The new face of the Second Amendment?

[haymarket]

well , as CCW holder are even more law-abiding then police officers are... and are generally very well trained in firearm utilization... I don't see the problem in allowing them to carry on school grounds...
they are not trigger happy bumbling buffoons.

being a full time security employee doesn't inherently make one better suited to do the job when the job needs doin'... it simply means you are being paid, and the other guy, who may be ever more competent, isn't.

Yes -many are extremely competent and I do not take issue that they are law abiding people.

I still support the suggestion of Wayne La Pierre of the NRA. We need trained professionals on duty to protect our kids at school who are there full time as the kids and teachers there. The civilian with a CCW is not the answer and the entire issue is merely a distraction to any real solution.

 

[Thrilla]

Yes -many are extremely competent and I do not take issue that they are law abiding people.

I still support the suggestion of Wayne La Pierre of the NRA. We need trained professionals on duty to protect our kids at school who are there full time as the kids and teachers there. The civilian with a CCW is not the answer and the entire issue is merely a distraction to any real solution.

as I suspected... you're still dead set against law abiding Americans carrying firearms in a manner consistent with established law on school grounds, even as a small contribution to a solution.

so yeah, once again, you find yourself on the wrong side of common sense.... and the Constitution.
or as we like to call it... " just another day at DP"

 

[IB daMann]

Calling me names, inventing phony positions for me and this personal attack is a very poor substitute for any actual argument on the topic.

But I did focus on what you were saying. And that was the typical "you do it too" response.

You apparently have no ability to address the topic. All you appear to be able to do is to misrepresent the positions of others and to EVADE the topic at hand. Oh, and you can whine something fierce.

If one rightfully ignores all of your off-topic babble then it becomes clear that you cannot bring yourself to deny any of what I wrote. Since we apparently agree, and you have nothing to add on this point, we should move on to another point.

 

[AmericanSpartan]

Yes -many are extremely competent and I do not take issue that they are law abiding people.

I still support the suggestion of Wayne La Pierre of the NRA. We need trained professionals on duty to protect our kids at school who are there full time as the kids and teachers there. The civilian with a CCW is not the answer and the entire issue is merely a distraction to any real solution.

Why are they not? You have made no really point on this?

 

[haymarket]

as I suspected... you're still dead set against law abiding Americans carrying firearms in a manner consistent with established law on school grounds, even as a small contribution to a solution.

so yeah, once again, you find yourself on the wrong side of common sense.... and the Constitution.
or as we like to call it... " just another day at DP"

And if the law says the cannot carry on school grounds... that puts me on the side of both the law and common sense.

 

[haymarket]

Why are they not? You have made no really point on this?

They are NOT a solution to the problem because the idea that a citizen wandering around occasionally from time to time when they have a few spare minutes on school grounds with a firearm is any protection against those who would do evil is going to deter anyone.

 

[haymarket]

You apparently have no ability to address the topic. All you appear to be able to do is to misrepresent the positions of others and to EVADE the topic at hand. Oh, and you can whine something fierce.

If one rightfully ignores all of your off-topic babble then it becomes clear that you cannot bring yourself to deny any of what I wrote. Since we apparently agree, and you have nothing to add on this point, we should move on to another point.

You just did it again. More personal attacks on me do not provide you with a position on the issue.

 

[Crimefree]

They are NOT a solution to the problem because the idea that a citizen wandering around occasionally from time to time when they have a few spare minutes on school grounds with a firearm is any protection against those who would do evil is going to deter anyone.

Is this weird scene you have described a product of your imagination? You did not say

It seems highly unlikely anybody would do as you say, do you have any references or a citation for this possible fantasy?

I would urge you to look at just one of of several incidences.

I am going to post it here becasue you will just deny it

The incident began in the morning of October 1, 1997 when Luke Woodham fatally stabbed and bludgeoned his mother, Mary Woodham, as she prepared for a morning jog. At his trial, Woodham claimed that he could not remember killing his mother.

Woodham drove his mother's car to Pearl High School. Wearing a trench coat to hide his rifle when he entered the school, Woodham fatally shot Lydia Kaye Dew and Christina Menefee, his former girlfriend. Woodham went on to wound seven others.[2][3][4][5][6][7]


The school's assistant principal, Joel Myrick, retrieved a .45 caliber semi-automatic pistol from his truck and, spotting him near the parking lot, shouted for Woodham to stop. ~~Wiki

56% of public shootings are over before the police arrive and then all the police do is assess the situation. All except one have taken place in gun free zones. Gun control advocates can be proud of this achievement and take responsibility for it.

Citizens don't wait for the police. Thank God that there are people out there that will risk their lives to save others. Disarming them serves no purpose than to forward the vile agenda of gun control.

