The new face of the Second Amendment?

[haymarket]

Allowing citizens, parents and teachers their constitutional rights will do that better than anything you can devise.

I prefer the proposal of Wayne La Pierre of the NRA. It makes more sense, is more responsible and ensures a trained armed professional to better protect our children.

 

[haymarket]

Who in preference to protecting citizens rights choose to suggest armed guards trained by the NRA. The man is a traitor to his position and constitution.

Your extremism seems to be showing.

 

[haymarket]

Perhaps you would like to consider the period just after Japan's introduction of an arms ban instead.

Sure thing. Present your information.

Not one thing you said in the rest of your post negated my analysis of the dishonest Israeli gun poster. Not one thing.

 

[haymarket]

A trained guard stands out like a sore thumb. You are asking a low wage person to risk his life.

Which of the people who have saved lives in schools was a "trained" guard or equivalent other than possibly a few cops when they did manage to do anything?

Time to put facts on the table. Facts you want to promote as good for our children without proof. Something gun control is very good at LYING

The "low wage" strawman is a creation of your own imagination. As such your post and your argument fails upon it.

 

[haymarket]

That is a lie.

NO - but your reply to me certainly is.

 

[haymarket]

He was very honest and accurate in his assessment.

Its cute how you stick up for each other.

 

[haymarket]

Damned impressive that, as a new member here, you have perfectly assessed the devious, dishonest, and nastiness of the OP.

Excellent lack-of-character analysis, and welcome aboard!

You seem to be intuitive, rational, and reek common sense - which, as you can see, are attributes that make the OP cringe and shake!

Nice job.

And that one was even cuter than the previous one.

 

[jet57]

This is the cowardly underlying dishonesty of the gun cravens.

They say (with a wide-eyed, innocent facial expression) "All we want is COMMON SENSE. All we want are BACKGROUND CHECKS."

What they MEAN is that they want a bureaucratic government agency to have the legitimized power to decide who gets 2nd Amendment rights. Once that is established, that agency can deny more and more citizens with an ever-growing arsenal of restrictions and prohibitions. That same agency will be able to require a "permit" and can make obtaining that permit ever more difficult, and expensive, and time consuming. That same agency could suspend 2nd Amendment privileges should there be any outstanding traffic citations, alimony payments, unpaid taxes, parking fines, overdue library books, whatever. That same agency could require a court order to have privileges restored.

If the poll question were worded "Shall the government bureaucracy have the power to turn the 2nd Amendment right into an agency-regulated privilege?" I am willing to bet the responses would be VERY different.

So then you want felons and people with criminal backgrounds and intent just waltzing into gun stores and coming out with mac9s and anything else they can get their hands on. Oh, don't forget all those armor piercing rounds in case those nasty cops get after them.

Hey, it's their right under the 2nd amendment.

 

[tech30528]

I agree with Thrilla here, just because you can doesn't mean you should. I carry every day (well concealled) and sometimes I'm annoyed when I see open carries that appear to be just to be in your face. Does anyone NEED a 44 Magnum revolver with an 8 inch barrel strapped to their leg in a custom holster (this is a good friend of mine whom I respect deeply but disagree on this matter) for personal defense? Yeah, I get it. You have a right, and so do I. But the real reason I carry is personal safety, not advocacy. I prefer to be much more low key. To each their own I suppose. But the flamboyant AR slung over the back at the mall is the equivalent of the gay couple suing that bakery in Colorado to me. It doesn't help your position or cause to enforce a minority lifestyle on others just because you have the right. I suppose this guy could sue the police now. I hope he doesn't. We need to move away from communities paying lawyer's salaries.

 

[Thrilla]

Facts that go against my agenda? My agenda on this issue is endorsing the plan of NRA official Wayne La Pierre.

yes, going against your agenda of ensuring citizens be unarmed.

 

[haymarket]

yes, going against your agenda of ensuring citizens be unarmed.

Yup - that is number four on my list right after giving the Earth to the Martians, killing everyone who is not over five feet tall and the abolishment of swimming. :roll::lamo

 

[Rearden]

My post and the information in reduced that Israel gun poster to less than the value of useful toilet tissue.

Ummm what?

 

[Rearden]

What part of "shall not be infringed" are you not able to grasp?
Do as you have been instructed and hide under a sturdy desk with a pair of scissors and stay out of the way.

So then you want felons and people with criminal backgrounds and intent just waltzing into gun stores and coming out with mac9s and anything else they can get their hands on. Oh, don't forget all those armor piercing rounds in case those nasty cops get after them.

Hey, it's their right under the 2nd amendment.

