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The nonsense of free

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Bernie was out campaigning this weekend. He was blathering all the "fee" stuff like college tuition.

Doesnt that idiot understand NOTHING is free. Someone has to pay. He of course is pandering for votes.

He is a typical democrat, he will raise taxes. The bottom line is he wants to be a fine fellow with YOUR money.
 
Bernie was out campaigning this weekend. He was blathering all the "fee" stuff like college tuition.

Doesnt that idiot understand NOTHING is free. Someone has to pay. He of course is pandering for votes.

He is a typical democrat, he will raise taxes. The bottom line is he wants to be a fine fellow with YOUR money.

Wrong, the best things in life are free.

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But keep telling yourself only Democrats want your money. I'd rather my money goes to pay for someone's education than another tank.
 
Bernie was out campaigning this weekend. He was blathering all the "fee" stuff like college tuition.

Doesnt that idiot understand NOTHING is free. Someone has to pay. He of course is pandering for votes.

He is a typical democrat, he will raise taxes. The bottom line is he wants to be a fine fellow with YOUR money.

Free at point of service
 
Free at point of service

You know every time this 'free stuff' gets brought up by conservatives I ask them, 'how much is it costing you, personally?'. I never get an answer. So, if they don't know it obviously isn't affecting them negatively. So why the whining?
 
Bernie was out campaigning this weekend. He was blathering all the "fee" stuff like college tuition.

Doesnt that idiot understand NOTHING is free. Someone has to pay. He of course is pandering for votes.

He is a typical democrat, he will raise taxes. The bottom line is he wants to be a fine fellow with YOUR money.

Yeah, Trump would never do that. Never go "here's free money" or anything, to rich people, or farmers.
 
It is scary how much conservatives hate education... I guess they like to stay 'poorly educated' so they can continue to blindly follow their god..
 
"Free" education (and healthcare) is a net good to a society, creating a knowledgeable (healthy) citizenry.
 
Bernie was out campaigning this weekend. He was blathering all the "fee" stuff like college tuition.

Doesnt that idiot understand NOTHING is free. Someone has to pay. He of course is pandering for votes.

He is a typical democrat, he will raise taxes. The bottom line is he wants to be a fine fellow with YOUR money.

Well frankly cutting taxes for the rich and putting the cost on the credit card isn't such a good idea either.

and i had much rather see my tax dollars doing good things for the American People instead of spending all this money on the military just to defend the profits of mega-international-corporations
 
Bernie was out campaigning this weekend. He was blathering all the "fee" stuff like college tuition.

Doesnt that idiot understand NOTHING is free. Someone has to pay. He of course is pandering for votes.

He is a typical democrat, he will raise taxes. The bottom line is he wants to be a fine fellow with YOUR money.

There's a tendency among right-wingers to imagine that it will come as a revelation to people on the left that things like state-financed college education are only "free" in the sense that it doesn't come with any direct charge to the recipient of the benefit. But, of course, that actually comes as a revelation to exactly nobody. When politicians speak of these things as "free," it's just a short-hand way of referencing the topic, not an attempt to deceive anyone. Seriously, try to find yourself ANYONE who imagines these things won't have to be paid for, one way or the other. That's simply not a misapprehension that exists outside the world of right-wing paranoid fantasies.

The strong support a wide section of the American populace shows for things like "free college" isn't based on wrongly expecting these things will have no cost. Rather, it's based on an idea that paying for them by way of government will be both more equitable and cheaper. And, of course, they have a lot of basis for those notions, in light of experience in other wealthy nations where, in fact, more extensive government involvement in things like childcare, higher education, and health care consistently results in lower overall per-capita costs, more equitable distribution of costs across the society, and, at least in the case of health care, better outcomes.

Will taxes go up to pay for these things? Yes, probably. But keep in mind that the US currently pays radically low levels of tax relative to every other major wealthy nation. We could hike total taxes by 10 points, relative to GDP, and we'd still be taxed less than the Germans, the French, Scandinavians, Italians, etc. We could hike them by 5 points and still be taxed less than Brits or Canadians. And 5% of GDP is equal to over a trillion dollars per year. So, yes, we can definitely afford "free" college, healthcare, etc., while still remaining a relatively low-tax nation. And, judging by practical experience, the net result of the higher taxes and lower out-of-pocket expenses will be a large net benefit for the large majority of Americans (e.g., for most, the increased taxes most people would pay to finance Medicare-for-all would be far less than the savings they'd experience on healthcare).

So, why do right-wingers continue to whine about this push for these "free" programs? That's easy: that's what they've been ordered to do. Their handlers at the right-wing propaganda outlets have told them to be very upset about these things, and they do what they're told. And why do the right-wing propaganda outlets oppose them? That's easy, too. The right-wing outlets do what the ultra-wealthy want them to do, and although these "free" programs are a net savings for a large majority of Americans, they're a large net increase in cost for the very rich.
 
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Will taxes go up to pay for these things? Yes, probably. But keep in mind that the US currently pays radically low levels of tax relative to every other major wealthy nation. We could hike total taxes by 10 points, relative to GDP, and we'd still be taxed less than the Germans, the French, Scandinavians, Italians, etc

I don't know about you, but I don't want my taxes going up like those other countries!! Bernie's trying to buy votes, just like Dems wanting open borders guarantees them more Dem voters.
I am retired and slowly becoming taxed out of my house, ENOUGH!!
 