 

[haymarket]

Is this weird scene you have described a product of your imagination? You did not say

It seems highly unlikely anybody would do as you say, do you have any references or a citation for this possible fantasy?

I would urge you to look at just one of of several incidences.

I am going to post it here becasue you will just deny it

The incident began in the morning of October 1, 1997 when Luke Woodham fatally stabbed and bludgeoned his mother, Mary Woodham, as she prepared for a morning jog. At his trial, Woodham claimed that he could not remember killing his mother.

Woodham drove his mother's car to Pearl High School. Wearing a trench coat to hide his rifle when he entered the school, Woodham fatally shot Lydia Kaye Dew and Christina Menefee, his former girlfriend. Woodham went on to wound seven others.[2][3][4][5][6][7]


The school's assistant principal, Joel Myrick, retrieved a .45 caliber semi-automatic pistol from his truck and, spotting him near the parking lot, shouted for Woodham to stop. ~~Wiki

56% of public shootings are over before the police arrive and then all the police do is assess the situation. All except one have taken place in gun free zones. Gun control advocates can be proud of this achievement and take responsibility for it.

Citizens don't wait for the police. Thank God that there are people out there that will risk their lives to save others. Disarming them serves no purpose than to forward the vile agenda of gun control.

I honestly have no idea what you are talking about or what it has to do with the post of mine you were pretending to reply to.

The incident you described was NOT some citizen deciding to prowl around school grounds armed. It involved a school official who is there full time - just like the NRA suggested armed professional would be.

 

[Thrilla]

And if the law says the cannot carry on school grounds... that puts me on the side of both the law and common sense.

did you forget about the case you brought up in the OP?... the guy is lawfully carrying on school grounds.

and no, you're not on the side of common sense... you're on the side of irrational fear, despite the facts.... that have been proven time and time again.

it makes absolutely no sense to bar from carrying those whom have long proven to be among our best citizens...

 

[haymarket]

did you forget about the case you brought up in the OP?... the guy is lawfully carrying on school grounds..

So what? That has nothing to do with coming up with a comprehensive plan to protect the children of America at schools.

 

[Thrilla]

So what? That has nothing to do with coming up with a comprehensive plan to protect the children of America at schools.

of course not.... facts that goes against your agenda never count. :roll:

 

[haymarket]

of course not.... facts that goes against your agenda never count. :roll:

Facts that go against my agenda? My agenda on this issue is endorsing the plan of NRA official Wayne La Pierre.

 

[Crimefree]

I honestly have no idea what you are talking about or what it has to do with the post of mine you were pretending to reply to.

The incident you described was NOT some citizen deciding to prowl around school grounds armed. It involved a school official who is there full time - just like the NRA suggested armed professional would be.

The NRA is greedy and nuts and wants to make money training guards out of it. Your point is?

You are attempting to deflect with irrelevant trivia typical of your non-answers and avoidance of what you find inconvenient. It's just a suggestion but you might find it is better to tell the truth and not make up rubbish to suit your agenda.

You made a statement and were asked directly for a reference or citation which you chose to attempt to deflect from showing your fear-mongering BS. Thus it is obviously a figment of your fear filled imagination. Thanks for playing but you have been found out.

I said it was one of many. Citizens don't just wander into school grounds carrying a gun becasue the gun control idiots and abysmal excuses for human beings have made that a crime. Your crap is so full of BS you are going to need a great deal of polish to make it look like anything worth taking notice of.

FACT 56% of such shootings the cops do not even arrive before it is finished. When they get there they are not effective in preventing more deaths. Armed citizens or otherwise and staff save more lives than the cops do because they are already at the scene. It's not rocket science for most.

 

[Rearden]

So you didnt find it interesting is what you are saying. You seem a bit long winded at times.

One can also point to Japan and ask how many school shooting deaths they have had over that same ten year period of time. Are you willing to embrace their gun policies also?

I only ask to show the folly of comparing the Israeli policies to ours since they are a totally different culture - as are the Japanese - compared to the USA.

I would also point out that Israel has a population of over 8 million people. Ours is over 35 times larger. So if we take than number of Israel school children shot and killed of 8 and then adjust it proportionately to equal the US population - the figure would be around 280.

A poster that openly indicts and mocks the other side for being "stupid" but overlooks those basic facts - seems to be using a very poor choice of words.

 

[Crimefree]

So what? That has nothing to do with coming up with a comprehensive plan to protect the children of America at schools.

Allowing citizens, parents and teachers their constitutional rights will do that better than anything you can devise.

 

[Crimefree]

Facts that go against my agenda? My agenda on this issue is endorsing the plan of NRA official Wayne La Pierre.

