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Normally the NSA and it's supporters freak out over any registration of guns with the government. They say it can be used to target gun owners by an unscrupulous government. It could be used to seize guns. It can be used to make criminals, terrorists, or to easily get warrants to search their property for no real criminal cause.
Normally the NSA and it's supporters freak out over any registration of guns with the government. They say it can be used to target gun owners by an unscrupulous government. It could be used to seize guns. It can be used to make criminals, terrorists, or to easily get warrants to search their property for no real criminal cause.
Now we find out the NSA is storing information in a huge database that contains things like search histories and contact information. How hard do they need to search that database to find people who regularly browse gun sites and get a FISA court to declare them terrorists or national security threats? How far do they need to go to search through contacts to find you talked to or communicated with notorious gun sellers? If you buy equipment for your gun online how far do they need to find out you did that? For that matter how far do they need to go to find out you admitted to your new gun purchase in some forum somewhere?
It begs the question of why the NRA and the pro-gun people are not freaking out about this information being at the fingertips of the gun grabbers to use against you at any moment they chose? Being many of the people around here probably browse any number of gun information sites, how much further do they need to go to find out you are a gun fan? Why worry about registration when they can easily get information about your browsing history, contacts, credit card purchases, periodical subscriptions, and make a case for a FISA court warrant for your arrest as a terrorist and the seizure of your weapons? If you think you are a threat to their power do you actually think they will overlook you?
Who is it that you think can be honestly described as “the NSA and it's supporters” who have historically been opposed to “any registration of guns with the government”? It seems to me that you are here describing two completely different groups that are unlikely to have any significant overlap.
WOW! Why are sane U.S. citzens not freaking out about any other paranoid fantasy? Can you show us any such example of a FISA court warrant based on your "gun fan" concerns?
Who is it that you think can be honestly described as “the NSA and it's supporters” who have historically been opposed to “any registration of guns with the government”? It seems to me that you are here describing two completely different groups that are unlikely to have any significant overlap.
So you are telling me that they cannot actually do this? Despite the reality that they have all this data being collected by a warrants on the entire US issued by the FISA court, and that that information would be searchable to find out who has visited NRA sites, gun purchasing sites, called gun retailers, used their credit cards to purchase guns, signed anti-gun control petitions, visited tea party/libertarian/republican sites you are just going to trust their secret court to do the right thing when we know they have not, and you are one of the people who feel you are legitimately worried the fed is going to come after your guns?
I guess my question to you is if the federal government is so trustworthy, then why not have gun registration for all firearms? You are just making a search they can already make a little bit easier, and this way we could keep track of felons and people with diagnosed psychosis from having guns. If the government having information on who owns guns and supports gun ownership is bad, then why give it to them in a form where they do not need to get a legitimate warrant to come after you? Do you now trust Obama to not use FISA to declare you a terrorist or security threat through a court whos oversite is the NSA?
Come on, i have heard a lot more insane ideas about the threat of government on gun owners here in the past, and now all of a sudden you are trusting? Shouldn't i be the one telling you that you have nothing to worry about with the government taking your guns?
Yea,but here is the deal.The question I have is why are not ALL citizens not outraged that the NSA is routinely violating our 4th Amendment rights?
Snowden is not the traitor here, the unconstitutional NSA and everyone involved with it's is.
Yea,but here is the deal.
I can call my brother, if I had one, anything I want from a useless bastard to a whiney little bitch. And its ok, he is my brother.
YOU cannot call him those things with out me stepping in and sticking up for him.
We all can cry and whine about the US and the path its taken and taking. But if you are not American, stfu.
what?
Snowden went around and above what is normal for a person to do.
You call him less than a traitor, he is a traitor. He is spilling his guts as many US secrets as he can to whomever he can in some fantasy whislteblower crusade.
We can have these problems and we can solve them, but for him to go out and speak "out of school"? Is wrong, its treasonous, and he only did it to embarass the US.
He could have resigned, hired a PR agency, called his state reps, testified before congress and been hailed a hero before writing a book and making a movie and becoming a millionaire.I'm not buying the MSM propaganda. The government has to make him out to be a traitor to keep the public from asking questions. The embarrassment for America is that an unconstitutional farce like the NSA exists in the first place.
Normally the NSA and it's supporters freak out over any registration of guns with the government. They say it can be used to target gun owners by aon unscrupulous government. It could be used to seize guns. It can be used to make criminals, terrorists, or to easily get warrants to search their property for no real criminal cause.
Now we find out the NSA is storing information in a huge database that contains things like search histories and contact information. How hard do they need to search that database to find people who regularly browse gun sites and get a FISA court to declare them terrorists or national security threats? How far do they need to go to search through contacts to find you talked to or communicated with notorious gun sellers? If you buy equipment for your gun online how far do they need to find out you did that? For that matter how far do they need to go to find out you admitted to your new gun purchase in some forum somewhere?
It begs the question of why the NRA and the pro-gun people are not freaking out about this information being at the fingertips of the gun grabbers to use against you at any moment they chose? Being many of the people around here probably browse any number of gun information sites, how much further do they need to go to find out you are a gun fan? Why worry about registration when they can easily get information about your browsing history, contacts, credit card purchases, periodical subscriptions, and make a case for a FISA court warrant for your arrest as a terrorist and the seizure of your weapons? If you think you are a threat to their power do you actually think they will overlook you?
He could have resigned, hired a PR agency, called his state reps, testified before congress and been hailed a hero before writing a book and making a movie and becoming a millionaire.
No running to our commited enemies.
Find me a whistle blower that has "disappeared". This is not a Tom Clancy novel.So he could have went to the corrupt government to blow the whistle on the corrupt government? Yea, I'm sure that would have worked out for him. He would have just disappeared.
Find me a whistle blower that has "disappeared". This is not a Tom Clancy novel.
People that disappear don't make the headlines.
If disappearing whislte blowers were an issue, we would know them by now.
I would rather he disappear, then basically defect.
I would like to see much of our federal government be disbanded as well as many of our local yokal police departments.I would rather the NSA be disbanded
I would like to see much of our federal government be disbanded as well as many of our local yokal police departments.
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