Wrong, the best things in life are free.

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But keep telling yourself only Democrats want your money. I'd rather my money goes to pay for someone's education than another tank.

You could make that same argument for pretty much anything, especially if you view our military as too big, or not that necessary or a tool of American aggression or something.

I'd rather my money goes to pay for someone's house than another tank.
I'd rather my money goes to pay for someone's electric car than another tank.
I'd rather my money goes to pay for someone's flat screen TV than another tank.
I'd rather my money goes to pay for someone's abortion than another tank.
I'd rather my money goes to pay for someone's heroin than another tank.
I'd rather my money goes to pay for someone's smart phone than another tank
I'd rather my money goes to pay for someone's vacation than another tank.

Where does it end?

Also nobody talks about a tank being free, though, like vote for me and you’ll get a free tank, so that was kind of the point of the OP.
 
So, why do right-wingers continue to whine about this push for these "free" programs? That's easy: that's what they've been ordered to do. Their handlers at the right-wing propaganda outlets have told them to be very upset about these things, and they do what they're told. And why do the right-wing propaganda outlets oppose them? That's easy, too. The right-wing outlets do what the ultra-wealthy want them to do, and although these "free" programs are a net savings for a large majority of Americans, they're a large net increase in cost for the very rich.

It's like ensuring inequality with policies, like tax cut for the rich. I call it control, how plutocrats use their power by fortifying their position. Why people don't think it that way? Seriously plutocracy is one of the biggest issues in US. Massive inequality is symptom of plutocrats greed. If you're ok with inequality you're dumb or rich.
 
Typical soundbyte argument. When it comes to Sanders, I love how he riles them. It's the logical conclusion of leftist politics pushing back against authoritarian graft by the right.

I had a "debate" with a trump supporter over the weekend. He was trying to say he was upset at the $3,600 a month we pay for immigrants. I asked him how he could make that claim when we give Israel over $10.6m a month.

I find it hysterical that anyone would be "against" Bernie.
 
It's like ensuring inequality with policies, like tax cut for the rich. I call it control, how plutocrats use their power by fortifying their position. Why people don't think it that way? Seriously plutocracy is one of the biggest issues in US. Massive inequality is symptom of plutocrats greed. If you're ok with inequality you're dumb or rich.

Paul Krugman's NYT column, today, deals with a related issue -- how the mainstream press internalizes the policy preferences of the super-rich and dispenses with even the appearance of objectivity around those issues. The specific example he gave was back in 2011, when the rich were focused on cutting deficits and Social Security, even in an economic situation where the large majority of economists counseled that austerity was the last thing we should be doing at that moment. The mainstream press internalized those personal preferences of the plutocrats to the point that even those who were in the supposed role of impartial reporters (rather than opinion writers) were characterizing those policies as the "right thing" to do, instead of what they were: the economically heterodox and self-serving preferences of one small group of people.
 
You know every time this 'free stuff' gets brought up by conservatives I ask them, 'how much is it costing you, personally?'. I never get an answer. So, if they don't know it obviously isn't affecting them negatively. So why the whining?

Where do you think the money comes from?
 
"Free" education (and healthcare) is a net good to a society, creating a knowledgeable (healthy) citizenry.

Generally, it they were both free in this country, they would be substandard at best.
 
You know every time this 'free stuff' gets brought up by conservatives I ask them, 'how much is it costing you, personally?'. I never get an answer. So, if they don't know it obviously isn't affecting them negatively. So why the whining?

That’s answer I expect from 8 year old.

You do know where Federal Dollars come from correct?
 
Great... another debate about the politics of "free" things that are never really free.
 
Ever wonder why people come to the US for healthcare and education?

Americans travel all over the world for healthcare and education
 
You could make that same argument for pretty much anything, especially if you view our military as too big, or not that necessary or a tool of American aggression or something.

I'd rather my money goes to pay for someone's house than another tank.
I'd rather my money goes to pay for someone's electric car than another tank.
I'd rather my money goes to pay for someone's flat screen TV than another tank.
I'd rather my money goes to pay for someone's abortion than another tank.
I'd rather my money goes to pay for someone's heroin than another tank.
I'd rather my money goes to pay for someone's smart phone than another tank
I'd rather my money goes to pay for someone's vacation than another tank.

Where does it end?

Also nobody talks about a tank being free, though, like vote for me and you’ll get a free tank, so that was kind of the point of the OP.

You really going to equate education with TV's and heroin? :lol: That's where the argument fails.
 
Well frankly cutting taxes for the rich and putting the cost on the credit card isn't such a good idea either.

and i had much rather see my tax dollars doing good things for the American People instead of spending all this money on the military just to defend the profits of mega-international-corporations

We could decrease our military spending if we stop fighting wars for other nations. We could also give out a bunch of free stuff if we taxed every American a 25% flat tax on absolutely every source of income. The liberals are running out of rich people to tax so this will have to be done. To cover the extreme liberal list of freebies the liberals want to dole out taxes may have to go as high as 70% to 80% at which point you will have few people with an incentive to work. Good luck with free everything.
 
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