Who in preference to protecting citizens rights choose to suggest armed guards trained by the NRA. The man is a traitor to his position and constitution.

 

[Crimefree]

One can also point to Japan and ask how many school shooting deaths they have had over that same ten year period of time. Are you willing to embrace their gun policies also?

I only ask to show the folly of comparing the Israeli policies to ours since they are a totally different culture - as are the Japanese - compared to the USA.

I would also point out that Israel has a population of over 8 million people. Ours is over 35 times larger. So if we take than number of Israel school children shot and killed of 8 and then adjust it proportionately to equal the US population - the figure would be around 280.

A poster that openly indicts and mocks the other side for being "stupid" but overlooks those basic facts - seems to be using a very poor choice of words.

Perhaps you would like to consider the period just after Japan's introduction of an arms ban instead. Would that be fair to you or are you now going to ignore or find some paltry excuse?

Israel is at war with terrorists on its boarders and within with multiple daily attacks. What armed schools have done is deter completely or almost completely school attacks. You seem to forget 911 very quickly. Just one attack. Your removal of vital facts is typical of your responses.

OK I see your point how about mine?

It is is clever to disarm the victims of crime.

It is clever to turn schools and other areas in to safe shooting galleries with live targets for nuts.\

What basic facts have been over looked?

Who would do such things clever people or idiots?

 

[Crimefree]

Yes -many are extremely competent and I do not take issue that they are law abiding people.

I still support the suggestion of Wayne La Pierre of the NRA. We need trained professionals on duty to protect our kids at school who are there full time as the kids and teachers there. The civilian with a CCW is not the answer and the entire issue is merely a distraction to any real solution.

A trained guard stands out like a sore thumb. You are asking a low wage person to risk his life.

Which of the people who have saved lives in schools was a "trained" guard or equivalent other than possibly a few cops when they did manage to do anything?

Time to put facts on the table. Facts you want to promote as good for our children without proof. Something gun control is very good at LYING

 

[Crimefree]

It seems politicians in Israel are considerably smarter than the American politicians. I wonder how long an Israeli politician would have lasted had he proposed a schools gun free zone. Is there a lesson in that?

 

[SMTA]

Facts that go against my agenda? My agenda on this issue is endorsing the plan of NRA official Wayne La Pierre.

That is a lie.

 

[SMTA]

Calling me names, inventing phony positions for me and this personal attack is a very poor substitute for any actual argument on the topic.

He was very honest and accurate in his assessment.

 

[SMTA]

You apparently have no ability to address the topic. All you appear to be able to do is to misrepresent the positions of others and to EVADE the topic at hand. Oh, and you can whine something fierce.

If one rightfully ignores all of your off-topic babble then it becomes clear that you cannot bring yourself to deny any of what I wrote. Since we apparently agree, and you have nothing to add on this point, we should move on to another point.

Damned impressive that, as a new member here, you have perfectly assessed the devious, dishonest, and nastiness of the OP.

Excellent lack-of-character analysis, and welcome aboard!

You seem to be intuitive, rational, and reek common sense - which, as you can see, are attributes that make the OP cringe and shake!

Nice job.

 

[Jack Hays]

Gun industry's helping hand triggers a surge in college shooting teams


The clubs are thriving at a diverse range of schools - Harvard, Maryland, Yale, George Mason and MIT - and leading some students to change their perceptions about guns.

CAMBRIDGE, Mass. — In between completing problem sets, writing code, organizing hackathons, worrying about internships and building solar cars,a group of MIT students make their way to the athletic center, where they stand side-by-side, load their guns and fire away.
They are majoring in biological engineering, brain and cognitive sciences, aeronautics, mechanical engineering, computer science and nuclear science. Before arriving at MIT, nearly all of them had never touched a gun or even seen one that wasn’t on TV.
“Which is strange because I’m from Texas,” said Nick McCoy, wearing a *T-shirt advertising his dorm and getting ready to shoot.
McCoy is one of the brainiacs on MIT’s pistol and rifle teams, which, like other college shooting teams, have benefited from the largesse of gun industry money and become so popular that they often turn students away. Teams are thriving at a diverse range of schools: Yale, Harvard, the University of Maryland, George *Mason University, and even smaller schools such as Slippery Rock University in Pennsylvania and Connors State College in Oklahoma.
“We literally have way more students interested than we can handle,” said Steve Goldstein, one of MIT’s pistol coaches. . . .

 

[haymarket]

So you didnt find it interesting is what you are saying. You seem a bit long winded at times.

My post and the information in reduced that Israel gun poster to less than the value of useful toilet tissue.
Sorry if a post of more than one line tries your powers of concentration. :roll: