. So there is a growing systemic hostility and discrimination toward white men on campuses. All people tend to be turned off by "communities" that treat them like second class citizens or worse. I think if you want to understand why most of the decline in especially white male students on college campuses you might want to consider that many are increasingly being subjected to systemic hostility and discrimination.

And Lursa seems a tad too eager to blame her own apparent and hostility and discrimination against men as perhaps some kind of "social justice". Whatever you call the growing hostility toward men and especially white men on college campuses it is hard to imagine it is not a contributing factor to why the % of white men is declining on most college campuses. Food For Thought

Ah! Men are victims! That's what you are writing. All of history is basically men being toxic to women. And to each other. Women have been treated like 2nd class citizens for most of history. And it's not payback, it's just you feeling this: "after a lifetime of privilege, equality feels like oppression." You are just projecting all those negative emotions that you are feeling. I'm not.

Your sob story doesnt work IMO. And look at you inventing crap about me, none of which I've displayed in this thread until this post...dont mistake my dismissal of YOUR post for an opinion of all men. If men choose to reject higher education...that's their problem...lol you are using feelings of victimization as the reason. That's pathetic, who respects that? It's ok tho, I already wrote that there are plenty of good trades out there. But dont forget...those are your opinions, not mine, I give men more credit.

Cry moar.