 

[Rearden]

As much as Columbine has been used by the anti rights group fact still remains that the killing was stopped by an armed guard. Something that goes unmentioned frequently.
FACT CHECK: Columbine High's armed guard saved student lives - National Republican | Examiner.com

 

[Crimefree]

I agree with Thrilla here, just because you can doesn't mean you should. I carry every day (well concealled) and sometimes I'm annoyed when I see open carries that appear to be just to be in your face. Does anyone NEED a 44 Magnum revolver with an 8 inch barrel strapped to their leg in a custom holster (this is a good friend of mine whom I respect deeply but disagree on this matter) for personal defense? Yeah, I get it. You have a right, and so do I. But the real reason I carry is personal safety, not advocacy. I prefer to be much more low key. To each their own I suppose. But the flamboyant AR slung over the back at the mall is the equivalent of the gay couple suing that bakery in Colorado to me. It doesn't help your position or cause to enforce a minority lifestyle on others just because you have the right. I suppose this guy could sue the police now. I hope he doesn't. We need to move away from communities paying lawyer's salaries.

I know that you are annoyed with people who you see as attracting the wrong attention and that can be used against us. Please consider that by infighting you help nobody and lets be honest. No matter what we do gun control will find fault and use it. Did you consider that trying to appear as the good guy is appeasement for which one is willing to sacrifice people and rights? It is also hoping for the sympathy vote which does not exist.

Unfortunately situations like this bring out the best and worst in people some of whom are frustrated and tired of gun control ruling their lives and removing their rights that they lash out. If you want to blame anyone blame the people who did not defend their rights when gun control started this rubbish and that is the way it will be until we learn not to give away our rights in the first place.

 

[Crimefree]

So then you want felons and people with criminal backgrounds and intent just waltzing into gun stores and coming out with mac9s and anything else they can get their hands on. Oh, don't forget all those armor piercing rounds in case those nasty cops get after them.

Hey, it's their right under the 2nd amendment.

Felons are in prison. What is a person with a criminal back ground? Which shop do criminals buy drugs from or do you not understand that question and the implication to your patently false statement?

Which of gun controls poison teats have you been sucking on? Nothing you have said is factual, rational, logical or reasonable.

 

[AmericanSpartan]

They are NOT a solution to the problem because the idea that a citizen wandering around occasionally from time to time when they have a few spare minutes on school grounds with a firearm is any protection against those who would do evil is going to deter anyone.

Why not teacher then?

 

[Grand Mal]

My thinking on this is this:

If you have a concealed carry license.....then do so...conceal it, instead of getting anti-gun nuts in a tizzy....the always liberal, anti-gun nuts have enough on their plate as it is, being mentally defective and all ........and they can barely cope when gun issues come up.

 

[Crimefree]

I prefer the proposal of Wayne La Pierre of the NRA. It makes more sense, is more responsible and ensures a trained armed professional to better protect our children.

You do not have one shred of evidence of that claim nor have you addressed the loss of rights of parents, citizens and teachers to protect their own children or those they are responsible for.. You have a poorly thought out non-solution that leaves absolutely stupid laws in place created by proven idiots which gave the reason schools are a nutter magnet in place.

Why would you leave the obvious problem of schools being a very soft target and huge attraction to nuts in place?

 

[Crimefree]

Your extremism seems to be showing.

Calling me names, inventing phony positions for me and this personal attack is a very poor substitute for any actual argument on the topic.

Instead of behaving like the class clown why not try to refute what I said?

 

[Crimefree]

My post and the information in reduced that Israel gun poster to less than the value of useful toilet tissue.
Sorry if a post of more than one line tries your powers of concentration. :roll:

Your claims of Israel were shredded. Your powers of concentration and observation of fact have never been in doubt as every post of yours ignores the posters claims in order to attack character rather than add anything useful as demonstrated here.

 

[haymarket]

Ummm what?

go back and read it and it should be obvious to you.

 

[haymarket]

Calling me names, inventing phony positions for me and this personal attack is a very poor substitute for any actual argument on the topic.

Instead of behaving like the class clown why not try to refute what I said?

Personal insults are a very poor substitute for intellectual debate.

 

[haymarket]

Your claims of Israel were shredded. Your powers of concentration and observation of fact have never been in doubt as every post of yours ignores the posters claims in order to attack character rather than add anything useful as demonstrated here.

My claims about the Israeli gun poster were based on pure mathematics. You did not refute them.

 

[haymarket]

You do not have one shred of evidence of that claim nor have you addressed the loss of rights of parents, citizens and teachers to protect their own children or those they are responsible for.. You have a poorly thought out non-solution that leaves absolutely stupid laws in place created by proven idiots which gave the reason schools are a nutter magnet in place.

Why would you leave the obvious problem of schools being a very soft target and huge attraction to nuts in place?

No rights were lost. I advocate the same position that Wayne La Pierre of the NRA advocates.